Bible alone!

[Pearl]

NO there are two natures in Christ

Adam was fully a man, yet he wasn't conceived or birthed by a woman, neither was Eve. With that in mind - that God created people from the dust of the earth - it is fully possible that neither ova nor sperm were used to create Jesus in Mary's womb. Like @amigo de christo said we just don't know for certain, we just apply human logic to it.

 

[Pearl]

fid you see my thread about the HS in the praise forum?

that's three threads and nothing about Mary!

So I have probably posted it in the wrong thread. Do you want me to delete it?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I dont know how far out some of you are willing to go but silence is golden before blasphemy is next.
1.God created all that involves this earth,heavens,seas and all life. God the Father,God Jesus his only begotten son and the word and the Holy Spirit,aka,teacher,comforter! He spoke it into existence and formed man from the ground and breathed the breath of life into him and man became a living soul.
2. Genesis to Revelations is our plumline to God,the Father, it begins and ends with Jesus,the word.
3.God chose a ppl in Abraham from the line of Seth to Adam,whom he created to worship him
2.Sin began in the Garden via the serpent aka,Lucifer,the devil,Satan and through Adam began the FALL of man in his relationship with God.
3. Abraham received the promise in his line for redemption. He was made righteous by obedience then began God to have a wife from the nation Abraham would father of.
4. As the ppl increased many rebellions against what God told them brought consequences, wars and captivity by enemy nations.
5. During a famine the Israelites went down In to Egypt to escape the famine and Abrahams son Joseph was restored whom his brothers sold into slavery by the providence of God.
6. 400 yrs they dwelt in Egypt and adopted the culture of the Egyptians.....then God called them out. 40 yrs due to rebellion,idolatry and wickedness they spent wandering in a small area until God weeded out the culture of rebellion. He then proceeded to take HIS ppl into the promised land.
7.Many wars, battles, overcoming the inhabitants of the land his ppl did a pull me push me relationship with the I am. He sent prophets,judges,leaders,kings,still maintaining that line to Christ or Messiah.
8.At the time of fulfillment of the Messiahs birth prophesied throughout the old testament. A virgin Mary espoused to a man was impregnated by the HOLY SPIRIT,therefore Jesus was made of flesh but still God.
9. So began the Gospel of good news for a REDEEMER was born to deliver his ppl from the wages of sin and death.He ministered 3 yrs among the ppl choosing for himself disciples that would imitate his redemption purposes and share his word to all nations,kindreds,tongues and ppl by the offering the gift of salvation through his death,burial,and resurrection.
10. Since he came with the perfect plan of sacrifice to restore the ppls relationship to the Father,God. We can receive the offered gift of salvation that we may inherit eternally God's promise to Abraham.

How anyone can say it's NOT by God's word alone does NOT know the word of God intimately,and I question if they know him at all!

 

[farouk]

I dont know how far out some of you are willing to go but silence is golden before blasphemy is next.
1.God created all that involves this earth,heavens,seas and all life. God the Father,God Jesus his only begotten son and the word and the Holy Spirit,aka,teacher,comforter! He spoke it into existence and formed man from the ground and breathed the breath of life into him and man became a living soul.
2. Genesis to Revelations is our plumline to God,the Father, it begins and ends with Jesus,the word.
3.God chose a ppl in Abraham from the line of Seth to Adam,whom he created to worship him
2.Sin began in the Garden via the serpent aka,Lucifer,the devil,Satan and through Adam began the FALL of man in his relationship with God.
3. Abraham received the promise in his line for redemption. He was made righteous by obedience then began God to have a wife from the nation Abraham would father of.
4. As the ppl increased many rebellions against what God told them brought consequences, wars and captivity by enemy nations.
5. During a famine the Israelites went down In to Egypt to escape the famine and Abrahams son Joseph was restored whom his brothers sold into slavery by the providence of God.
6. 400 yrs they dwelt in Egypt and adopted the culture of the Egyptians.....then God called them out. 40 yrs due to rebellion,idolatry and wickedness they spent wandering in a small area until God weeded out the culture of rebellion. He then proceeded to take HIS ppl into the promised land.
7.Many wars, battles, overcoming the inhabitants of the land did a pull me push me relationship with the I am. He sent prophets,judges,leaders,kings,still maintaining that line to Christ or Messiah.
8.At the time of fulfillment of the Messiahs birth prophesied throughout the old testament. A virgin Mary espoused to a man was impregnated by the HOLY SPIRIT,therefore Jesus was made of flesh but still God.
9. So began the Gospel of good news for a REDEEMER was born to deliver his ppl from the wages of sin and death.He ministered 3 yrs among the ppl choosing for himself disciples that would imitate his redemption purposes and share his word to all nations,kindreds,tongues and ppl by the offering the gift of salvation through his death,burial,and resurrection.
10. Since he came with the perfect plan of sacrifice to restore the ppls relationship to the Father,God. We can receive the offered gift of salvation that we may inherit eternally God's promise to Abraham.

How anyone can say it's NOT by God's word alone does NOT know the word of God intimately,and I question if they know him at all!

@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d In the end it's back to the Scripture reading and prayer, and continuing in those exercises, whatever anyone else may say.....

 

[theefaith]

So I have probably posted it in the wrong thread. Do you want me to delete it?

it’s all good

 

[Truther]

The Word became flesh is the 1st Promise of God, for us whom HE calls, and HE declared that Prophetic Promise first to satan.

