Cause of earthquakes

[tailgator]

Am I the only person on this board who understands that when nation rises against nation,they have the power to cause earthquakes,pestilences and great fearful sights in the heavens?

Luke 21​

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:​

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11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.​

Is it that hard to understand people will flee when they see these fearful sights in the heavens?



Luke 21
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Mark 13
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

 

[tailgator]

On the day of the Lord,there will be a severe earthquake and a cloud ascends into heaven from Jerusalem.


Is there anyone on this board besides myself who understands what a nation might do to cause that earthquake in Jerusalem and that cloud to ascend into heaven on that day ?


Revelation 11
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.




This earthquake takes place 3.5 days after Jerusalem falls to its enemies(the beast from the abyss) .Is there anyone on this board who understands Israels military doctrine that is to be enacted after Israel is overcome by its enemies?
The same military doctrine that causes a severe earthquake and causes the heavens to depart from.the earth as scroll being rolled together?


Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

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Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?




And these people telling the rocks of the mountains to fall on us.They are in judea where the people fled to the mountains after seeing the great fearful sights in the heavens.




Luke 23

28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Am I the only person on this board who understands that when nation rises against nation,they have the power to cause earthquakes,pestilences and great fearful sights in the heavens?

Yes you are, most people read these verses as warning signs, not as being caused by the nations .

Luke 21:8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”

10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

These things will happen but not caused by wars.

 

[tailgator]

Yes you are, most people read these verses as warning signs, not as being caused by the nations .

Luke 21:8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”

10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

These things will happen but not caused by wars.

So you believe when a nation rises against nation ,and causes earthquakes and great sights in the heavens,that it is not a war.


When the king of the north goes forth with a great fleet of ships to destroy and annihilate many on the day of the Lord,do you also say that is not war?


Daniel 11

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.



You say this is not a war?

 

[Windmill Charge]

So you believe when a nation rises against nation ,and causes earthquakes and great sights in the heavens,that it is not a war.


When the king of the north goes forth with a great fleet of ships to destroy and annihilate many on the day of the Lord,do you also say that is not war?


Daniel 11

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.



You say this is not a war?

No I saying that any great and wonderful signs seen on the earth or in the heavens will not be caused by two nations going to war, but by God.

 

[tailgator]

No I saying that any great and wonderful signs seen on the earth or in the heavens will not be caused by two nations going to war, but by God.

So where in this does it say God rises against nation and there will be great earthquakes?

Luke 21​

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:​

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.​

 

[Jay Ross]

PS: - The translators got the translation of the Greek word "Seimos" wrong and this has led many to the wrong conclusion. The meaning of "Seimos" is actual "turmoil" and not "earthquake" as the translators have suggested in their translations. If we change the word "earthquake" used for "seimos" with turmoil, it will make more sense when we read the scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Deborah_]

Just because verse 10 comes after verse 11, it doesn't follow that the events in verse 10 cause the events in verse 11.

 

[tailgator]

Just because verse 10 comes after verse 11, it doesn't follow that the events in verse 10 cause the events in verse 11.

Seeing the nations have been given the weapons that makes the earthquake and great sights in the heavens such as the heavens departing as a scroll being rolled together,it sure looks like the nations are accomplishing what they have been given power to do.

 

[tailgator]

PS: - The translators got the translation of the Greek word "Seimos" wrong and this has led many to the wrong conclusion. The meaning of "Seimos" is actual "turmoil" and not "earthquake" as the translators have suggested in their translations. If we change the word "earthquake" used for "seimos" with turmoil, it will make more sense when we read the scriptures.

Shalom

Word: seismoj

Pronounce: sice-mos'

Strongs Number: G4578

Orig: from 4579; a commotion, i.e. (of the air) a gale, (of the ground) an earthquake:--earthquake, tempest. G4579

Use: TDNT-7:196,1014 Noun Masculine

Heb Strong: H5591 H7494

1. 1) a shaking, a commotion2) a tempest3) an earthquake

For the ancient Greeks, "seismos" meant an earthquake. Later on, when the study of earthquakes became a science, anything seismic meant anything related to the study of the pressures in the Earth's crust.

 

[tailgator]

Just because verse 10 comes after verse 11, it doesn't follow that the events in verse 10 cause the events in verse 11.

PS
This is the day of the earthquakes in diverse places.
The day of the Lord.

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

 

[Jay Ross]

Word: seismoj

Pronounce: sice-mos'

Strongs Number: G4578

Orig: from 4579; a commotion, i.e. (of the air) a gale, (of the ground) an earthquake:--earthquake, tempest. G4579

Use: TDNT-7:196,1014 Noun Masculine

Heb Strong: H5591 H7494

1. 1) a shaking, a commotion2) a tempest3) an earthquake

For the ancient Greeks, "seismos" meant an earthquake. Later on, when the study of earthquakes became a science, anything seismic meant anything related to the study of the pressures in the Earth's crust.

