Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[One 2 question]

The body of a person “IN” Christ, is already accounted DEAD, and uhhh, they ARE LIVING “IN JESUS” RISEN BODY….(ding, ding, ding…. “ IN CHRIST” !!! ) until the DAY the Servant of the Lord, summons Christ’s Church UP to Meet their Lord, face to face…
Um…saved soul, quickened spirit, rising UP IN “THEIR” new body….meet the Lord…SEE Him as “HE IS”…
Thereafter Forever with Him where ever He goes!!

I just saw it like this. There was a person who was setting up an orchestra. He put out info about it and an invitation for anyone who would like to join which was sent to the whole world. I responded and from all who turned up I was chosen to be in the orchestra. The owner/conductor had a private plane to transport us. We flew all over the world in that plane.

So I was chosen to be IN the orchestra and because of that I was IN the plane.

likewise, I was chosen by Christ to be IN Christ. And because of this I will find myself serving IN Christ's eternal global government.

Jesus returns to Earth with His Angels.
Jesus returns to Earth with His Saints.

We are chosen as kings and priests by the King of kings and Great High Priest in this life. And after some training here we who are IN the royal priesthood will get to exercise our divine priestly role IN the Great High Priest's priesthood.

Now that's pretty awesome. I'm not sure of you but knowing this truth produces ever increasing excitement, anticipation and hope. All this training will be put to great use on game day. And to know that we will be victorious when we are IN Christ's global government as government ministers. Fantastic!

 

[Earburner]

The papacy claims to "take the place of Christ" which is the very definition of "antichrist".

That is your definition of antichrist. As I had pointed out, scripture says differently of what the spirit of antichrist says and does. It denies that Christ has come in the flesh.

So then whether the Papacy thinks that to be "holy flesh", or we think it to be "mortal flesh", the point is Jesus who was Eternal (invisible) before his appearance and Eternal after His death and resurrection, He was made to be manifest (visible) among us!!
Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

2 Cor. 4
[10] Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
[11] For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
So....scripturally, is the Pope wrong in what he believes about Christ living His Life through him, or anyone else, who claims to be a Christian?

HOW ELSE is one an "ambassador" FOR Christ, if "the Spirit of Christ" does NOT dwell within them?? Rom. 8:9
2 Cor. 5
[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's STEAD, be ye reconciled to God.

As for me, I don't follow any religion of church-ianity. 1 Cor. 2
[5] That your FAITH should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 "ALL the churches have SOME OF His Truth, but NONE OF the churches have ALL OF His Truth"- Earburner

 

[Phoneman777]

I do believe I asked the question first about your use of the words "cut off", and what scripture reference you are using.
Are you lacking confidence in how you "stand" with it?
Edit:
So then, when you answer my question first, I will answer your question directly, along with scripture for understanding.

I assure you, I'm happy to answer it...but, first please tell me what is the Biblical reason for Gabriel coming and presenting the 70 Weeks prophecy.

 

[One 2 question]

Therefore, all Christians ought to be in a constant state of alarm and readiness, either because of the clear and present danger all around us, or because they've been blinded by deception. It's up to us to ensure we're following the "Biblical Jesus" and not some "false christ" preached to us by those who are themselves deceived.

I think I can see what you're trying to say. And it may be somewhat factual. But there is, for me, a missing overaching fact. The Designer, Creator and current Owner of this planet is still invested in it and is fully aware of what is happening on His late great planet earth.

Is He in a constant state of alarm? I doubt that very much. He has never lost control over this planet. In fact He is in full control over His whole creation, every planet included. So there is not need to be anxious or to be alarmed. Everything is going according to His master plan.

Satan and all he influences are in their Creators' sovereign hands. So for all that is happening I encourage you to draw on the patience of the indwelling Spirit and like Father, let peace flood your being as you endure the evil in the world. No stress. Instead, give thanks to God for He has it all in hand working it all together for His good pleasure once it's run it course.

