Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[Phoneman777]

Well since you insist in having it your way, you got it.
First, you must acknowledge that Gabriel was made known to Daniel in 8:16
Dan. 8
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How LONG shall be the VISION concerning the daily sacrifice, AND the transgression [revolt/rebellion] of desolation [destruction], TO GIVE BOTH
[1.] the sanctuary AND
[2.]the host [army of Israel] to be trodden under foot?
[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred [evenings and mornings of literal] days; then shall the sanctuary [of Israel] be cleansed.
[15] And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
[16] And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, GABRIEL, make this man to understand the vision.[aka the 2300 DAYS].
[17] So he [Gabriel] came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision [2300 DAYS].

[18] Now as he [Gabriel] was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
[19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the LAST end of the INDIGNATION [anger, fury, rage]: for at the time appointed ["determined," Dan. 9:24] the end shall be, [through the six works of God, that HE  gave  to Jesus, for Him to do, Dan. 9:24; John 17:4].

Dan. 9
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I HAD SEEN in the vision at the beginning [8:16], being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider THE VISION [2300 DAYS].

[24] Seventy weeks [490 years**] are determined upon thy people [Israel] and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2.to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy [aka the Messiah].

**Note: Daniel received his vision from God in 555-553 BC., during the "Age of Indignation", of which was "determined" by God to be ENDED, being the "END of the world" for Israel, of them being no longer God's "chosen people".
Heb. 9
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but NOW ONCE in the end of the world [the end of the "Age of Indignation"] hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. [as described in Daniel 9:24.]

For all the accurate historical details of the above, please see 1&2 Maccabees.

> OK, now you tell me the scripture reference you are using for the words "cut off".

Of course, Gabriel was there in chapter 8 - now then, what was the reason that Gabriel himself tells us that he came to reveal the 70 Weeks in Daniel 9?

 

[Earburner]

I am intrigued by your comment, 'along with scripture for understanding'. What do you mean by this?

I used to think that to legitimise what I was saying or claiming, I had to use a quote from the bible as it acted as a kind of the final adjudicator of what is truth and what wasn't.

In it's context it was deemed as truth to some, untruth to others. Jesus's words caused the Pharisees to reject, redicule and want to kill Him. To His closes disciples they were words of eternal life. Paul said some of his words were as a pleasant aroma but to the guy standing next to him it was like a repulsive odour.

To some, they are content to stick with some historical quotes from certain historical figures that some humans of history chose. This is certainly not the case for others, including myself.

I certainly don't need their, out of my context advice, thoughts, commands, instructions to guide me in my everyday life. I communicate with Him and He communicates with me as we go on our merry way. It's great.

Is this book, who's contents were discontinued by a few individuals centuries ago, of no use. I would say it has value, benefit and very limited use to us today.
My simple question is, why did they stop adding to the old testament scriptures? Why did they make it a closed canon not an open canon, which would be today, like a Working Document – this means that it should reflect one's needs and it should change, therefore be added to as one's needs change.

For some say the bible is God's thoughts expressed to mankind. If this was the case, when and why did He stop expressing His thoughts to us?

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of [the Holy Spirit of] God.

In the OT., beginning with Moses and the Law, upto God's sacrifice for sin, "the Lamb of God", all lived in the "Age of Indignation".
That Age came to an end, ever since the death and resurrection of Christ.

We all now, are in the "Age of God's Grace", which is still on going, through having faith in Christ.

 

[Earburner]

Of course, Gabriel was there in chapter 8 - now then, what was the reason that Gabriel himself tells us that he came to reveal the 70 Weeks in Daniel 9?

Dan. 9[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment [from God] came forth [to me], and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The 70 weeks is not a vision, but rather a condensed explanation of ALL that Daniel saw, concerning the VISION of the 4 beasts and the 2300 DAYS.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hi P-777,

I would agree “AN” anti-Christ IS one who DOES NOT hold the standing of Belief IN Jesus being the Christ …

AS WELL, “AN” anti-Christ IS one who ELEVATES himself (or an other) in position EQUAL or HIGHER than the Lord God Almighty.

i would also mention there ARE “many” anti-Christs who occupy this Earth. (Celestials and Terrestrials).

