Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Eternally Grateful]

What if your interpretation of the NT is incorrect?

Ask him the same thing we asked the others.

did the blood of bulls and goats EVER take away sin?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Premils are fixated with twisting the Old Testament and the book of Revelation. They totally explain away and negate the clear consistent teaching of Christ and the New Testament writers. They pitch their tent in the obscure, and use that to twist the truth.

Let the New Testament interpret the Old! The bottom line is, the New Testament shines light and detail on the Old Testament prophecies. It gives greater clarity and perspective. It is the fuller revelation. You would have to be blind not to see that. The New Testament frequently quotes Old Testament prophecies and explains them, expands upon them and locates them. It is not the other way around. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look at the Old Testament, but we should use the New Testament to interpret the Old Testament whenever possible.

So you agree with me then? You don't think the OT prophets knew what they were saying.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Ask him the same thing we asked the others.

did the blood of bulls and goats EVER take away sin?

Good point. What was the nature of the sacrificial system? And why did God institute it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where does it say that you have to believe in the deity of Christ to have the Holy Spirit teach you? Do you have to have your theology right before you accept Christ.

Great job of missing the point. The point is, if he doesn't believe in the deity of Christ, then who do you think is teaching him things like that? Not the Holy Spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you agree with me then? You don't think the OT prophets knew what they were saying.

Don't play dumb. You know that's not what he's saying.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What if your interpretation of the NT is incorrect?

Obviously, I don't believe that it is. You certainly have done nothing to refute it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Good point. What was the nature of the sacrificial system? And why did God institute it?

It also continued to happen after the death of Christ until 70 AD when Titus destroyed the temple.

 

[KUWN]

Great job of missing the point. The point is, if he doesn't believe in the deity of Christ, then who do you think is teaching him things like that? Not the Holy Spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why did Jesus teach his disciples to pray "make your name holy"?

Answering a question with a question? Or is this your answer? I asked you to tell us what those reasons are that sacrifices will be performed again and what scriptures you use to support your opinion about that. You respond with a question and no scriptures. Did you not read the question or what? Is your answer that the reason is to make God's name holy? If so, what scriptures do you use to support that idea?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We are fixated on the literal interpretation of prophecy..

What does this even mean? As if prophecy is all literal? Do you think books like Daniel and Revelation are filled with nothing but literal text?

Now alot of prophecy just happens to be letters from Daniel and John (revelation) which are a continuation of the message Daniel started in chapter 2. they flow together in harmony so yes. we do take these two books alot. because they have relevance.

we do not just ignore them or try to spiritualize them so we can force the word to fit our belief

Both Jesus and the NT authors spiritualized some OT prophecies. That's undeniable. I guess you have a problem with them just like you do with us. You must really have a problem with Paul when he does things like apply promises made to Abraham and his seed to Christ and those who belong to Christ (Galatians 3:16, 29).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

for what purpose were they done before Christ?

To foreshadow His sacrifice, as it talked about in Hebrews 10. So, if you're implying that you believe they will be performed for the same reason they were performed before Christ, that isn't possible. So, for what purpose would they be performed in the future? Use scripture to support your answer.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ask him the same thing we asked the others.

did the blood of bulls and goats EVER take away sin?

What is the point of asking that question when everyone knows the answer is no. So? What is the point? You guys are unable to even tell us why animal sacrifices will be performed in the future. If you're going to claim that will happen, then you should be able to explain why, but none of you can.

 

[WPM]

Well thanks for your opinion. But the word must agree.

And God tells us when it happens and it happens after the tribulation, after all time of Gods wrath, after the 1000 years, and after satan is released and the last human resistance is put down

Where is your biblical evidence for this? You seem to be twisting Revelation. Show me other scripture in the New Testament that supports your view.

 

[WPM]

Should I take your human wisdom and change my life? I mean, you possess human wisdom but how do I know what
you say is truth?

You've nothing to bring to the table but insults. Where is your Scripture?

 

[WPM]

for what purpose were they done before Christ?

Can you not support your opinions with Scripture?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where is your biblical evidence for this? You seem to be twisting Revelation. Show me other scripture in the New Testament that supports your view.

It's amazing to me that Premills seem to think we can just take their word for what they claim without them having to back it up with scripture. Many of them believe in future animal sacrifices, but can't tell us why they would be performed. Why should anyone take that seriously?

 

[WPM]

Lets use Jesus own word

Luke:
16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [i]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are [j]oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Now can you tell us when everythign else happened?

Is 61: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,

This is what Jesus quoted and said it is literally fulfilled.

when will the rest of this happen?


And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.”
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.
5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
And the sons of the foreigner
Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But you shall be named the priests of the Lord,
They shall call you the servants of our God.
You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
And in their glory you shall boast.
7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
Everlasting joy shall be theirs.

if part literally came true. should not the whole come true?

It is, and has been, coming true for 2000 years. Study history.

 

[WPM]

It's amazing to me that Premills seem to think we can just take their word for what they claim without them having to back it up with scripture. Many of them believe in future animal sacrifices, but can't tell us why they would be performed. Why should anyone take that seriously?

Exactly. It totally contradicts the New Testament.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where is your biblical evidence for this? You seem to be twisting Revelation. Show me other scripture in the New Testament that supports your view.

Getting them to support their claims with scripture is like pulling teeth. It's quite telling that all they do is ask questions while providing no answers.

 

[WPM]

So you agree with me then? You don't think the OT prophets knew what they were saying.

The Old Testament prophets looked through a glass darkly and described things in terms their listeners could understand. The audience of that day did not have the great wealth of knowledge and revelation we enjoy today through the appearance of Christ, the fulfilling of countless Old Testament prophecies and the completion of the written canon of Scripture. They had no great appreciation of the incarnation – how God would take on human form and make a one-off final payment for sin. The prophet's words were therefore covered in obscure language that may seem strange to the New Testament mind-set. Notwithstanding, we should consider, predicting the abolition of the Judaic sacrificial system would have been inconceivable in that day. It would have been like denying the faith or being a heretic.

Whilst many Old Testament passages are presented in terms of the law (when it was given), this doesn’t mean a return to the law. No, the detail has new covenant realities today. The prophecy was not intended to be a scrupulously literal outline of the new economy, but rather a general overview of this new arrangement. When the Old Testament prophets described an improved economy, they described it in terms that made sense to what they knew, and what their old covenant audience understood. Thus, it is logical that a future state would be described in old covenant terms, even though these terms would not be an exact depiction of the approaching condition.

Premils take Old Testament Scripture that were prophetically written to the Old Testament saints through a glass darkly pertaining to the new covenant time and propel them into some imaginary future bipolar age of justice and injustice, deliverance and bondage, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, perfection and sin, glorification and corruption, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror. This concept is totally unknown to Scripture.

The difficulty Amils have with Premillennialism is that it places a meaning on the Old Testament passages that do not fit with the consistence teaching of Scripture and which conflict with the fuller and clearer revelation of the New Testament. It seems like Premillennialists take advantage of the vaguer and more obscured view that the prophets had and place a meaning on their predictions that were never intended by God or the prophet. That is why Premils seem more comfortable under the old covenant arrangement and are fixated with bringing it back again in the future. Amils pitch their tent in the New Testament and let the clear and explicit New Testament explain the type and the shadow. They see Christ as the fulfillment of every single Old Testament hope.