The temptation is to push the pause button part the way through this blockbuster movie. The villains may appear to have the upper hand but we know Who has the sovereign hand and will be victorious before we see the final words 'The End'. In Him we trust!

 

[One 2 question]

So then, when you answer my question first, I will answer your question directly, along with scripture for understanding.

I am intrigued by your comment, 'along with scripture for understanding'. What do you mean by this?

I used to think that to legitimise what I was saying or claiming, I had to use a quote from the bible as it acted as a kind of the final adjudicator of what is truth and what wasn't.

In it's context it was deemed as truth to some, untruth to others. Jesus's words caused the Pharisees to reject, redicule and want to kill Him. To His closes disciples they were words of eternal life. Paul said some of his words were as a pleasant aroma but to the guy standing next to him it was like a repulsive odour.

To some, they are content to stick with some historical quotes from certain historical figures that some humans of history chose. This is certainly not the case for others, including myself.

I certainly don't need their, out of my context advice, thoughts, commands, instructions to guide me in my everyday life. I communicate with Him and He communicates with me as we go on our merry way. It's great.

Is this book, who's contents were discontinued by a few individuals centuries ago, of no use. I would say it has value, benefit and very limited use to us today.
My simple question is, why did they stop adding to the old testament scriptures? Why did they make it a closed canon not an open canon, which would be today, like a Working Document – this means that it should reflect one's needs and it should change, therefore be added to as one's needs change.

For some say the bible is God's thoughts expressed to mankind. If this was the case, when and why did He stop expressing His thoughts to us?

 

[Earburner]

I assure you, I'm happy to answer it...but, first please tell me what is the Biblical reason for Gabriel coming and presenting the 70 Weeks prophecy.

Well since you insist in having it your way, you got it.
First, you must acknowledge that Gabriel was made known to Daniel in 8:16
Dan. 8
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How LONG shall be the VISION concerning the daily sacrifice, AND the transgression [revolt/rebellion] of desolation [destruction], TO GIVE BOTH
[1.] the sanctuary AND
[2.]the host [army of Israel] to be trodden under foot?
[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred [evenings and mornings of literal] days; then shall the sanctuary [of Israel] be cleansed.
[15] And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
[16] And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, GABRIEL, make this man to understand the vision.[aka the 2300 DAYS].
[17] So he [Gabriel] came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision [2300 DAYS].

[18] Now as he [Gabriel] was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
[19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the LAST end of the INDIGNATION [anger, fury, rage]: for at the time appointed ["determined," Dan. 9:24] the end shall be, [through the six works of God, that HE  gave  to Jesus, for Him to do, Dan. 9:24; John 17:4].

Dan. 9
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I HAD SEEN in the vision at the beginning [8:16], being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider THE VISION [2300 DAYS].

[24] Seventy weeks [490 years**] are determined [appointed] upon thy people [Israel] and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2.to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy [aka the Messiah].

**Note: Daniel received his vision from God in 555-553 BC., during the "Age of Indignation", of which was "determined" by God to be ENDED, being the "END of the world" for Israel, of them being no longer God's "chosen people".
Heb. 9
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but NOW ONCE in the end of the world [the end of the "Age of Indignation"] hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. [as described in Daniel 9:24.]

For all the accurate historical details of the above, please see 1&2 Maccabees.

> OK, now you tell me the scripture reference you are using for the words "cut off".

 

[Taken]

I just saw it like this. There was a person who was setting up an orchestra. He put out info about it and an invitation for anyone who would like to join which was sent to the whole world. I responded and from all who turned up I was chosen to be in the orchestra. The owner/conductor had a private plane to transport us. We flew all over the world in that plane.

So I was chosen to be IN the orchestra and because of that I was IN the plane.

likewise, I was chosen by Christ to be IN Christ. And because of this I will find myself serving IN Christ's eternal global government.