Among “all” of the “anti-Christs”…. ONE (whose Original Estate WAS IN Heaven and Presently ON Earth…
* IS: presently Influencing many of manKIND, to establish a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT,
(And observed for Decades by the LEAGUES of Nations … UN, EU, Arabs, etc….
to evolve into a ONE WORLD SITTING Governor (President, King, or whatever is chosen for the Title).
* WILL become established.
* WHO WILL be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to Suffer A Mortal Wound, and Physical Death.
* WHO WILL also be witnessed by terrestrial (Human) men, to REVIVE, Resume Living after suffering a Mortal Wound.
* WHO SHALL BE: the ONE (celestial) ASSUMING A BODY IN the APPEARANCE, as the mortally killed, (Terrestrial, “president” of the One World Government)….
WHOM at that Time…that ONE SHALL ALSO DECLARE himself to BE “God”.
* THAT ONE IS “THEE” (head, leader, primary, ancient, well noted…Anti-Christ).
* THAT ONE leads, directs, ALL other “anti-Christs”.
* THAT ONE SHALL appease…two fold “groups” who have since ancient times…
Fostered the Concerns and views of the population of people at large….
* THAT BEING…
1) The Political Governing Power position.
2) The Religious “governing” power position.
* Which is to NOT IGNORE…the “Religious” “side-kick” of the “ONE” in the political governing power seat.
* THAT “religious side-kick…NOT YET Personally REVEALED (but yet holding opinions of being suspect)…. HAS HAD “their TITLE Revealed….AKA…”THE FALSE PROPHET”.
* The “False Prophet’s” position SHALL be to advocate, promote, encourage, assure, appease, the “religious sector” of the People at Large….to CONCEDE, SUBMIT, AGREE…with the ONE seated in position of WORLD governance…that “he IS god”.

The ONE is Satan himself.
The “side-kick” FALSE PROPHET has a few ancient and historical “POSITIONS”, and a LIST of many men who have occupied those positions…(TO THIS DAY)…
WHO are “suspect”…TO BE SEATED, by the appointment of Satan himself.

Christianity…
Islam…
Judaism…
Hinduism…
Buddhism…
Satanism…
Etal. have their “prominate” seated “leaders”,
And are scrutinized closely for their “behaviors” that “indicate” a curious leaning and support in opposition to Gods acceptable behavior.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hey, bro, we must remember that the "antichrist" is the same as the "beast of Rev 13" and the "whore riding the beast of Rev 17" and the "Man of Sin" and the "Little Horn of Daniel" etc. God's just reviewing and adding details like any good teacher.

 

[Phoneman777]

Dan. 9[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment [from God] came forth [to me], and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

The 70 weeks is not a vision, but rather a condensed explanation

Hallelujah. That's exactly right. When Gabriel told Daniel to sit up and listen so that his confusion could be resolved, the 70 Weeks dropped.

So, when Gabriel says the 70 are "cut off" - he's talking about these 490 days being "cut off" from the larger 2300 days - the two prophecies are connected!

The 70 Weeks point Daniel's focus UPWARD to the sanctuary in heaven and our Messiah Who would become our High Priest and cleanse the heavenly sanctuary.

By dropping the 70 Weeks prophecy, Daniel finally understood that it wasn't the earthly sanctuary that would be polluted for 2300 years - the one he expected Israel to soon return home to and rebuild - but the heavenly sanctuary that would be under attack century after century by the Little Horn.

of ALL that Daniel saw, concerning the VISION of the 4 beasts and the 2300 DAYS.

Not exactly - the 70 Weeks and the 2300 Days start at the same time: 457 B.C. with the decree of Artaxerxes.

When the 70 Week fulfilled first, they would "seal up the vision" or "be a seal of assurance the 2300 would also be fulfilled."

 

[One 2 question]

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of [the Holy Spirit of] God.

I'd strongly agree with my brother Paul here. It resonates with the Spirit within me that my faith is in the power of my Creators Who made heaven and earth, being a clear display of Their power and Their wisdom.

