Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

The animal sacrifices will not be for their sake.

Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went.​

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The Israelites living at that time will each believe in Jesus Christ as both Lord and Savior and accept the death of Jesus as the propitiation for their sins. But God wishes to prove the holiness of his name among the Israelites in the sight of the nations. The sacrifices will be performed for the sake of righteousness and to prove the holiness of his name.

Are you unable to answer simple questions with simple answers? I asked if you base your belief in future animal sacrifices partly on Ezekiel 45:15-17? Yes or no? It seems that your answer is yes, but how hard is it to just say yes or no?

The sacrifices being for their sake or not is completely besides the point. It talks about them being for reconciliation. Why would they need that or why would God want that when Christ's sacrifice already provided that for them? You are doing nothing to show why future animal sacrifices would be desired by God. Why would He desire them in light of what it says here...

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

You don't seem to understand that Christ's sacrifice accomplishes everything that you think animal sacrifices will accomplish in the future. And, you think that God will reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings despite saying He doesn't want them and takes no pleasure in them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I understand. But surely you know that Amillennialism rejects the notion of a literal thousand-year period in which Christ rules the world from Jerusalem, as the prophets say.

Amillennialism is a Christian eschatological perspective that interprets the "thousand-year reign" mentioned in Revelation 20 symbolically rather than literally.

Why in the world did you think you needed to explain this to me, an Amillennialist?

Unlike premillennialism, which expects a future, physical millennium, or postmillennialism, which envisions a golden age of Christianity before Christ's return, amillennialists believe the millennium is a symbolic representation of Christ's current reign in heaven and through the church on earth.

Of course. Do you just enjoy wasting your time telling people things that they obviously already know?

This view holds that the kingdom of God was inaugurated with Christ's first coming and will continue until His second coming, at which point the final judgment and the establishment of the new heavens and new earth will occur. It emphasizes the spiritual reality of Christ's victory over sin and death and interprets much of biblical prophecy in a non-literal or figurative way.

My mind is just boggled. Do you actually think I don't already know all of this?

Do you maintain that Christ fulfilled all the OT prophecies or no?

No, I don't. Only the OT prophecies that were specifically about Him. Do you accept what Jesus Himself said about that or not?

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

I shouldn't have to do this, but I know that you need things spelled out to you, so let me make something clear here. By saying what I said above, I am not saying that I'm a full preterist or even a partial preterist. I believe in His future visible, bodily return and the future resurrection of the dead and judgment of all people and other things that haven't happened yet or that happened after Jesus said what He did in Luke 24:44.

There are no OT prophecies which refer specifically to His future second coming like the NT does. There are OT prophecies that speak about the resurrection of the dead and the judgment and so on, but never in direct relation to His second coming. So, by saying that Christ fulfilled the OT prophecies made about Him, I'm not saying the prophecies that were made about things that we now know relate directly to His second coming, like the resurrection of the dead, have all been fulfilled.

 

[Scott Downey]

It is really horrible idea and doctrine to think God is rejecting the New Covenant in the future to go back to temple sacrifices for sin, which was the old covenant. God does not look back to redo what He undid, that has passed away, God moved on, and it is obsoleted.

And this millennial reign on a fallen earth is also so carnally minded, is definitely not spiritually minded.
You know flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God correct?
So when this happens,

Reve 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

The people who inherit that, will not be flesh and blood or scripture would be broken. And when does this change happen? When Christ returns all flesh shall be changed from flesh and blood. This idea of a 1000 years reign after Christ returns, with marriages, and babies born, and Christ still striving with flesh and blood unbelievers is all fleshly carnal nonsense doctrines, only worthy of a fiction adventure movie.

1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[Scott Downey]

We are changed at His appearing and kingdom
The dead shall be raised incorruptible with the sound of the trumpet of God

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming​

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is really horrible idea and doctrine to think God is rejecting the New Covenant in the future to go back to temple sacrifices for sin, which was the old covenant. God does not look back to redo what He undid, that has passed away, God moved on, and it is obsoleted.