We are chosen as kings and priests by the King of kings and Great High Priest in this life. And after some training here we who are IN the royal priesthood will get to exercise our divine priestly role IN the Great High Priest's priesthood.

Now that's pretty awesome. I'm not sure of you but knowing this truth produces ever increasing excitement, anticipation and hope. All this training will be put to great use on game day. And to know that we will be victorious when we are IN Christ's global government as government ministers. Fantastic!

I had not heard that analogy. Thanks for sharing. Agree there is an appointment for men in Christ to Serve in a grand capacity.

God Bless you.
Glory to God,

Taken

 

[Taken]

The papacy claims to "take the place of Christ" which is the very definition of "antichrist".

Hi P-777,

I would agree “AN” anti-Christ IS one who DOES NOT hold the standing of Belief IN Jesus being the Christ …

AS WELL, “AN” anti-Christ IS one who ELEVATES himself (or an other) in position EQUAL or HIGHER than the Lord God Almighty.

i would also mention there ARE “many” anti-Christs who occupy this Earth. (Celestials and Terrestrials).

Among “all” of the “anti-Christs”…. ONE (whose Original Estate WAS IN Heaven and Presently ON Earth…
* IS: presently Influencing many of manKIND, to establish a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT,
(And observed for Decades by the LEAGUES of Nations … UN, EU, Arabs, etc….
to evolve into a ONE WORLD SITTING Governor (President, King, or whatever is chosen for the Title).
* WILL become established.
* WHO WILL be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to Suffer A Mortal Wound, and Physical Death.
* WHO WILL also be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to REVIVE, Resume Living after suffering a Mortal Wound.
* WHO SHALL BE: the ONE (celestial) ASSUMING A BODY IN the APPEARANCE, as the mortally killed, (Terrestrial, “president” of the One World Government)….
WHOM at that Time…that ONE SHALL ALSO DECLARE himself to BE “God”.
* THAT ONE IS “THEE” (head, leader, primary, ancient, well noted…Anti-Christ).
* THAT ONE leads, directs, ALL other “anti-Christs”.
* THAT ONE SHALL appease…two fold “groups” who have since ancient times…
Fostered the Concerns and views of the population of people at large….
* THAT BEING…
1) The Political Governing Power position.
2) The Religious “governing” power position.
* Which is to NOT IGNORE…the “Religious” “side-kick” of the “ONE” in the political governing power seat.
* THAT “religious side-kick…NOT YET Personally REVEALED (but yet holding opinions of being suspect)…. HAS HAD “their TITLE Revealed….AKA…”THE FALSE PROPHET”.
* The “False Prophet’s” position SHALL be to advocate, promote, encourage, assure, appease, the “religious sector” of the People at Large….to CONCEDE, SUBMIT, AGREE…with the ONE seated in position of WORLD governance…that “he IS god”.

The ONE is Satan himself.
The “side-kick” FALSE PROPHET has a few ancient and historical “POSITIONS”, and a LIST of many men who have occupied those positions…(TO THIS DAY)…
WHO are “suspect”…TO BE SEATED, by the appointment of Satan himself.

Christianity…
Islam…
Judaism…
Hinduism…
Buddhism…
Satanism…
Etal. have their “prominate” seated “leaders”,
And are scrutinized closely for their “behaviors” that “indicate” a curious leaning and support in opposition to Gods acceptable behavior.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[One 2 question]

I had not heard that analogy.

I love how Christ continues to speak in pictures, parables, analogies. This is how the Spirit speaks to me most of the time. Sometimes I get the privilege to share it with others. Thanks

 

[Taken]

I love how Christ continues to speak in pictures, parables, analogies. This is how the Spirit speaks to me most of the time. Sometimes I get the privilege to share it with others. Thanks

I marvel over times that seem “chance” encounters, but then is realized what I prayed for and trust I was answered by who or what God put in my path.

As well…as missed “encounters”, at times being delayed…traffic, lines, etc…and then realizing being “on time” according to my expectation…would have landed me in an bad situation.