Having received new revelation, well, new to me, of the sovereign Father and Creators, it has really increased my faith in Them and Their ability to do whatever They desire, knowing that nothing is impossible for Them. Now this new vision of Them is beyond any words I can currently find to describe how this makes me feel and believe in this present moment.

 

[Earburner]

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of [the Holy Spirit of] God.

In the OT., beginning with Moses and the Law, upto God's sacrifice for sin, "the Lamb of God", all lived in the "Age of Indignation".
That Age came to an end, ever since the death and resurrection of Christ.

We all now, are in the "Age of God's Grace", which is still on going, through having faith in Christ.

 

[Earburner]

I'd strongly agree with my brother Paul here. It resonates with the Spirit within me that my faith is in the power of my Creators Who made heaven and earth, being a clear display of Their power and Their wisdom.

Having received new revelation, well, new to me, of the sovereign Father and Creators, it has really increased my faith in Them and Their ability to do whatever They desire, knowing that nothing is impossible for Them. Now this new vision of Them is beyond any words I can currently find to describe how this makes me feel and believe in this present moment.

Please see my edit in my recent post. #382
Thanks.

 

[One 2 question]

Please see my edit in my recent post. #382
Thanks.

Thanks

 

[One 2 question]

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of [the Holy Spirit of] God.

In the OT., beginning with Moses and the Law, upto God's sacrifice for sin, "the Lamb of God", all lived in the "Age of Indignation".
That Age came to an end, ever since the death and resurrection of Christ.

We all now, are in the "Age of God's Grace", which is still on going, through having faith in Christ.

Yes, I can see why someone first came up with the term, "Age of God's Grace" and if they meant, the age that continues until ALL beings, human and not human are redeemed by the blood of God's Lamb, then I say, amen!

Most do not extend God's grace into eternity when it will display possibly the full potential of the blood of Christ, when it cleanses the sins of ALL. Yes, when ALL will have faith in the Christ Who will redeem and reconcile ALL beings to their Creator.

Now that is super exciting. What joy this truth generates in those whose hope is in the restoration of ALL things. God will be glorified forever!

 

[Earburner]

Hallelujah. That's exactly right. When Gabriel told Daniel to sit up and listen so that his confusion could be resolved, the 70 Weeks dropped.

No, you are misunderstanding that the 2300 days is literally 24 hour days, whereas the 70 weeks x 7 days is literally 490 years (each day equals a year).
The going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto [the appearance of] the Messiah (Dan. 9:25), had nothing to do with the 2300 days. The 2300 DAYS was ONLY about the temple sanctuary being desolated and then cleansed.
Dan. 12
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and [to the time of] the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days [1290 days- within the 2300 days].
[12] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty [1335] days [45 days later].

Dan. 9:25 is about the restoring and the building of JERUSALEM ONLY!
[25] Know therefore and understand, that FROM the going forth of the commandment TO restore and TO build JERUSALEM [Not the temple sanctuary] unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two [69] weeks [483 years]: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troubleous times [again, NOT the temple sanctuary, because the sanctuary HAD ALREADY BEEN CLEANSED/RESTORED in 164 BC].

Judas Maccabeus - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So, when Gabriel says the 70 are "cut off" - he's talking about these 490 days being "cut off" from the larger 2300 days - the two prophecies are connected!

I strongly disagree. Dan. 9:26 specifically says WHO it was that was "cut off" and not that of what was cut off.
Dan. 9[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people [army of Rome] of the prince [Titus-70AD.] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The 70 Weeks point Daniel's focus UPWARD to the sanctuary in heaven and our Messiah Who would become our High Priest and cleanse the heavenly sanctuary.

You are close to understanding how Jesus used "the Abomination that maketh desolate" to Himself, by Him applying typology to a prophecy that WAS FULFILLED by both Antiochus Epiphanes lV and Judas Maccabeus.

By dropping the 70 Weeks prophecy, Daniel finally understood that it wasn't the earthly sanctuary that would be polluted for 2300 years - the one he expected Israel to soon return home to and rebuild - but the heavenly sanctuary that would be under attack century after century by the Little Horn.

I disagree with your understanding.

Not exactly - the 70 Weeks and the 2300 Days start at the same time: 457 B.C. with the decree of Artaxerxes.