And this millennial reign on a fallen earth is also so carnally minded, is definitely not spiritually minded.
You know flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God correct?
So when this happens,

Reve 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

The people who inherit that, will not be flesh and blood or scripture would be broken. And when does this change happen? When Christ returns all flesh shall be changed from flesh and blood. This idea of a 1000 years reign after Christ returns, with marriages, and babies born, and Christ still striving with flesh and blood unbelievers is all fleshly carnal nonsense doctrines, only worthy of a fiction adventure movie.

1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

Exactly. Premills contradict 1 Corinthians 15:50 by having mortal flesh and blood people inheriting the kingdom of God because that is how they interpret this passage:

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[CadyandZoe]

None of that says anything about animal sacrifices ever being reinstated in the future. I believe your argument is extremely weak and does not take into account many other scriptures, including Hebrews 8-10 which says that Jesus made animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete forever by way of His "once for all" sacrifice.

In Hebrews 8, Paul focuses on the Day of Atonement sacrifice specifically. As he puts it, the change of law involved a change of High Priest. Ezekiel doesn't say that the prince will celebrate the Day of Atonement, does he? I don't think Israel will celebrate the Day of Atonement because that is no longer necessary.

It is made clear that animal sacrifices and offerings served the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1), so they already served their purpose. To think they will be reinstated again is a total insult to Christ's sacrifice and contradicts the purpose of animal sacrifices according to scripture itself. So, the scenario you believe in is completely made up only in your imagination and is not taught in scripture.

As I say, you dismiss the passages that don't fit into your paradigm.

 

[Scott Downey]

Exactly. Premills contradict 1 Corinthians 15:50 by having mortal flesh and blood people inheriting the kingdom of God because that is how they interpret this passage:

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

They sure do. But at that judgement these of the nations are not flesh and blood at this time. As this happens at Christ's appearing when we are changed, and all are judged. Since the wicked and the righteous each are going to their respective destinies, it must happen after the resurrection of the wicked and the good, the just and the unjust, or scripture again is broken.

And the judgement is on the last day, at his appearing and kingdom

2 Timothy 4:1

KJ21
I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His Kingdom:
ASV
I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
AMP
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
AMPC
I charge [you] in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom:
BRG
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
CSB
I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the living and the dead, and because of his appearing and his kingdom:
CEB
I’m giving you this commission in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is coming to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearance and his kingdom.
CJB
I solemnly charge you before God and the Messiah Yeshua, who will judge the living and the dead when he appears and establishes his Kingdom:
CEV
When Christ Jesus comes as king, he will be the judge of everyone, whether they are living or dead. So with God and Christ as witnesses, I command you
DARBY
I testify before God and Christ Jesus, who is about to judge living and dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom,
DLNT
I solemnly-charge you in the sight of God and Christ Jesus, the One going-to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearance and His kingdom—
DRA
I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom:
ERV
Before God and Jesus Christ, I give you a command. Christ Jesus is the one who will judge all people—those who are living and those who have died. He is coming again to rule in his kingdom. So I give you this command:
EASY
Timothy, I tell you this seriously, as God and Christ Jesus see everything that we do. When Christ Jesus comes to rule as king, he will judge everyone. He will judge the people who are alive and also those who have already died. When he appears, he will decide what should happen to them all. So I tell you this now:

 

[CadyandZoe]

Are you unable to answer simple questions with simple answers? I asked if you base your belief in future animal sacrifices partly on Ezekiel 45:15-17? Yes or no? It seems that your answer is yes, but how hard is it to just say yes or no?

I don't answer Yes or No questions. No one who loves the truth will do so.

You don't seem to understand that Christ's sacrifice accomplishes everything that you think animal sacrifices will accomplish in the future.

God has yet to prove the holiness of his name among the Israelites in sight of the nations.

And, you think that God will reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings despite saying He doesn't want them and takes no pleasure in them.