For Example, was once dining, finished, was irked to have to wait for an employee to come to the counter to pay for our meal…got into vehicle entered two lane highway, in right lane…and directly in front an 18 wheeler in the left lane had just lost it’s entire load of steel (estimating 8 “ by 20 foot pipes) dumped in the right lane!

God IS Good…Praise and Glory unto God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

Continued….





Taken IN Scripture means WHATEVER an individual has chosen to Submit and Surrender to.

I do not require a lecture on the meaning of submission or the receipt of ANOTHER having TAKEN a persons submission.

Your inference is out of line, or you are utterly ignorant of a person who has submitted unto the Lord God, and thereafter consistently, acknowledges Praise and Glory unto the Lord God Almighty!



Never have I said or remotely implied such a thing…

I ELECTED, freely of my own will, to submit my whole (body, soul, spirit) unto the Lord God Almighty, for Him to KNOW, my choice, that He be my Master, my God…

And I fully trust, what I can NOT SEE, but that which the Lord God Promised, is He has fully Accepted TAKEN my (body, soul, spirit) unto Himself, His Power, to forgive, wash, sanctify, cover, dwell within me…..(you should know the whole list of Gods Works unto any individual who submits unto the Lord God)…



You make a bold statement, but your opinion is irrelevant.

The Lord God HAS NUMEROUS, BILLIONS of individual human beings and celestial beings to “expressly” deal with in the end of days as we know them.

It is NOT my dilemma, issue to worry about what you believe.

I trust the Lord Jesus Offered an EXPRESS Offering of a BETTER TESTAMENT, OF an option for a man to BECOME MADE …
Forgiven.
Soul Saved.
Spirit Quickened.
Body accounted DEAD, yet it be still Alive.
….
WITH NO NEED to participate, by subjection to Gods Tribulations, or appointed to Wrath…of which SHALL occur during the last days tribulation.
….
There is an EXPRESS exception, For Christ’s Church, to be EXCEPTED from Gods Tribulations and end of days WRATH…
Scripturally Called a “Catching Up”…”Caught Up”.
Well known in other languages…such as:
Harpazo, Rapio, Rapiemur, or English my preferred language…Rapture.



Resurrections, bodies raised from the dead, even raised from the grave….has occurred for centuries.



yep…after the 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus….Resurrected … not raptured.

The Sav-ED, Christ’s Church are Raptured ie., RAISED TO THE CLOUDS.
The Saved Resurrected are RAISED from their graves TO the Face of the Earth!
Big difference!



Yep, 1,000 years before others.



The Living in their natural body…DO NOT RECEIVE a new body…

The OLD BODY MUST FIRST DIE.

You are all over the place, as IF you KNOW NOT which Scriptures apply to WHOM or WHY.

There absolutely SHALL BE a “Catching Up”.
It is expressly applicable to Christ’s Church.

They are already SANCTIFIED…forgiven, soul saved, spirit quickened, and body….already accounted DEAD…

what do you think Crucified WITH Christ Jesus means?

what do you think …. “IN” Christ means?

The body of a person “IN” Christ, is already accounted DEAD, and uhhh, they ARE LIVING “IN JESUS” RISEN BODY….(ding, ding, ding…. “ IN CHRIST” !!! ) until the DAY the Servant of the Lord, summons Christ’s Church UP to Meet their Lord, face to face…
Um…saved soul, quickened spirit, rising UP IN “THEIR” new body….meet the Lord…SEE Him as “HE IS”…
Thereafter Forever with Him where ever He goes!!

Jesus returns to Earth with His Angels.
Jesus returns to Earth with His Saints.

Glory to God,
Taken

Dear Taken,
Since your understanding of the truth doesn't come from scripture, there is no point in presenting you additional scripture which shows your beliefs are false - you would just reject them as you have done with the ones I have already presented.
Joe

 

[Taken]

Dear Taken,
Since your understanding of the truth doesn't come from scripture, there is no point in presenting you additional scripture which shows your beliefs are false - you would just reject them as you have done with the ones I have already presented.
Joe

I did not nor do not reject Scripture.

