HERESY?

[Moriah's Song]

I'll leave this thread as the conversation is over.

You know you have been exposed.

 

[Moriah's Song]

There is a difference between not understanding and not agreeing. I understand the trinity and I reject it as a valid doctrine derived from:

No born-again Christian that "understands the trinity" rejects it as an invalid doctrine....only those in denial reject it because they DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT. I understand people have difficulties explaining it but they accept it as a heart matter inspired by the Holy Spirit according to the teachings of Jesus , the apostles and NT writers....not using the word but living it in faith because we do not believe those terms that He said are contradictiory - otherwise Jesus and the Father would not be able to use the term "Holy" for either one.

 

[Moriah's Song]

I add it for emphasis.

Tri-une born-again Christians...use it to describe the impossible and the incomprehensible. Until you have a heart-change though the power of the Holy Spirit you will never be able to understand the trinity.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Since we know that Resurrection/Rapture, as well as the resurrection of the Tribulation saints, occur over 1,000 years before the Great White Throne Judgment, and the "last day" includes all three events, it cannot possibly be a 24 hour day. It is simply a metaphor for this period of time.

There is no rapture of "the church" and "tribulations saints" prior to the "last day at the end of the world" when all who are dead (believers and unbelievers) will be raised first and then those who are alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye. The unbelivers go to hell, the believers rise to heaven to be with the Lord for eternity. (1 Thess 4:13)

The IS a "metaphor" for the 1,000 years. But it is not a literal 1,000 years. It's a metaphor for this entire period of time beginning at the ascension and very last day - judgement day.

 

[farouk]

Tri-une born-again Christians...use it to describe the impossible and the incomprehensible. Until you have a heart-change though the power of the Holy Spirit you will never be able to understand the trinity.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit - a revealed mystery - are overwhelmingly present in Scripture.

 

[Enoch111]

But it is not a literal 1,000 years.

A lot of people hold to this fallacy. We will agree to disagree.

 

[Moriah's Song]

One God, the Father. For the purpose of this thread, that is the important part of 1 Cor 8:6.

This is exactly how the serpent fooled Eve; only quoting a portion of what scripture really says in 1 Cor 8:6 which the context is about idols and "many gods" vs the Christian belief of "one God, the Father." It is deception in the sense that it ignores other scripture that DOES indicate a triune Godhead.

1 Corinthians 8:6 is not a verse where God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the purpose of the warnings about idol worship for Christians or else it would indicate the working of all three at the same time - as in the baptism of Jesus. It's about warning us not to believe in "many" gods. That's the context.

Verses 5-6..."For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth --- as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" --- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Wrangler deceptively omits the part that says...and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

That is serpent style deception

 

[Moriah's Song]

We will agree to disagree.

I always get a chuckle when people use this term because it really says that "I will hold onto my false beliefs....just because it's mine and I don't want to listen."

 

[GodsGrace]

I always get a chuckle when people use this term because it really says that "I will hold onto my false beliefs....just because it's mine and I don't want to listen."

Cute!
:)

 

[GodsGrace]

Tri-une born-again Christians...use it to describe the impossible and the incomprehensible. Until you have a heart-change though the power of the Holy Spirit you will never be able to understand the trinity.

I don't think @Wrangler wants to understand it.
I doubt he might even be Chrstian since CHRIST is in that title and the other poster believes only in God Father.
Maybe he's Jewish?

 

[GodsGrace]

One logical fallacy after another ... It's not the word. You are adding 'the word' to weaken the argument. Some claim the trinity is the central message of the Bible. It's so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once - not the word and not the doctrine.

To this, trinitarians offer another Strawman, to offer verses that do not explicitly state the doctrine of the trinity. Something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the F, S & HS who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not accept this, you cannot be saved but will be damned to hell forever.

It would be nice if you could simply admit the trinity is not in the Bible. Can you admit this?

It would be nice if you could explain why you believe yourself to be a Christian, since to do so requires you to believe Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

It would be nice if you could explain why you believe yourself to be a Christian, since to do so requires you to believe Jesus is God.

My existence as a Christ follower proves you wrong. Once does not have to believe Aristotle is God, or any man to be a God in order to follow that man.

 

[GodsGrace]

My existence as a Christ follower proves you wrong. Once does not have to believe Aristotle is God, or any man to be a God in order to follow that man.

Ah.
So you do not pray or worship Jesus.
OK
Are you depending on Him for your salvation?

 

[Wrangler]

Ah.
So you do not pray or worship Jesus.
OK
Are you depending on Him for your salvation?

Ground already covered.

Jesus did not teach us to pray to him and said in John 4:22-23 that true worshippers worship the Father.

Regarding who I depend on for my salvation; God and his servant Jesus. Acts 3:26. You may have missed the many posts on agency. Question: Does Jesus act on his own will or that of his God?

 

[Moriah's Song]

Exactly. Your 'rationalizations' are opposite of logic as they invoke logical fallacies. Look it up.

Uh, it's more like..."Your IRrationalizations invoke illogical fallacies." Look it up.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Scripture says God new us before we were born, before the foundations of the Earth were laid. How is this possible if we are not God?

So you are claiming to be God now???

 

[Moriah's Song]

Wrangler said: ↑
I realized the trinity violates the 1C.

1C?? Never heard that term before?

 

[Moriah's Song]

One example is John 3:16. ‘God, in his unitarian nature, so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.’ God in his fullness, wholeness, completeness. That is what ‘God’ means in such verses.

What Bible did you get that "ridiculous revision" from?

 

[Moriah's Song]

It would be nice if you could simply admit the trinity is not in the Bible. Can you admit this?

Oh, the old serpent is at it again I see.
No, I would rather be hung upside down and burned at the stake or fed to the lions in the Roman Colliseum than give an ounce of credence to anything you have written so far.

My agreeing with anything you have posted would mean denying God's Holy Word and end up in hell because of it.

 

[Moriah's Song]

One does not have to believe Aristotle is God,

Who on here ever said "Aristotle is God?"

or any man to be a God in order to follow that man.

Serpent talk again?
Jesus was NOT "any man."

Phil 2:5-11..."Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
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As a born-again Christian, I do not pray to "any man" yet it is scriptural to pray to Jesus as well as to the Father (but not to Mary). I do not pray to "a god" nor "any god" but the "only God the Father" and the "only Jesus as God" in the flesh.

Do you pray to "the only Jesus as God in the flesh?"