The context for that statement is the opening of the book of Isaiah, where God complained that Israel was evil in heart and deed. During the Millennial Period, according to the Prophets, God will give the Israelites a new heart and a new spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I say, you dismiss the passages that don't fit into your paradigm.

Wrong. I don't dismiss any passages. I interpret them differently than you do, obviously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't answer Yes or No questions. No one who loves the truth will do so.

LOL. Ridiculous.

God has yet to prove the holiness of his name among the Israelites in sight of the nations.

The context for that statement is the opening of the book of Isaiah, where God complained that Israel was evil in heart and deed. During the Millennial Period, according to the Prophets, God will give the Israelites a new heart and a new spirit.

God has already given many Israelites a new heart and a new spirit in the past almost 2,000 years. You're out of touch with reality.

 

[Scott Downey]

The resurrection happens on the Last Day as does the judgement and all people are resurrected at the same time, good and bad alike.

Daniel 12 also says the same thing

John 5

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice

29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

John 12

47 And if anyone hears My words and does not [a]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

Daniel 12

“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting [a]contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

I keep saying this and maybe it will firmly lodge itself into people's consciousness.

 

[Scott Downey]

About Daniel and shining like the stars, Jesus says this about the harvest of souls.
This happens to both the good and bad together on the Last Day of the world.
The harvest at the end of the age (world) is the day where tare and wheat are gathered and separated by the angels into two groups, then comes the judgement. Members of each group are present. There is no harvest of wheat separate from tares at different times. The both grow together until the harvest.

The Parable of the Tares Explained​

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why in the world did you think you needed to explain this to me, an Amillennialist?

If you hold the belief, and it seems you do, that a significant portion of biblical prophecy should be understood in a non-literal or figurative manner, then we encounter a fundamental issue. The challenge lies in how one can appropriately engage in metaphorical or figurative interpretation if there is no clear understanding of the analogies being employed. Without a grasp of the underlying concepts or images that serve as points of comparison, the richness and depth of such interpretations may be lost, leading to confusion or misinterpretation of the texts in question.

The primary role of a prophet in Israelite tradition is to offer hope and direction to the people in anticipation of challenging times ahead. These prophets, chosen for their unique connection to the divine, provide predictions regarding future events and outcomes that stem from profound spiritual insight. Their messages are crafted in a way that resonates with those who will face the impending struggles, ensuring that the essence of their guidance is grasped by the audience during their trials.

While the prophecies may not unfold in meticulously detailed narratives akin to a cinematic portrayal, the symbolic language and imagery used by the prophets are designed to evoke recognition and understanding. Those who endure the hardships foretold will ultimately derive meaning and clarity from the messages, often experiencing a sense of reassurance and purpose despite the turmoil. Thus, the prophetic words serve not only as a forewarning but also as a source of strength and resilience for the people of Israel.

Of course. Do you just enjoy wasting your time telling people things that they obviously already know?

Do you accept this notion purely by faith, relying on what others have conveyed to you? Or have you taken the initiative to examine and validate your beliefs against the prophetic messages found in scripture? It would be reasonable to expect that someone with a critical and objective mindset would not assert that all the prophecies from the Old Testament have found their fulfillment in Christ. This perspective might align more closely with individuals who employ allegorical interpretation, analogical interpretation, or typological interpretations, or perhaps a blend of these approaches. Such interpretations can lead to errors because the Bible should be interpreted according to authorial intent.

Such interpretations can result in significant errors, primarily because they don't rely exclusively on the approach that attempts to uncover the author’s intended meaning.

My mind is just boggled. Do you actually think I don't already know all of this.

As a devotee of Amillennialism, you ostensibly adhere to the doctrine, but at times, you seem to forget things or hold a nuanced view that others don't.

 

[CadyandZoe]

LOL. Ridiculous.


God has already given many Israelites a new heart and a new spirit in the past almost 2,000 years. You're out of touch with reality.