It is Your Understanding of Scripture and Opinions I disagree with, and am content with that disagreement.

Absolutely, my Understanding of Scripture,
Does NOT come from Scripture.

Unlike you, my Understanding of Scripture, comes from the Lord God, just as Scripture teaches is the case, for those who belong to Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Earburner]

Hi P-777,

I would agree “AN” anti-Christ IS one who DOES NOT hold the standing of Belief IN Jesus being the Christ …

AS WELL, “AN” anti-Christ IS one who ELEVATES himself (or an other) in position EQUAL or HIGHER than the Lord God Almighty.

i would also mention there ARE “many” anti-Christs who occupy this Earth. (Celestials and Terrestrials).

Among “all” of the “anti-Christs”…. ONE (whose Original Estate WAS IN Heaven and Presently ON Earth…
* IS: presently Influencing many of manKIND, to establish a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT,
(And observed for Decades by the LEAGUES of Nations … UN, EU, Arabs, etc….
to evolve into a ONE WORLD SITTING Governor (President, King, or whatever is chosen for the Title).
* WILL become established.
* WHO WILL be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to Suffer A Mortal Wound, and Physical Death.
* WHO WILL also be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to REVIVE, Resume Living after suffering a Mortal Wound.
* WHO SHALL BE: the ONE (celestial) ASSUMING A BODY IN the APPEARANCE, as the mortally killed, (Terrestrial, “president” of the One World Government)….
WHOM at that Time…that ONE SHALL ALSO DECLARE himself to BE “God”.
* THAT ONE IS “THEE” (head, leader, primary, ancient, well noted…Anti-Christ).
* THAT ONE leads, directs, ALL other “anti-Christs”.
* THAT ONE SHALL appease…two fold “groups” who have since ancient times…
Fostered the Concerns and views of the population of people at large….
* THAT BEING…
1) The Political Governing Power position.
2) The Religious “governing” power position.
* Which is to NOT IGNORE…the “Religious” “side-kick” of the “ONE” in the political governing power seat.
* THAT “religious side-kick…NOT YET Personally REVEALED (but yet holding opinions of being suspect)…. HAS HAD “their TITLE Revealed….AKA…”THE FALSE PROPHET”.
* The “False Prophet’s” position SHALL be to advocate, promote, encourage, assure, appease, the “religious sector” of the People at Large….to CONCEDE, SUBMIT, AGREE…with the ONE seated in position of WORLD governance…that “he IS god”.

The ONE is Satan himself.
The “side-kick” FALSE PROPHET has a few ancient and historical “POSITIONS”, and a LIST of many men who have occupied those positions…(TO THIS DAY)…
WHO are “suspect”…TO BE SEATED, by the appointment of Satan himself.

Christianity…
Islam…
Judaism…
Hinduism…
Buddhism…
Satanism…
Etal. have their “prominate” seated “leaders”,
And are scrutinized closely for their “behaviors” that “indicate” a curious leaning and support in opposition to Gods acceptable behavior.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

It's simple enough as to what "THAT (singular) spirit of antichrist has to say and do, through THE MANY in all generations, since Christ was resurrected. In other words, THAT spirit of antichrist (singular) INFECTS MANY people (plural).

1John.2​

[18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that [spirit of] antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4​

[3] And every [singular] spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it [that spirit] should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1​

[7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1. There is NO "abomination that maketh desolate" to come.
2. There is NO "little horn" to come.
3. There is NO singular, one man band, miracle MAN, called "THE" Antichrist, to come.
Edit #1:
All three issues above  have ALREADY been literally FULFILLED.
1. Prophesied in Daniel, and was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes lV.
2. Prophesied in Daniel, and was fulfilled, being Antiochus Epiphanes lV, being himself.
3. Prophesied in the NT scriptures, and is STILL being fulfilled THROUGH MANY (plural), ever since Jesus called Judas Iscariot "the son of perdition/destruction" (plural)

Q. So then, how is #3 in the plural, and not just one?
A. "The natural man", "who hath not the Spirit of Christ, is none of his". Rom. 8:9.
If therefore a person does not HAVE the Spirit of Christ, then by default, they REMAIN to be only in "the natural man", who is "the son of perdition/destruction".

