Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[covenantee]

[Act 18:4 KJV] 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Greeks were Gentiles.

 

[WPM]

It is the same.

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diathēkēs
διαθήκης ,
covenant
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"Definition: Covenant, Testament"

He does not want to know the truth. You already showed him the truth. He avoided it and kept repeating his error.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

the gospel of the kingdom

There it is. You believe in more than one gospel which explains a lot of why you have no understanding of scripture. There is only one gospel. Teaching any other gospel is forbidden.

2 Corinthians 11:1 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Any other gospel but the one gospel "is really no gospel at all". In regards to anyone preaching a gospel other than the one gospel "let them be under God's curse!". As Paul said "Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ".

the new testament not the new covenant.......the new covenant is future.......the sacrifices will resume in the millennial kingdom

The new testament is the new covenant. There will be no sacrifices in an imaginary future millennial kingdom because Jesus Christ made animal sacrifices permanently obsolete with His once for all sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were only done for the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1) and would serve no purpose in the future except to be an insult to Christ's once for all sacrifice.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Act 18:4 KJV] 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

The Greeks were Gentiles. Any time you say a reference to the Jews and the Greeks it's the same as referring to the Jews and the Gentiles. You prove over and over again that you will go to any length to deny the truth. Have you no shame?

I really wish this was just some game you were playing with us, pretending to have no discernment at all, but I don't think that's the case.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He does not want to know the truth. You already showed him the truth. He avoided it and kept repeating his error.

Yes, it is very clear at this point, and has been clear for awhile already, that he is not interested in truth but instead is interested in believing whatever he wants to believe.

 

[Doug]

Yes!

astounding .......that would mean he was loosed a thousand years ago.........[Rev 20:7 KJV] 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,......we should be in the new heavens and earth

 

[Doug]

Why not? The only criteria Paul gives for being a spiritual Jew is to have been spiritually circumcised and all believers, Jew and Gentile, have been spiritually circumcised. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

That circumvents the fact that Israel is fallen

 

[Doug]

Yes. Now will you stop avoiding text after text that is presented to you that forbids your error and admit you are wrong?

That would refute that Israel is fallen if we are the real Israel

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

astounding .......that would mean he was loosed a thousand years ago.........[Rev 20:7 KJV] 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,......we should be in the new heavens and earth

It's not a literal thousand years. Jesus begins to reign at the beginning of the thousand years, right? He started reigning long ago after His resurrection.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

If you can't understand how Satan could have been bound long ago, please tell me how you interpret this passage...

Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

In case you're not aware, "Beelzebub" is another name for Satan. The Pharisees questioned how Jesus was able to cast out devils (demons) and thought he was doing it by the power of Beelzebub/Satan. But, Jesus pointed out how that made no sense because if Satan, the prince of the devils, was casting out devils, then he would be divided against himself and his kingdom could not stand. Then Jesus explained that He cast out devils by the power of the Spirit of God and that was evidence of the kingdom of God coming unto them.

Jesus then asked how one could enter a strong man's house, and spoil his goods without first binding the strong man and then spoiling his house. The context of this passage indicates that Satan was the strong man that Jesus was talking about and Jesus was saying that in order to spoil his goods, which represented people who were possessed by demons and were influenced by Satan, He had to first bind the strong man (Satan) and then He would spoil his house (this evil world that Satan had previously had control of before Christ came).

So, Jesus talked about binding Satan long ago and He did so by way of His death, resurrection and the preaching of the gospel in the power of His Spirit. By his death he took the power of death away from Satan and set many people free who were previously help captive by the fear of death.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

After His death and resurrection, Jesus then held the keys of death and hell (Hades) that Satan previously held because He bound Satan.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That circumvents the fact that Israel is fallen

What do you mean? How does this address my having said "The only criteria Paul gives for being a spiritual Jew is to have been spiritually circumcised and all believers, Jew and Gentile, have been spiritually circumcised."?

Why are you so evasive? Why can't you answer simple questions and address simple points?

 

[Doug]

There was not. Why do you always try to find a way around the truth? Are you not interested in believing in the truth?

I just posted this......two churches .....one already there when Paul journeyd there and the church he established
When Paul went to Ephesus there were disciples there (Acts 19:1) He had not yet established the church at Ephesus. The disciples he met there were disciples of John and were baptized with John's baptism (Acts 19:2). Paul went into the synagogue to preach Christ (Acts 18:19 19:8); Paul would expound John's baptism more fully, that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God (Acts 9:20 9:22 18:26). This church of believing Jews was probably established upon being scattered into Asia (1 Peter 1:1) and was more than likely the church John sent his letter to in Revelations 2:1, not the church Paul established

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[Doug]

Why is that different? How is someone made a new creature in Christ in the body of Christ? By faith in Christ, right? How is someone grafted into Israel? By faith in Christ, right? So, what is the difference? You're not understanding that the olive tree analogy reflects salvation and being made part of the body of Christ.