Context is king.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Scott Downey

can you explain the following?

ez 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

1. When did God bring Israel and Judah together and make them 1 in the land again?
2. When did God place 1 king over the Nation that was restored?
3. When did Israel (Judah and Israel;) stop their sins against God?

When did God deliver them from their dispersion, where God sent them because of their sin according to lev 26, cleanse them, and make them one again?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you hold the belief, and it seems you do, that a significant portion of biblical prophecy should be understood in a non-literal or figurative manner, then we encounter a fundamental issue.

Define "significant portion"? Obviously, books like Daniel and Revelation contain a good amount of non-literal or figurative text, but I take most prophecy from other books literally, such as most of the prophecies that Jesus, Paul and Peter gave.

The challenge lies in how one can appropriately engage in metaphorical or figurative interpretation if there is no clear understanding of the analogies being employed. Without a grasp of the underlying concepts or images that serve as points of comparison, the richness and depth of such interpretations may be lost, leading to confusion or misinterpretation of the texts in question.

You talk so much while saying so little. The key to interpreting Bible prophecy is being able to differentiate between literal and non-literal text. No one thinks all of it is literal or all is non-literal.

Do you accept this notion purely by faith, relying on what others have conveyed to you? Or have you taken the initiative to examine and validate your beliefs against the prophetic messages found in scripture?

The latter, of course.

It would be reasonable to expect that someone with a critical and objective mindset would not assert that all the prophecies from the Old Testament have found their fulfillment in Christ.

Who said that? Not me. Stop wasting your time making straw man arguments.

This perspective might align more closely with individuals who employ allegorical interpretation, analogical interpretation, or typological interpretations, or perhaps a blend of these approaches. Such interpretations can lead to errors because the Bible should be interpreted according to authorial intent.

Of course. Did I ever say otherwise? No, I did not. Again, with the straw man arguments...

As a devotee of Amillennialism, you ostensibly adhere to the doctrine, but at times, you seem to forget things or hold a nuanced view that others don't.

That is incorrect. You have no idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Context is king.

Yes, it is, and you miss the context on a regular basis.

 

[Scott Downey]

@Scott Downey

can you explain the following?

ez 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

1. When did God bring Israel and Judah together and make them 1 in the land again?
2. When did God place 1 king over the Nation that was restored?
3. When did Israel (Judah and Israel;) stop their sins against God?

When did God deliver them from their dispersion, where God sent them because of their sin according to lev 26, cleanse them, and make them one again?

The early church was all Jewish.... The Jewish believers then who became His church

Recall not all Israel is of Israel, it is not the Jewish descendants according to the flesh that God blesses with salvation, but those born again by the Spirit who are the children of His promise to Abraham.

Paul discusses this subject in Romans. The Jews were brought back to the land already thousands of years ago.

The church is what God is all about today, not real estate.

There was NEVER any promise God gave to the Jews that He would save them all. Those of the generation that grumbled, complained, strove with God, He destroyed them all, and their children came into the promised land because they entered by faith.

Romans 9

Israel’s Rejection of Christ​

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose​

6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

 

[Scott Downey]

God has not cast away any of His people whom He foreknew. This is true down to this very day. Only the elect, whom God foreknew will believe in Christ and inherit God's promises. And that work in them is done by God's grace.

Romans 11

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God has not cast away any of His people whom He foreknew. This is true down to this very day. Only the elect, whom God foreknew will believe in Christ and inherit God's promises. And that work in them is done by God's grace.

Romans 11

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

I agree with your first 2 sentences, but disagree with your last one. You say only the elect that Paul mentioned there will believe in Christ and inherit God's promises? No, that is not true. You need to read the verses which follow the ones you quoted there. Some of those who were blinded also ended up later believing in Christ, as evidenced by what Paul said here.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Can you see here how Paul wanted to lead some of those who were blinded to salvation? If what you said was true, he wouldn't have wanted to save any of those who were not of the elect at that time and were blinded, but he did because they were not blinded permanently.