By default, all of such are quite literally "the man of sin", being void of the Holy Spirit of God, by which one becomes "Born Again", thus a "New man", being literally "A NEW CREATURE in Christ Jesus".
Edit #2:
For more detailed, historical and accurate understanding, by the Holy Spirit, and not by the wisdom of men (1 Cor. 2:5), please see my post #366 and the books of 1&2 Maccabees.

Did you know that in the KJV, there are no words: "the antichrist" to be found strung together at all.
But, in many of the corrupted newer translations, the words "the antichrist" have been purposely inserted.

 

[One 2 question]

T

I marvel over times that seem “chance” encounters, but then is realized what I prayed for and trust I was answered by who or what God put in my path.

As well…as missed “encounters”, at times being delayed…traffic, lines, etc…and then realizing being “on time” according to my expectation…would have landed me in an bad situation.

For Example, was once dining, finished, was irked to have to wait for an employee to come to the counter to pay for our meal…got into vehicle entered two lane highway, in right lane…and directly in front an 18 wheeler in the left lane had just lost it’s entire load of steel (estimating 8 “ by 20 foot pipes) dumped in the right lane!

God IS Good…Praise and Glory unto God,
Taken

Thanks for sharing your experience. They seem to bring God to life and like you did, highlights His wisdom and love.

 

[One 2 question]

Dear Taken,
Since your understanding of the truth doesn't come from scripture, there is no point in presenting you additional scripture which shows your beliefs are false - you would just reject them as you have done with the ones I have already presented.
Joe

Does our understanding of truth have to come from the bible? Who said it does?

Surely no one would ever believe that all the truth God wants to share with us is contained in 1 book. That would be an insult to God and His wisdom and ability.

 

[Taken]

It's simple enough as to what "THAT (singular) spirit of antichrist has to say and do, through THE MANY in all generations, since Christ was resurrected. In other words, THAT spirit of antichrist (singular) INFECTS MANY people (plural).

1John.2​

[18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that [spirit of] antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4​

[3] And every [singular] spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it [the spirit] should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1​

[7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1. There is NO "abomination that maketh desolate" to come.
2. There is NO "little horn" to come.
3. There is NO singular, one man band, miracle MAN, called "THE" Antichrist, to come.
Edit:
All three issues above  have ALREADY been literally FULFILLED.
1. Prophesied in Daniel, and was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes lV.
2. Prophesied in Daniel, and was fulfilled, being Antiochus Epiphanes lV himself.
3. Prophesied in the NT scriptures, and is STILL being fulfilled THROUGH MANY (plural), ever since Jesus called Judas Iscariot "the son of perdition/destruction" (plural)

Q. So then, how is #3 in the plural, and not just one?
A. "The natural man", "who hath not the Spirit of Christ, is none of his". Rom. 8:9.
If therefore a person does not HAVE the Spirit of Christ, then by default, they REMAIN to be only in "the natural man", who is "the son of perdition/destruction".

By default, all of such are quite literally "the man of sin", being void of the Holy Spirit of God, by which one becomes "Born Again", thus a "New man", being literally "A NEW CREATURE in Christ Jesus".

Yes.

Did you know that in the KJV, there are no words: "the antichrist" to be found strung together at all.
But, in many of the corrupted newer translations, the words "the antichrist" have been purposely inserted.