I have no argument with the definition that you presented, as that was what was originally perceived, however, in Matthew it described the earthquake that occurred when Christ died, not with G4578 but with G:4579 and the Centurian a few verses further described the turmoil that was occurring in Jerusalem recorded as G:4578.

From my research, if the variations of G:4578 is translated using variation of "turmoil", it makes more sense. An earthquake cannot happen in a fluid, but a fluid can be in great turmoil. When the angel descended from heaven to roll the stone away, the tomb guard was in great turmoil because they had seen an Angel come to roll the stone away. It is impossible to have an earthquake in the fluid called air.

But you are welcome to hold to your POV. I will hold to mine.

Shalom

 

[tailgator]

I have no argument with the definition that you presented, as that was what was originally perceived, however, in Matthew it described the earthquake that occurred when Christ died, not with G4578 but with G:4579 and the Centurian a few verses further described the turmoil that was occurring in Jerusalem recorded as G:4578.

From my research, if the variations of G:4578 is translated using variation of "turmoil", it makes more sense. An earthquake cannot happen in a fluid, but a fluid can be in great turmoil. When the angel descended from heaven to roll the stone away, the tomb guard was in great turmoil because they had seen an Angel come to roll the stone away. It is impossible to have an earthquake in the fluid called air.

But you are welcome to hold to your POV. I will hold to mine.

Shalom

I'm discussing nation rising against nation causing great earthquakes a fearful sights in the heavens.


Earthquakes and fearful sights in the heavens like this .

It even comes equipped with it's very own lake of fire.

 

[Deborah_]

Seeing the nations have been given the weapons that makes the earthquake and great sights in the heavens such as the heavens departing as a scroll being rolled together,it sure looks like the nations are accomplishing what they have been given power to do.

What "weapon" is capable of causing an earthquake? (A genuine earthquake, rather than just the shock of an explosion)

 

[tailgator]

What "weapon" is capable of causing an earthquake? (A genuine earthquake, rather than just the shock of an explosion)

A genuine earthquake like the earth actually shakes?

The same one which makes the heavens depart as a scroll being rolled together .
Or the one which can make Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years.

 

[tailgator]

What "weapon" is capable of causing an earthquake? (A genuine earthquake, rather than just the shock of an explosion)

Donald Trump says he would have Iran obliterated .
What kind of a weapon would obliterate Iran so that nothing is left as he says?

Trump says he's given advisers instructions for Iran to be 'obliterated' if it assassinates him

President Donald Trump says he’s given his advisers instructions to obliterate Iran if it assassinates him.

apnews.com

And this is the same man who planted the Tabernacles of his palace in Jerusalem.The same man who wants to divide the land for gain.

 

[MA2444]

Am I the only person on this board who understands that when nation rises against nation,they have the power to cause earthquakes,pestilences and great fearful sights in the heavens?

Luke 21​

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:​

​

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.​

Is it that hard to understand people will flee when they see these fearful sights in the heavens?



Luke 21
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Mark 13
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

I've heard of a few things which cause earthquakes and pestilences. Those HAARP Antennas that the military has in Alaska can cause earthquakes on demand, just by shooting a beam into the ground. Many people suspect that Japan's big earthquake which causes the tidal wave in Japan was done deliberately by the US govt.

And I heard that the reason that the US wants to help defend Ukraine is that we have several biological labs where they cook up (pestelinces) That the govt built them overseas to sidestep Constitutional law and so forth.

Now I've also heard that, remember when Jesus died on the cross and went to helll/sheol/Abrahams Bosom for 3 days. He set the captives free by paying the price for our sin and all of them in Abrahams bosom left with the Lord earlt sunday morning.

But it has been over 2000 years since then, and humans have continued to die and hell has been filling up all these years, so they have to expand underground inside the earth. And over time there has been so much expansion and dirt moved around underneath the surface of the earth that it has affected the continental plates and how they move around. So When that happens there are more earthquakes and more Volcanic activity all over the planet. Which is what we have been seeing all over, the increase in frequency of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

 

[MA2444]

Oh and about the they can create fearful sights in the skies. I saw some videos about the contrails that the planes disperse microscoic flecks of aluminum into the atmosphere, and supposedly, it is trying to control the weather and seeding clouds and stuff but it is more than that and that what they can actually do with that is to turn the sky into a giant movie screen and play what they want to.

 

[Jay Ross]

I'm discussing nation rising against nation causing great earthquakes a fearful sights in the heavens.


Earthquakes and fearful sights in the heavens like this .

And it is the turmoil associated with nations rising up against each other that is recorded in the seventh bowl judgement, describing the first and second world wars.

Blind faith that the Biblical translations are a perfect rendition of the originally recorded scriptures is what is creating much strife today.

Oh well, we will both need to agree to agree to disagree with each other.

Goodbye