Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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ChristinaL
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Jesus was literally physically begotten of God the Father....He is Jesus' literal Father not just a spiritual one. Remember we are ADOPTED, not Jesus. So yes. Fully man and fully God. Jesus is not created. He is alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last (Rev 21:6, 22:13). God made flesh (John 1:14) whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting ( Micah 5:2)
Eternally Grateful
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I was responding to his post.
He claimed irrefutable proof. hence the onus was in him to produce proof. He failed to do so in my view.
I proved it. You avoided it. You have to! Those who have eyes to see will see it. Those who do not will not!
Taken
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ChristinaL
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"WE" disagree? What are you Queen Victoria? good golly man the indisputable proof that Jesus is God is right under your nose and you still refuse to see it?
CadyandZoe
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I agree with that. However, we are talking about issues that may or may not disprove Premillennialism. So far, I have not read anything in this thread that would be irrefutable proof that the Premillennial view contradicts scripture.
God made a promise to Israel that has not yet been kept. We understand that he will fulfill this promise in the future, when he circumcises the hearts of his people, the sons and daughters of Jacob. At that time, when Jesus returns, he will set up his kingdom in Jerusalem and he will rule as king for a thousand years. God says that in this way, he will vindicate his name.
CadyandZoe
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CadyandZoe
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I saw nothing in your quote of my statement where I said that God would perform a wholesale salvation of Israel. You are reading ideas into my statements that I didn't intend.
Taken
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That should be “who”, not “what”.
Don’t disagree that Jesus is God.
Disagree with what YOU said.
John 4:
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 10:
[30] I and my father are one.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Really…you think human men ARE Spirits and came OUT of God….?
Taken
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i agree. I wasn't trying to say something bad about you, but I like it when someone says to me, you have to prove it, and I tell them, Yes, I want to be responsible for the truth. Sorry
Timtofly
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Which came first Jesus or Adam? Was Adam in the human likeness of Jesus or was Jesus in the human likeness of Adam?
Think really long and hard, as God said:
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."
Jesus is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Adam was made in the likeness of Jesus. Jesus was before Abraham and before Adam.
Jesus was God in human flesh so Adam could be created in the likeness of Jesus.
Taken
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Jesus…Spirit…eternally existed.
Adam…ManKIND…was created and MADE.
HUH? Not a Mystery.
Uh huh…
Lord Gods IMANGE…outer appearance.
Lord Gods LIKENESS….very good
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@ChristinaL.
@Dan Clarkston
Specifics…Disagree.
IN Brief…more details, requires study.
Jesus IS SPIRIT, IS God, IS Gods Word,
* who Came forth OUT from Gods (MOUTH), * IN a BODY God Prepared,
* That HOLY THING, was sent to a Virgin womb, to be delivered and revealed to manKIND.
* In the IMAGE outer appearance (FLESH) AS manKIND of being.
* LIKENESS AS manKIND…(with blood)
* [/B] UN-LIKENESS OF manKIND (withOUT) SIN.
WHY sent….?
To teach stubborn, stiff-necked, manKIND, who could NOT BELIEVE in the Invisible God…BY HEARING…and SEEING Gods’ WORKS…….BUT
(WANTED TO SEE GOD)!!
PURPOSE SENT…?
** TO TEACH (corrupted) ManKIND HOW TO BeCOME “MADE” IN GOD’S LIKENESS!!
Jesus…..The Word of God…in the IMAGE and LIKENESS (AS A manKIND of being)
(Appearance, flesh, blood, ate, got tired, slept, cried, few possessions, got frustrated, taught, preached the Word of God, was treated kindly, performed miracles, was unjustly treated, threatened, scoffed at, faced an anti-god spirit tempter, accused, beaten, imprisoned, killed………rose up from death by His power…ALL for manKIND to SEE.)
UNLIKE (AS a manKIND of being).
(Did NOT SIN…Did NOT Blame God…Did NOT boo hoo, whine and complain about Him being a Victim, go to therapy, take drugs, expect or demand to be treated and financed for BEING a poor me, LIFELONG VICTIM…
Did NOT…infringe on ANY manKinds liberties, steal a mans possessions, rob, lie, force men to provide for Him, murder any man, cheat any man.)
***** SO……BACK to the OP…
* IN this world ARE tribulations ….
* Gods effects….WEATHER.
* Evil spirits…continual anti-God trickery
* Wicked men…power sitters, liberty thieves, oppressors, liars, cheaters, anti-God, anti-Christs.
God HAS a Plan…TO:
SEND DOWN FROM Heaven…
HIS Tribulations and HIS WRATH upon the WHOLE WORLD….(FOR…the unrighteousness of Evil spirits and Wicked mankind upon the whole Earth.)
God By, Through Of…His Word, His Power Has OFFERED all of manKIND…
An ORDER and WAY…to ESCAPE His Tribulations and Wrath!
Such OFFERING, IS FOR ANY “FREELY WILLING” manKind of being….
TO TAKE, Have, Possess, FOREVER…
AND THAT OFFERING…”IS” FOR a “willing” manKIND of being …
TO BE “MADE” IN Jesus’ LIKENESS…ONCE and FOREVER!!
AND…the FEW (out of ALL of manKind) WHO do so Freely Choose to Accept the Lord Gods’ Offering….(according to His Order and Way)….SHALL BE MADE holy whole, AND…DELIVERED FROM the Tribulations and Wrath…sent down From Heaven .
VIA THE ESCAPE…Ie the RAPTURE….caught UP above the Earth…(while the Earth and its inhabitants ARE experiencing Gods Tribulations and Wrath.)
Not A mystery.
Not Complicated.
God IS Just.
God IS Faithful.
His Word SHALL be fulfilled.
IF a man becomes MADE IN Jesus’ LIKENESS…such man will BE WITH THE Lord Jesus……DURING Gods Tribulations and Wrath upon the whole Earth…
(Hint, hint…the Lord Jesus IS NOT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH DURING the Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven!!)
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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Snarky..
I was NOT stating my view.
I am NOT wondering WHAT to Believe
I HAVE a view.
I WAS ASKING an other’s view specific regarding IS or AS….NOT WHO CAME FIRST.
CadyandZoe
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Well, you make a good point. Perhaps God is fulfilling his promise today. How can I know? How can any of us know if another person has a circumcised heart? Could you follow me around for a few days to see how I behave?
I believe that God promised Jerusalem will become a righteous city once again. At that time, Israel will face a serious existential threat, prompting a call to the nation. Those who fear the Lord will be encouraged to come to Jerusalem to pray for the nation's sake. Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved—the survivors in Jerusalem.
CadyandZoe
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@covenantee
Amillennialism teaches that "the millennium is understood as a spiritual reign of Christ in the hearts of believers, rather than a literal, earthly reign." Premillennialism, on the other hand, acknowledges that Christ reigns in the hearts of believers but also posits that the millennium will involve a physical reign of Christ on Earth. Both perspectives can be true simultaneously; the first concept does not exclude the second.
Amillennialism teaches that "the millennium is understood as a spiritual reign of Christ in the hearts of believers, rather than a literal, earthly reign." Premillennialism, on the other hand, acknowledges that Christ reigns in the hearts of believers but also posits that the millennium will involve a physical reign of Christ on Earth. Both perspectives can be true simultaneously; the first concept does not exclude the second.
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