Actually, you are misinformed, because you do not comprehend that the the 2300 day prophecy is the literal counting of 24 hour DAYS, and the 70 Weeks prophecy is a calculation of transposing weeks into literal YEARS.

When the 70 Week fulfilled first, they would "seal up the vision" or "be a seal of assurance the 2300 would also be fulfilled."

The "sealing up of the vision" was one of the six works of God, given to Jesus to do and to "Finish". Dan. 9:24; John 17:4.

 

[Earburner]

Yes, I can see why someone first came up with the term, "Age of God's Grace" and if they meant, the age that continues until ALL beings, human and not human are redeemed by the blood of God's Lamb, then I say, amen!

Most do not extend God's grace into eternity when it will display possibly the full potential of the blood of Christ, when it cleanses the sins of ALL. Yes, when ALL will have faith in the Christ Who will redeem and reconcile ALL beings to their Creator.

Now that is super exciting. What joy this truth generates in those whose hope is in the restoration of ALL things. God will be glorified forever!

I see that you agree that the Eternal Son of God, Jesus, came to us in the flesh, to be the sin-bearer for the sins of all mankind. I agree!
But the overall issue is biblically portrayed much differently, than what you are currently believing.
Heb. 9[28] So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and [but] unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation [being no longer the "sin-bearer"]

 

[Taken]

Thanks for being honest here. Maybe most Christians know this to be true but won't dare express it. So thanks again for acknowledging this truth.


This was put quite diplomatically with the words, 'enough' and 'familiar'.

I'm thinking if the Spirit didn't come to the first members of the church on the day of Penticost and thereafter to now and until the end of this age then would the truth that Jesus delivered to His first disciples, in your opinion, be 'enough'? Or did we need post Penticost teaching, doctrine, revelation, prophecy etc. to become 'familiar' with the Lord God?

Before “THE” Church, Be it persons in the OT, Be it any child born of any Era, Knowledge is little by little, bit by bit, (enough), for an individual to become “familiar”, (introduced, hearing about, learning about, the Lord God Almighty.)

God IS Spirit, manKind is naturally born WITH and HAS a “natural” spirit.

Regardless of Era…OT to This Day…manKind steadily “increasing” their “knowledge” ABOUT God, “are increasing” their “familiarity” WITH God…WHICH IS “in effect” / “in turn”, getting the reaction of God to BE ”WITH” that individual.

An individual WITH God, and God WITH that individual…IS when / where by “TRUST”, “FAITH”, begins developing. (As well, little by little, bit by bit).

* This WITH is ALSO, when / where by; an individual “CAN” decide, choose, to No Longer, Not “BE WITH” God:
* (and Anciently, Historically, Modernly there are a Plethora of “reasons” individual manKind has decided, chosen, exercised their Freewill to No longer ”BE WITH” God…
* (and “IN-TURN” God Himself, shall “No Longer”, Be WITH” that individual.

^^ That has occurred Anciently, Historically and Modernly.

** Anciently, Historically (for 4,000 Years)…the WITH…the WITH OUT…regularly occurred.

** For the past 2,000+ Years… Discoveries, Knowledge, has “increased” exponentially.

** ALSO for the past 2,000+ Years…manKIND was “OFFERED”…an “order and way”… BEYOND “being WITH the Lord God”…
** TO…HAVING the Spirit of God, “IN” the individual, and the individual “IN” the Spirit of God….
** ALSO…Having the “Assured Inclusion promise from the Lord God”….
THAT….”He SHALL NEVER Leave that individual”.
** AND…. “BY the Lord Gods Spirit (Power) WITH-IN that individual, Neither SHALL that individual Ever Leave the Lord God.”