Both are in Christ but there is a difference in dispensations.......in this dispensation God is forming the body of Christ.......before in a different dispensation God was forming the remnant of Israel....we cant be grafted into the remnant since God is not operating that way

 

[Doug]

It sounds like you are an Antinomianist. You are an advocate for lawlessness. There are no demands of Christ that we must keep. There are no relevant commands of God. You can just do your own thing.

[Rom 6:2 KJV] 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I just posted this......two churches .....one already there when Paul journeyd there and the church he established
When Paul went to Ephesus there were disciples there (Acts 19:1) He had not yet established the church at Ephesus. The disciples he met there were disciples of John and were baptized with John's baptism (Acts 19:2). Paul went into the synagogue to preach Christ (Acts 18:19 19:8); Paul would expound John's baptism more fully, that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God (Acts 9:20 9:22 18:26). This church of believing Jews was probably established upon being scattered into Asia (1 Peter 1:1) and was more than likely the church John sent his letter to in Revelations 2:1, not the church Paul established

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Good grief, man. Are you even trying? What evidence do you have that there was a church in Ephesus besides the one that Paul wrote the letter of Ephesians to, which undeniably addressed both Jew and Gentile believers? What evidence do you have that the church in Ephesus being addressed in the book of Revelation was some other church than the one Paul wrote to? Do you have any? What you showed here is not evidence of that, so is this all you have?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Both are in Christ but there is a difference in dispensations.......in this dispensation God is forming the body of Christ.......before in a different dispensation God was forming the remnant of Israel....we cant be grafted into the remnant since God is not operating that way

What?! Paul is not talking about a different dispensation in Romans 11 than he talks about in Ephesians 2:11-22. He was talking about the early church in both cases that was comprised of both Jew and Gentile believers. Where do you com up with this nonsense?

Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). I keep telling you to do this. Have you ever done it?

 

[WPM]

Good grief, man. Are you even trying? What evidence do you have that there was a church in Ephesus besides the one that Paul wrote the letter of Ephesians to, which undeniably addressed both Jew and Gentile believers? What evidence do you have that the church in Ephesus being addressed in the book of Revelation was some other church than the one Paul wrote to? Do you have any? What you showed here is not evidence of that, so is this all you have?

He doesn't need evidence for anything. What he thinks in his head is enough. Talk about crazy hermeneutics.

There are countless arguments above that he has sidestepped. He has to because he has got no answers anymore.

His doctrine is in tatters.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is the kind of "proof" we are refuting in this thread.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He doesn't need evidence for anything. What he thinks in his head is enough. Talk about crazy hermeneutics.

There are countless arguments above that he has sidestepped. He has to stop he has got no answers anymore.

I'm not sure why I'm still replying to his nonsense. It's not as if I'm concerned that anyone else will be deceived by it, so what's the point? I think I'm close to being done with him.

 

[Doug]

What do you mean "before Paul"? Are they saved some other way after Paul?


You don't think that Gentiles are born of God by believing Jesus is the Christ, also?


What does this mean? They were saved by believing the same gospel that the rest of saved Gentiles have believed ever since.


What in the world are you talking about here? No one has to keep the law anymore.

What do you mean "before Paul"? Are they saved some other way after Paul?

Jews only had to believe in the name of Christ for eternal life

You don't think that Gentiles are born of God by believing Jesus is the Christ, also?

which Gentiles? Gentiles before Paul had to believe Jesus was Christ ...........Gentiles after Paul had to believe that but not for eternal life we have to believe Paul's gospel

What does this mean? They were saved by believing the same gospel that the rest of saved Gentiles have believed ever since.

I dont recall any scripture about Gentiles being saved in Acts........they were saved by believing on the name of Christ

What in the world are you talking about here? No one has to keep the law anymore.

talking about Acts 15

 

[Doug]

Gentile believers are, yes. That is taught in passages like Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-22 and Galatians 6:15-16.


If you are grafted into Israel does that not make you part of Israel?

If you are grafted into Israel does that not make you part of Israel?

we arent grafted into Israel Paul was talking about Gentiles who believed Peter in Acts 10