Correct. I agree “THAT” antichrist, is specific to a singular, and I would say it is the Original (Lucifer/Satan) anti-Christ…and all others (celestial or terrestrial) are servants to “THAT” anti-Christ.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Does our understanding of truth have to come from the bible? Who said it does?

Surely no one would ever believe that all the truth God wants to share with us is contained in 1 book. That would be an insult to God and His wisdom and ability.

I would say there is a Difference between Gods TRUTH (being Gods Knowledge) and the Understanding of Gods TRUTH.

Agree…Gods TRUTH, WORD, KNOWLEDGE, is “limited” In Scripture…
(While yet providing enough for any individual to become familiar with the Lord God, learn His Order, Way, Offerings, Precepts, Blessing, Gifts, and WHY and Consequences for individuals decisions, choices, (positive or negative), and many Examples.

Understanding Gods Word, belongs to the Lord God to GIVE to “individuals”… or NOT…
(And why, personal “interpretation” is not sanctioned.)
WHO, is “entitled” to Receive Gods “understanding”? Those Baptized with the Holy Spirit.
AKA…Ask and you shall receive.
B-Cause…God does NOT desire His faithful to be ignorant.

Satan is touted as being well versed in the Knowledge of Scripture… Yet I believe same as all “anti-Christs”, he falls short to Know Gods Understanding of His own Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[One 2 question]

Agree…Gods TRUTH, WORD, KNOWLEDGE, is “limited” In Scripture…

Thanks for being honest here. Maybe most Christians know this to be true but won't dare express it. So thanks again for acknowledging this truth.

While yet providing enough for any individual to become familiar with the Lord God

This was put quite diplomatically with the words, 'enough' and 'familiar'.

I'm thinking if the Spirit didn't come to the first members of the church on the day of Penticost and thereafter to now and until the end of this age then would the truth that Jesus delivered to His first disciples, in your opinion, be 'enough'? Or did we need post Penticost teaching, doctrine, revelation, prophecy etc. to become 'familiar' with the Lord God?

 

[One 2 question]

Understanding Gods Word, belongs to the Lord God to GIVE to “individuals”

Yes, it is great to know God has been speaking, communicating, wording His thoughts to individuals since our beginning.

And to think He isn't restricted to expressing Himself to humans and animals but communicates with the rest of His creation who express their frustration to Him and He conveys His plans for them.

I know I foolishly believed the lie that my Creators restricted Themselves to the point of only communicating to us through a compilation of scrolls, now known as the bible.

I thanks Them often for delivering me from this man built bondage and restriction so that now I experience the new found freedom to explore a broader understanding of my Creators in my everyday life.

Getting to know and understand Them more beyond the extremly limited parameters of the bible has definatly increased my love for Them.

I welcome and invite you to come join us beyond the bible. Come graze outside the sheep pen. Freedom lies everywhere, inside the pen and beyond where we can find pasture.

Is the Spirit of Christ calling you and inviting you to 'come' to Him now? My encouragement is if you hear Him communicate this to you to respond by accepting His invitation. To experience this freedom is truly wonderful. He is truly wonderful!

 

[One 2 question]

WHO, is “entitled” to Receive Gods “understanding”? Those Baptized with the Holy Spirit.
AKA…Ask and you shall receive.
B-Cause…God does NOT desire His faithful to be ignorant.

One thing that struck me was that my connection with Holy Spirit was mostly transactional and rarely relational.

If I expressed my intent to receive, believe and act on the information (truth) He delivers to me then He would do His part by delivering truth.

It's Iike transating with a vending machine.
1. If I put in the correct amount of money and push certain numbers
2. The machine will drop the requested item.
Then getting what I want, I can go my way and we become independent of each other.

This has changed. The Spirit and I are more relational these days. We just interact all day long. I don't have to perform a transaction eg. Read a certain book, pray certain prayer or attend a certain meeting, in order to get something from Him. We just hang out together and are never apart from each other. Our spirit are united and are one, never disconnected. This is soooo fantastic to know, understand and experience personally.