** “IF and WHEN” an individual decides, chooses, elects, declares, COMMITS to accepting (THAT aforementioned OFFER, according TO the Lord Gods order and way)…
THAT individual “IS” ….
Forgiv-EN…(past tense)
Restor-ED…(past tense)
Sanctifi-ED…(past tense)
Cleans-ED…(past tense)
Quicken-ED…(past tense)
Ma-DE anew…(past tense)
Deliver-ED…(past tense)
Seal-ED…(past tense)
Escap-ED….(past tense)

An individual having freely, decided, chosen, elected, “heartfully” Committed, to that which the Lord God OFFERED, (according to the Lord God’s Order and Way)…
“IS” a forever agreed relationship established between that one Individual AND the Lord God Almighty…
* Regardless “IF”…other individuals BELIEVE that, or BELIEVE in that a possibility…
IS MOOT.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yes, it is great to know God has been speaking, communicating, wording His thoughts to individuals since our beginning.

And to think He isn't restricted to expressing Himself to humans and animals but communicates with the rest of His creation who express their frustration to Him and He conveys His plans for them.

I know I foolishly believed the lie that my Creators restricted Themselves to the point of only communicating to us through a compilation of scrolls, now known as the bible.

I thanks Them often for delivering me from this man built bondage and restriction so that now I experience the new found freedom to explore a broader understanding of my Creators in my everyday life.

Getting to know and understand Them more beyond the extremly limited parameters of the bible has definatly increased my love for Them.

Agree.

I welcome and invite you to come join us beyond the bible. Come graze outside the sheep pen. Freedom lies everywhere, inside the pen and beyond where we can find pasture.

Preaching to the choir.

Is the Spirit of Christ calling you and inviting you to 'come' to Him now? My encouragement is if you hear Him communicate this to you to respond by accepting His invitation. To experience this freedom is truly wonderful. He is truly wonderful!

Thanks, however I Already am IN Christ and my testimony Already has testified to that fact.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

One thing that struck me was that my connection with Holy Spirit was mostly transactional and rarely relational.

If I expressed my intent to receive, believe and act on the information (truth) He delivers to me then He would do His part by delivering truth.

It's Iike transating with a vending machine.
1. If I put in the correct amount of money and push certain numbers
2. The machine will drop the requested item.
Then getting what I want, I can go my way and we become independent of each other.

This has changed. The Spirit and I are more relational these days. We just interact all day long. I don't have to perform a transaction eg. Read a certain book, pray certain prayer or attend a certain meeting, in order to get something from Him. We just hang out together and are never apart from each other. Our spirit are united and are one, never disconnected. This is soooo fantastic to know, understand and experience personally.

You are describing the “results” of the “transition” from being “with” the Lord to being “with-IN” the Lord.

A MAJOR part of being “with-IN” the Lord and the Lord “with-IN” a man…
IS in regard to the “WORKS” the Lord does, during the “transition” concerning a mans “spirit”.

A natural born man has a “natural spirit”…
Which is simply, “a man’s natural TRUTH in his Heart”.

A natural man, being MADE “born again”, is a mans “natural spirit” (born of a natural mans “seed”), becoming “born again” of Gods “SEED”.
Thus Effecting that mans “new spirit” the ability to Receive, Have, Retain, “Gods TRUTH”…(which by default supersedes a natural mans Truth)…
AND…”that” man, is called…Having been Baptized by the Holy Spirit…Having received … “THE Spirit of Truth”… (Gods Truth) …
…WHO, continually FEEDS that individual “Gods TRUTH”….
…AND…thus circling around BACK TO… the QUESTION OF… “IS ALL the Lord God wants us to KNOW, limited in the Book of Scriptures? No.

The relationship between that ONE man and the Lord God…has evolved from a familiarity, to a Deep PERSONAL one on one Committed Relationship.

Sort of like, man and woman meeting, getting to know one another, spending time together, scheduling time to be together, to be apart (such as dating), evolving to a Deep personal one on one Committed Relationship.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Hey, bro, we must remember that the "antichrist" is the same as the "beast of Rev 13" and the "whore riding the beast of Rev 17" and the "Man of Sin" and the "Little Horn of Daniel" etc. God's just reviewing and adding details like any good teacher.

Sure.

Anti-Christ…”IS” individuals, groups, government systems, religious systems, organizations, any individuals join, adhere to, promote, or that which individuals become overpowered and constrained (against desire)…

ALL…accredited to ONE (celestial) who was the FIRST to do and instigate, and others (celestials AND terrestrial manKind) assumes, adopts, perpetuates, agrees, mimics the SAME anti-Christ ideals and methods.

God Bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[One 2 question]

You are describing the “results” of the “transition” from being “with” the Lord to being “with-IN” the Lord.

A MAJOR part of being “with-IN” the Lord and the Lord “with-IN” a man…
IS in regard to the “WORKS” the Lord does, during the “transition” concerning a mans “spirit”.

A natural born man has a “natural spirit”…
Which is simply, “a man’s natural TRUTH in his Heart”.

A natural man, being MADE “born again”, is a mans “natural spirit” (born of a natural mans “seed”), becoming “born again” of Gods “SEED”.
Thus Effecting that mans “new spirit” the ability to Receive, Have, Retain, “Gods TRUTH”…(which by default supersedes a natural mans Truth)…
AND…”that” man, is called…Having been Baptized by the Holy Spirit…Having received … “THE Spirit of Truth”… (Gods Truth) …
…WHO, continually FEEDS that individual “Gods TRUTH”….
…AND…thus circling around BACK TO… the QUESTION OF… “IS ALL the Lord God wants us to KNOW, limited in the Book of Scriptures? No.

The relationship between that ONE man and the Lord God…has evolved from a familiarity, to a Deep PERSONAL one on one Committed Relationship.

Sort of like, man and woman meeting, getting to know one another, spending time together, scheduling time to be together, to be apart (such as dating), evolving to a Deep personal one on one Committed Relationship.

Glory to God,
Taken

Well put. Yes, being one with eachother like a marriage relationship. The friendship union is very special where it's also going through many many joint shared experiences.

The 2 spirits, God's and mine, reflect and reminisce on past joint experiences which is pretty cool too.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, you are misunderstanding that the 2300 days is literally 24 hour days, whereas the 70 weeks x 7 days is literally 490 years (each day equals a year).

Good gravy, man, don't you care about consistent eschatological interpretation? In prophetic passages, "time" is as symbolic as beasts, horns, winds, wings, etc.

If "Consistency, thou art a jewel" - then "Inconsistency, thou art cubic zirconia junk".

Protestant Historicism requires no such inconsistency, no gaps, no uninspired apocryphal propaganda, and no pseudepigraphical nonsense. Thanks for the discussion, but I see now that it's pointless to continue.

 

[Phoneman777]

Sure.

Anti-Christ…”IS” individuals, groups, government systems, religious systems, organizations, any individuals join, adhere to, promote, or that which individuals become overpowered and constrained (against desire)…

ALL…accredited to ONE (celestial) who was the FIRST to do and instigate, and others (celestials AND terrestrial manKind) assumes, adopts, perpetuates, agrees, mimics the SAME anti-Christ ideals and methods.

God Bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

We must be careful not to over generalize that which God has specifically pointed out. If we start the prophetic timeline at Babylon, following it leads us right to the fall of Rome, the rise of the Ten Barbarian tribes, war against the Three Tribes which opposed the Bishop of Rome, and finally the 1,260 year reign of the papacy once the Three Tribes were "plucked up by the roots".

God bless you too, friend.

 

[Earburner]

Good gravy, man, don't you care about consistent eschatological interpretation? In prophetic passages, "time" is as symbolic as beasts, horns, winds, wings, etc.

If "Consistency, thou art a jewel" - then "Inconsistency, thou art cubic zirconia junk".

Protestant Historicism requires no such inconsistency, no gaps, no uninspired apocryphal propaganda, and no pseudepigraphical nonsense. Thanks for the discussion, but I see now that it's pointless to continue.

Sorry to hear that you "jumped ship", trying to avoid the literal history of the "Messiah being cut off, but not for Himself".
But still, after many posts, you have not provided the scripture for your use of the words: "cut off", and you call me inconsistent??
So, don't fault me for being inconsistent with anything that I have provided for detail, with scripture and historic documentation, to back up what I have shown.

What can I say further, concerning the KJV scripture of Dan. 9:26, except that you are reading it from a spurious Bible, and/or you have been terribly misled and deceived!

You do have a problem: 1 Cor. 2:5. You have revealed your "stand", which is where we are clearly told not to stand!!