Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

Boy how benighted can you be! Of course critics will dismiss his work. Back then critics were critical not like siskel and Ebert! In case you didn't know. And wiki is simply reporting, not endor4sing or disagreeing with those who were critical of Hislop. But if I supplied a list of people who supported Hislops work, you would find a way to dismiss them as uneducated rubes! Just think, it is us uneducated rubes Jesus sought out teh most!!!!!

but Hislop cites hundreds of references to support His claims or show the history and development of something- but because He speaks against Romanism He cannot be reliable. I don't agree with several of his conclusionsw, but doctrinally His premises are correct.

Well cite one lie I have said about Romanism and show why it is a lie. You are awesome at vomiting out accusations.

PLEASE - L publicly challenge yo to provide me with a list of qualified historical scholars that agree with Hislop's nonsense.
Hislop hads been DEBUNKED - and NO credible scholar agrees with him.

 

[Mungo]

You know Biblegateway has many more translations than the ones you selected. Naturally, if you remove all the evidence that goes against your doctrine, then it only appears that the evidence supports your doctrine.

Don't judge me by your standards.

I copied all the ones it gave me.

In any event, Paul made a statement of faith. Thomas was speaking for himself. My cereal. My Milk v 'For us there is one God, the Father.' 1 Cor 8:6

Thomas gave a statement of faith.

 

[Mungo]

Lying again doesn't make your false claim any truer! When you will accept evidentiary sources I have listed so far, I will gladly supply some more. But that will require humility on your part.

As I keep saying. If you have evidence then present it.

You failure to do so suggest you have none, or none that would stand up to scrutiny.

 

[TheslightestID]

Mary= blessed but still just a woman in need of the Savior=Jesus.

Exactly, it's clear she was chosen because she was a good woman, but don't make a religion out of it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

PLEASE - L publicly challenge yo to provide me with a list of qualified historical scholars that agree with Hislop's nonsense.
Hislop hads been DEBUNKED - and NO credible scholar agrees with him.

As soon as you provide evidence with your accusation that I have lied about catholics! You accused me of lying- now put up or shut up!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As I keep saying. If you have evidence then present it.

You failure to do so suggest you have none, or none that would stand up to scrutiny.

As soon as you povide an answer to my question.

 

[Taken]

And for ALL of your empty blathering and verbose denials -

After being shown you (a self proclaimed teacher of Catholic doctrine and behaviors) jumped in off point making slanderous accusations, you begin your next opening statement with libelist accusations.

ONE thing remains: Jesus is the SEED of Mary (Gen 3:15).
Therefore, Mary is His BIOLOGICAL mother.
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If you "understood" Scripture 'according to Gods understanding", you would understand;

* God could NOT fertilize a human womans seed, with HIS SEED.
* That would MAKE God A FRAUD, by punishing Angels for fertilizing a human woman's seed, sending those spirit angels to Hell...while God doing the same thing (as you suggest), then sits in the Heavenly High Place. Ridiculous!
* God can NOT, REPRODUCE an Offspring without a beginning...Duh, something REPRODUCE, HAS A BEGINING! God Has NO Beginning, and can not reproduce something with no beginning! Pfff
* Scripture Clearly, reveals, and I have quoted...Jesus came FORTH OUT FROM GOD....(John 16: 27) duh...that is not a reproduction!
* Humans Reproduce from human Seeds.
* Spirits that copulated with human females, fertilized human womans seeds ....were cursed and sent to Hell.
* God does not reproduce.

For Jesus to be ONLY Spirit -

Jesus came as a Man, In a body God prepared, with Flesh and Blood.

The Knowledge of Jesus' Spirit being the CHRIST, was revealed AFTER Jesus was revealed ON earth.

He would not have had a body of flesh.

He HAD a body of FLESH....BECAUSE GOD PREPARED Him a BODY of FLESH...

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou (God) prepared me:

Jesus' Flesh Body, was wholly Gods Works...and had nothing to do with Mary's seed!

The ENTIRE reason for being born of a woman was so that he would be flesh and blood - as well as God.

Pfff - Far from the "entire" reason!
The reason Jesus was sent in the Flesh Body God prepared, was so stiffnecked men who could not believe Gods Word...
WITHOUT SEEING....COULD SEE!

Additionally, He was SENT to Fulfill Gods Word that He would WALK among men!

Additionally, He was SENT to Fulfill the Law, which in turn would release Gods People ISRAEL from the consequences of the " Curse Laws".

