Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

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WPM

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Yes.......Paul's gospel

So Israel is in all the promised land and are all obeying the law and there is a temple and temple sacrifices because that's what God says about the new covenant
the only change in the law as I see it is to make Christ a priest after the order of Melchizedek and not Levites

Paul makes there no Jew or Gentile but a new creature
Did you ever consider that God was reconciling the heavens and earth and Israel was purposed to reconcile the land and the body of Christ will reconcile the heavens and in the future will all be one under Christ
You contradict the Word at every turn. There is one Gospel. That Gospel is personal to each believer - including Paul. The Old Testament Scriptures predicted the Messiah from the Garden. The LORD said in Genesis 3:15: “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the power of sin over the penitent sinner. Jesus made a way of escape for us. He didn’t leave Adam and Eve – our first parents – naked, hopeless and condemned. No. But by a gracious act of mercy He created a way of escape.

Paul, in Galatians 3:8-9, shows that Abraham was saved through the same inspired Gospel as we are today. It was the good news of salvation, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. It says: “the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”

The same glorious Gospel runs from the Old to the New Testament. It involves one ongoing progressive harmonious revelation of the person and work of Christ. He is man’s only redeemer. He is man’s only hope. Notwithstanding, the Old Testament saints were looking at our Savior from a more obscure perspective, and their revelation of Him was more veiled than that of the new covenant saints. However, they embraced the same overriding life-changing message.

The old covenant saints were looking forward with anticipation to Christ’s earthly assignment on man’s behalf, while the new covenant Christian is looking back to His victorious earthly ministry. Salvation came in both testaments through the enlightening power of the Gospel. We see in this passage that it the glad tiding of good news that we enjoy today was proclaimed to Abraham and he embraced it by faith.

Repeated Scripture shows the continuity between the old covenant Gospel message and the new covenant Gospel message. It also shows the harmony between the people of God in the Old Testament and the people of God in the New Testament.

1 Peter 4:4-6, “they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

Previous generations have heard the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that had eye to see embraced Him, those that were blind rejected Him. There is one Gospel that has gradually developed through clearer revelation. All the truth we find in the New Testament can normally be found in the Old Testament, albeit sometimes veiled. This not does in any way suggest 2 Gospels. There is only one Gospel, one faith, one overall covenant of grace, one election and one salvation.

Hebrews 3:17-19 4:1-2: “with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.”

The writer to the Hebrews is here showing us that the Gospel was indeed preached onto natural Israel in the Old Testament. This is the same Gospel that we have today. This Gospel produced the same fruit then, in those that got it, as it does in us today. Those who rejected that liberating message back then faced the same awful consequences as those who do the same today. The Gospel in essentially the good news of Jesus Christ. He is man’s only Savior. He is man’s only hope. The Old Testament saints looked forward by faith to His appearing. We today look back and rejoice in His appearing 2000 years ago.
 

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Yes but it cant be said that we are spiritual Jews
Why not? The only criteria Paul gives for being a spiritual Jew is to have been spiritually circumcised and all believers, Jew and Gentile, have been spiritually circumcised. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).
 

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I showed you otherwise and you totally avoided it. You have to. It forbids what your teachers have misled you with. This is becoming a pattern with you.

I refer you back to my last post that exposes everything you are pushing.
He didn't address one single word of your post. He just makes claims that he can't back up and doesn't even attempt to back up. It's unbelievable.
 
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Are you saying you are a spiritual Jew?
Romans 2 was talking about Jews..........................[Rom 2:17, 25 KJV] 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, ... 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Yes. Now will you stop avoiding text after text that is presented to you that forbids your error and admit you are wrong?
 

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He didn't address one single word of your post. He just makes claims that he can't back up and doesn't even attempt to back up. It's unbelievable.
He is all over the place. You will notice, he has no answer to the sacred text. All we have is his personal imaginations - and he expects us to embrace that???
 
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I assume you are a Gentile. You don't believe that you are grafted in (joined together) with believing Jews in the one body of Christ?

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
I assume you are a Gentile. You don't believe that you are grafted in (joined together) with believing Jews in the one body of Christ?
I believe Jew and Gentile are a new creature in Christ in the body of Christ....thats different than saying we are grafted into Israel
 

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Is there any other gospel?


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You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The new covenant was established by the blood of Christ and made the temple sacrifices obsolete. Read Hebrews 8-10!


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Is there any other gospel?
the gospel of the kingdom
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The new covenant was established by the blood of Christ and made the temple sacrifices obsolete. Read Hebrews 8-10!
the new testament not the new covenant.......the new covenant is future.......the sacrifices will resume in the millennial kingdom
 

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There were Gentile believers who had been living in Israel and were scattered throughout those areas as well. Cornelius and the members of his family are examples of Gentiles who lived in Israel back then.
That there were Gentiles does not change the fact that Peter wrote to the believing remnant of Israel.....the Gentiles were part of the remnant (Acts 10:45)
 

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Please look at the passage carefully. Is it talking only about the physical seed of Abraham or also about the spiritual seed of Abraham?