Additionally, He was Sent to Fulfill the Law, Be Lawfully (according to mans Law), a Legal descendant Of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David....and BY mans Law....Have LAWFUL TITLE to King Davids everlasting Throne.

And, by being a declared LAWFUL descendant of Abraham, Have Spiritual decreed Inheritance entitlement to Abraham's Promised LAND.

Gen. 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The SEED of EVE, (the WOMAN) is her natural offspring.
Not a new revelation...
"Enmity between the Serpent and the Woman" (EVE) existed.
"Enmity between the Serpent and the Woman (Eve's) natural offspring existed.
"Enmity of the Eve's offspring would bruise the Serpents head; "
"The enmity of the Serpents against Eve's offspring would bruise the Serpents heel".

Mary, lawfully became the direct Offspring of Eve, when she became "betrothed", then "married" Joseph. (Man and wife are one flesh). Joseph was of the House of David, having a direct linage to David, Jacob, Issac, Abraham....

God effected His Word to come forth out of His mouth, in a body God Prepared, sent to Mary's womb, by the Power of God, Revealed born of Mary....
Gods WORD, came forth out of Mary Womb
....Called JESUS, Called the Son of man.
....(and foretold to Mary, He "would be called" the Son of God.)
Thirty years later Gods SEED, called CHRIST, and the POWER of GOD, came down from Heaven unto Jesus, it was widely among Jesus' Disciples, revealed Then, Jesus IS Christ.
* It is Christ (the SEED and POWER) of God that ( Bruised the Head of the Serpent, who IS the Devil, who is Satan).

Pretending, preaching MARY in the Woman in Genesis, is nonsense philosophies of men, when Scripture clearly Identifies the First Woman, as Adam named her Eve.

Jesus DID not BEGIN or END with Mary...
Jesus is the Word of God, without beginning.
Christ is the Seed and Power of God, without beginning.

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Luke 1:31
And, behold, THOU SHALT CONCEIVE IN THY WOMB, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

So? No one disputes. Mary was "conceived" (pregnant) in her womb....duh! "CONCEPTION"...the SEED fertilization DOES NOT OCCUR in the WOMB!
Don't you Listen? Learn facts?

Put away your adopted philosophies of men, and Learn Gods Truth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

PLEASE - L publicly challenge yo to provide me with a list of qualified historical scholars that agree with Hislop's nonsense.
Hislop hads been DEBUNKED - and NO credible scholar agrees with him.

I suspect any scholaRr I PROVIDE WILL SIMPLY BE DISMISSED AS UNQUALIFIED IN YOUR GENERIC CHALLENGE.

A few have debunked Hislop or at least think they have, and others have said His work though not perfect is sound!

but here are a few videos for you to peruse and scoff as unqualified!

(1) Origins Of The Babylonian Mystery Religion. History Of The Roman Catholic Church, & The One True Chu - Bing video

(1) Secret History of Papal Rome (Roman Catholic Church) COME OUT of Her! - Bing video

(1) Origins Of The Babylonian Mystery Religion. History Of The Roman Catholic Church, & The One True Chu - Bing video

BTW oh snobbish one: historical scholars are not going to write about connections between any sect of Christendom and paganism unless they are a believi9ng historical scholar. And I don't simply mean a scholar who is a member of a sect but an actual believer!

Now I do not agree with all their conclusions, but much of this has been verified in history by believers and romanism itself.

 

[Mungo]

Well as you refuse ot acknowledge sources that are valid, why should I post them? You will just pooh pooh them off.

Stop prevaricating and tell me why you think bishops have pointy hats.

You reject Hislop, but in casually reviewing his book just now, I found over 200 references to very reliable historical sources! Imagine that!

But have you actually followed them up?

Ralph Woodrow actually did follow them up. He says:
Another thing that seems to seems to give a lot of creditability to Hislop's work is the use of many footnotes and references - "over 260 original sources of facts" a publisher's note says! But having put forth considerable effort to find many of the old books to which he refers, I have discovered that the references often do not match his claims.

As soon as you answer the question I will answer yours. But please provide evidence as well.

I'm waiting for you.

You are all claims and no evidence.
You are the one that raised the issue of bishops mitres.
What is your problem in explaining them?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ralph Woodrow actually did follow them up. He says:
Another thing that seems to seems to give a lot of creditability to Hislop's work is the use of many footnotes and references - "over 260 original sources of facts" a publisher's note says! But having put forth considerable effort to find many of the old books to which he refers, I have discovered that the references often do not match his claims.