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

What do you think it means when it says "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"? What does it mean when it says "Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children"? What does it mean when it says "it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring"?
originally you were saying Gentiles were also the Israel of God......Gentiles in the remnant were still Gentiles but were grafted into Israel
 

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Why did you not answer my questions? Are you just too busy to read scripture and what anyone here says carefully?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

So, you are saying that what is written here does not apply to Gentiles? Are Gentiles not born of God by way of their faith in Jesus? We can't know that Gentiles love the children of God when we love God and keep His commandments? Do Gentile believers not overcome the world by way of their faith in Jesus?
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This is how Jews were saved before Paul
This is what 1 John is saying as well
the only Gentiles I know were saved by Peter was in acts 10:45 and in Acts 15 the council decided they did have to keep the law
 

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I believe Jew and Gentile are a new creature in Christ in the body of Christ....thats different than saying we are grafted into Israel
Why is that different? How is someone made a new creature in Christ in the body of Christ? By faith in Christ, right? How is someone grafted into Israel? By faith in Christ, right? So, what is the difference? You're not understanding that the olive tree analogy reflects salvation and being made part of the body of Christ.
 

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Are you talking about Acts 15? if you are they determined not to put the Gentiles under the law.....................[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
It sounds like you are an Antinomianist. You are an advocate for lawlessness. There are no demands of Christ that we must keep. There are no relevant commands of God. You can just do your own thing.
 

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[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This is how Jews were saved before Paul
What do you mean "before Paul"? Are they saved some other way after Paul?

This is what 1 John is saying as well
You don't think that Gentiles are born of God by believing Jesus is the Christ, also?

the only Gentiles I know were saved by Peter was in acts 10:45
What does this mean? They were saved by believing the same gospel that the rest of saved Gentiles have believed ever since.

and in Acts 15 the council decided they did have to keep the law
What in the world are you talking about here? No one has to keep the law anymore.
 

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originally you were saying Gentiles were also the Israel of God......Gentiles in the remnant were still Gentiles but were grafted into Israel
It is clear that you are incapable of addressing Scripture and counter arguments. All you have now is your evasive short soundbites. I suspect you know that you have no answer to the Book, and that your teachers have deceived you.
 
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originally you were saying Gentiles were also the Israel of God.
Gentile believers are, yes. That is taught in passages like Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-22 and Galatians 6:15-16.

.....Gentiles in the remnant were still Gentiles but were grafted into Israel
If you are grafted into Israel does that not make you part of Israel?
 

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It is clear that you are incapable of addressing Scripture and counter arguments. All you have now is your evasive short soundbites. I suspect you know that you have no answer to the Book, and that your teachers have deceived you.
Right. It's impossible to get a straightforward answer from this guy. He is very evasive. He has something to hide, apparently. Which must be that he knows deep down what we're saying is true but is too stubborn to acknowledge it.
 
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originally you were saying Gentiles were also the Israel of God......Gentiles in the remnant were still Gentiles but were grafted into Israel
Our racial status carries no merit with God. Galatians 6:15-16 reinforces that, saying, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule (namely, a non-physical, non-racial spiritual new birth experience), peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”

The elect of God are here called the “Israel of God.” This title identifies God’s people and differentiates between spiritual Israel – those born again) and natural Israel after the flesh. One’s birthplace, birthdate, stock, colour or surname can never produce “a new creature.” Christ made it clear in John 3:6,That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

The “Israel of God” is therefore the people of God of all nations, of every kindred colour and kind who have placed their trust in Christ in the new birth – it is they alone that are citizens of this spiritual nation. The teaching of the narrative completely negates the idea that God has two distinct peoples today, namely Jew and Gentile. Paul is unquestionably speaking on the crucial matter of salvation. He is plainly saying that one’s race has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. The only thing essential for salvation is the new birth – becoming “a new creature” in Christ. Yeah
 

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That there were Gentiles does not change the fact that Peter wrote to the believing remnant of Israel.....the Gentiles were part of the remnant (Acts 10:45)
You are yet to prove that. We have exposed that claim, but you ducked around that (again). What are you scared of? Nothing is ever settled with you. I am noticing your MO:
  • You make a claim.
  • You fail to support it with Scripture.
  • When real Scripture is brought to the table and your argument is exposed as erroneous you avoid it.
  • You then re-make a claim.
  • You again fail to support it with Scripture.
  • When real Scripture is brought to the table you avoid it.
  • You then re-make a claim.
  • You again fail to support it with Scripture.
  • When real Scripture is brought to the table you avoid it...
 
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