And di he cite examples or just wrote that. Who now is making claims with put supplying evidence to support said claims.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm waiting for you.

You are all claims and no evidence.
You are the one that raised the issue of bishops mitres.
What is your problem in explaining them?

If you will not even simply answer my question,

Well then I guess we are done. What you think of me matters not a sub atomic particle.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I suspect any scholaRr I PROVIDE WILL SIMPLY BE DISMISSED AS UNQUALIFIED IN YOUR GENERIC CHALLENGE.

A few have debunked Hislop or at least think they have, and others have said His work though not perfect is sound!

but here are a few videos for you to peruse and scoff as unqualified!

(1) Origins Of The Babylonian Mystery Religion. History Of The Roman Catholic Church, & The One True Chu - Bing video

(1) Secret History of Papal Rome (Roman Catholic Church) COME OUT of Her! - Bing video

(1) Origins Of The Babylonian Mystery Religion. History Of The Roman Catholic Church, & The One True Chu - Bing video

BTW oh snobbish one: historical scholars are not going to write about connections between any sect of Christendom and paganism unless they are a believi9ng historical scholar. And I don't simply mean a scholar who is a member of a sect but an actual believer!

Now I do not agree with all their conclusions, but much of this has been verified in history by believers and romanism itself.

You failed.
I didn't ask you for videos from biased anti-Catholic yahoos - I said CREDIBLE HISTORICAL SCHOLARS.

Give me hard historical FACTS that substantiate Hislop's idiotic claims - not videos.
I've already debunked the Semiramis/Nimrod nonsense.

 

[BreadOfLife]

After being shown you (a self proclaimed teacher of Catholic doctrine and behaviors) jumped in off point making slanderous accusations, you begin your next opening statement with libelist accusations.
If you "understood" Scripture 'according to Gods understanding", you would understand;
* God could NOT fertilize a human womans seed, with HIS SEED.
* That would MAKE God A FRAUD, by punishing Angels for fertilizing a human woman's seed, sending those spirit angels to Hell...while God doing the same thing (as you suggest), then sits in the Heavenly High Place. Ridiculous!
* God can NOT, REPRODUCE an Offspring without a beginning...Duh, something REPRODUCE, HAS A BEGINING! God Has NO Beginning, and can not reproduce something with no beginning! Pfff
* Scripture Clearly, reveals, and I have quoted...Jesus came FORTH OUT FROM GOD....(John 16: 27) duh...that is not a reproduction!
* Humans Reproduce from human Seeds.
* Spirits that copulated with human females, fertilized human womans seeds ....were cursed and sent to Hell.
* God does not reproduce.

Jesus came as a Man, In a body God prepared, with Flesh and Blood.

The Knowledge of Jesus' Spirit being the CHRIST, was revealed AFTER Jesus was revealed ON earth.

He HAD a body of FLESH....BECAUSE GOD PREPARED Him a BODY of FLESH...

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou (God) prepared me:

Jesus' Flesh Body, was wholly Gods Works...and had nothing to do with Mary's seed!

Pfff - Far from the "entire" reason!
The reason Jesus was sent in the Flesh Body God prepared, was so stiffnecked men who could not believe Gods Word...
WITHOUT SEEING....COULD SEE!

Additionally, He was SENT to Fulfill Gods Word that He would WALK among men!

Additionally, He was SENT to Fulfill the Law, which in turn would release Gods People ISRAEL from the consequences of the " Curse Laws".

Additionally, He was Sent to Fulfill the Law, Be Lawfully (according to mans Law), a Legal descendant Of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David....and BY mans Law....Have LAWFUL TITLE to King Davids everlasting Throne.

And, by being a declared LAWFUL descendant of Abraham, Have Spiritual decreed Inheritance entitlement to Abraham's Promised LAND.

The SEED of EVE, (the WOMAN) is her natural offspring.
Not a new revelation...
"Enmity between the Serpent and the Woman" (EVE) existed.
"Enmity between the Serpent and the Woman (Eve's) natural offspring existed.
"Enmity of the Eve's offspring would bruise the Serpents head; "
"The enmity of the Serpents against Eve's offspring would bruise the Serpents heel".

Mary, lawfully became the direct Offspring of Eve, when she became "betrothed", then "married" Joseph. (Man and wife are one flesh). Joseph was of the House of David, having a direct linage to David, Jacob, Issac, Abraham....

God effected His Word to come forth out of His mouth, in a body God Prepared, sent to Mary's womb, by the Power of God, Revealed born of Mary....
Gods WORD, came forth out of Mary Womb
....Called JESUS, Called the Son of man.
....(and foretold to Mary, He "would be called" the Son of God.)
Thirty years later Gods SEED, called CHRIST, and the POWER of GOD, came down from Heaven unto Jesus, it was widely among Jesus' Disciples, revealed Then, Jesus IS Christ.
* It is Christ (the SEED and POWER) of God that ( Bruised the Head of the Serpent, who IS the Devil, who is Satan).

Pretending, preaching MARY in the Woman in Genesis, is nonsense philosophies of men, when Scripture clearly Identifies the First Woman, as Adam named her Eve.

Jesus DID not BEGIN or END with Mary...
Jesus is the Word of God, without beginning.
Christ is the Seed and Power of God, without beginning.

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So? No one disputes. Mary was "conceived" (pregnant) in her womb....duh! "CONCEPTION"...the SEED fertilization DOES NOT OCCUR in the WOMB!
Don't you Listen? Learn facts?

Put away your adopted philosophies of men, and Learn Gods Truth.

And ALL of the psychotic and verbose manure you just posted can be encapsulated by your comment above in RED:
"God could NOT . . ."
The rest of your rant is nothing but a massive attempt to rationalize your disbelief.

Regardless of your pathetic lack of faith - God can do WHATEVER He wills.
God CAN fertilize a woman's egg - and DID so in the case of Mary (Luke 1:31).

HER seed crushed the head of the serpent because GOD says so (Gen. 3:!5) . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jn 10:16 one church

Amigo one verse one . And it aint the RCC .

 

[amigo de christo]

have you ever read he true popes?

This is a question worthy of a like .
Yes . yes i have read a well documented book , by a catholic , and one that supported the RCC .
He was honest enough to say , they had no actual proof that peter and others were popes .
They had historical evidence of popes , i think starting around one hundred and something AD .
SO i read that long , long book . And guess what .
Every pope in it taught falsehoods . THOUGH the man who wrote it , never said they were falsehoods .
Like i said HE agrees with the RCC . The RCC has never had a true leader . It had some
that were not as off as others . But none were true . None . That should scare the socks off your feet .
We need to get in our bibles . We must . i pray for you my friend . I do . Please just return to the bible .

 

[Mungo]

And di he cite examples or just wrote that. Who now is making claims with put supplying evidence to support said claims.

Yes he does - pages of them.

 

[Mungo]

If you will not even simply answer my question,

Actually I don't even know what question you are referring to.

Well then I guess we are done. What you think of me matters not a sub atomic particle.

If we are done it's because you fail to come up with evidence or even explain whatever point you had about bishop's mitres.

 

[Paul Christensen]

proving my point Mary the ever Virgin mother of God, our lady and queen was filled with HS at the first moment of her creation

she caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Hs and JTB to be sanctified in the womb and Zacharias to be filled and give prophecy all in Luke one

All imagination arising from misquote of Scripture.

 

[Taken]

psychotic, manure, pathetic

Your usual MO....LOL

God can do WHATEVER He wills.

God CAN NOT DO corrupt, evil, wickedness.

God CAN fertilize a woman's egg -

Utter nonsense to preach God can DO EVIL.

and DID so in the case of Mary

Nothing whatsoever teaches God fertilized with His Seed, a created creatures seed.

(Luke 1:31)

.

Luke 1:
[31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

An angel telling Mary she "will be" conceived (pregnant) in her womb....is a far cry from making up false claims that...

God CAN and DID fertilize a woman's egg

....

With Gods Seed.

* A spirit fertalizing an earthly womans egg OCCURED and disgusted God to the point He destroyed the Earth with a Flood.

* You preaching God did what He detested, is you attempting to MAKE JESUS, (a created Earthling)....

* You worshiping (your preached) Human Jesus, makes you a worshiper of the created, over the Creator.

Rom 1:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

You have been duped with false philosophies and doctrines of men, outside of the Word of God.

Poor Mary, Bless by God, and remembered for her faithfulness and service unto God, corruptly "MADE" (by men) into an idol of worship, and "after her death" subjected to years of False claims...

Astounding.

 

[Paul Christensen]

And not only that . But JESUS shut any kind of worship of man down .
A lady in the crowd yelled , BLESSED are the paps from which thou did suckle .
AND JESUS said , YEA RATHER BLESSED are those who do the will of GOD who is in heaven .

Yes. Jesus certainly did not acknowledge his mother as the Queen of Heaven.