When the word was first made flesh, was that flesh microscopic?

Was it full grown?

 

[Truther]

so the true church of Christ denies the divinity of Christ?

Lk 1: 76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

prepared the way for Jesus so Jesus is the most high! Divine

lk 1:47 God my savior
Jesus is the savior Matt 1:21

Prophets are divine?

 

[Truther]

did Christ have authority to make and send apostles? Yes!

the apostles have same authority power and mission as Christ do they also have authority to make and send apostles

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

If any "apostle" skips Acts 2:38, he is an imposter.

 

[Truther]

Conception according to man also requires a sperm . AND YET that never happened .
MY POINT is NONE of us really knows HOW this occurred . OH BUT I PRAISE GOD THAT IT DID .
FOR IN JESUS CHRIST , WHO IS MY HOPE and MY SALVATION , I have ETERNAL LIFE and A GOOD END .
THE END i never deserved , For i was the worst of the worst , OH BUT PRAISE GOD FOR HIS GRACE GIVEN US IN CHRIST .
FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .

God makes things to make things happen.

He made a sperm cell to fertilize Mary's egg, thus creating the son of God and the son of Mary(mankind).

When Jesus calls himself the son of God, believe him.

When Jesus calls himself the son of man, believe him.

Jesus has genetic lineage from Judah.

 

[Truther]

NO there are two natures in Christ

Correct.

Christ has a human nature and he is fully indwelled, bodily, by his Father's divine nature.

God is not ALSO human.

God is inside a glorified human.

Nobody can see God.

God has a "Jesus" body to be seen through him.

 

[David in NJ]

When the word was first made flesh, was that flesh microscopic?

Was it full grown?

Did Mary conceive by a man?
Did a man's sperm enter Mary's womb?
Does the Scripture say such things as you hold to?

 

[Truther]

Was Mary conceived by a man?
Did a man's sperm enter Mary's womb?
Does the Scripture say such things as you hold to?

God made a sperm cell to fertilize her egg.

God cannot make that?

Would God rather cause her egg to self fertilize, making Himself a non parent to Jesus?

 

[David in NJ]

God made a sperm cell to fertilize her egg.

God cannot make that?

Would God rather cause her egg to self fertilize, making Himself a non parent to Jesus?

Here is what God told us happened and how it happened.

#1 Truth for you that God specifically wants you to know - Numbers 23:19 and John 1:1
God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ELOHIM Father ELOHIM Son ELOHIM Holy Spirit are ONE from BEFORE the world/creation began = John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[Truther]

Here is what God told us happened and how it happened.

#1 Truth for you that God specifically wants you to know - Numbers 23:19 and John 1:1
God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ELOHIM Father ELOHIM Son ELOHIM Holy Spirit are ONE from BEFORE the world/creation began = John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

That glory was being the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He was crucified immediately after the prayer.

 

[David in NJ]

That glory was being the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He was crucified immediately after the prayer.

NOPE - Do not add to God's Words nor take away from them.

READ this again until the DAY dawns upon your spirit/soul/mind and heart.

ELOHIM Father ELOHIM Son ELOHIM Holy Spirit are ONE from BEFORE the world/creation began = John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

#1 Truth for you that God specifically wants you to know - Numbers 23:19 and John 1:1
God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Truther]

NOPE - Do not add to God's Words nor take away from them.

READ this again until the DAY dawns upon your spirit/soul/mind and heart.

ELOHIM Father ELOHIM Son ELOHIM Holy Spirit are ONE from BEFORE the world/creation began = John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

#1 Truth for you that God specifically wants you to know - Numbers 23:19 and John 1:1
God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Peter glorified God through his death.

Jesus did the same.

Jesus had glory, lost it and prayed for it to return???

Nope, the glory of his death is rewarded immediately after his prayer.

 

[David in NJ]

Peter glorified God through his death.

Jesus did the same.

Jesus had glory, lost it and prayed for it to return???

Nope, the glory of his death is rewarded immediately after his prayer.

You misunderstand who ELOHIM IS and the Scripture.

Death is not Glory
Death does not reside in God
Death is a Curse = See Genesis ch3
Death is Condemned to the Lake of Fire for all Eternity = Rev ch20
Demonic Catholic doctrine keeps Jesus on the Cross

"But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world is the Glorious Plan of God that overcame the Curse of Death.
Slain = Sacrifice = Romans 12:1

You have been following false doctrine that twists the scripture ever so slighty to make it seem as if you are on the right path.

Follow the instructions of Romans 12:1-2

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[theefaith]

Prophets are divine?

your full of beans!

probably ate four bowls!

and eating speaks louder than words!

 

[theefaith]

If any "apostle" skips Acts 2:38, he is an imposter.

broken anti-divinity of Christ record!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[theefaith]

Firstly, when the Holy Spirit is said to be a “Person”, this is used to show that He is not a “thing”. On the definition of “person”, the 1913 Webster’s English dictionary says: “A living, self-conscious being, as distinct from an animal or a thing; a moral agent”. This is exactly what the Holy Bible does Teach concerning the Holy Spirit, as we shall seen from the Book of Acts. The use of the term “Person” for the Members of the Godhead, must not be used in the sense of corporeality, or being human. Each “Person” in the Godhead, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and distinct from each other, and are “living, self-conscious, moral Beings”.

The “Personality” of the Holy Spirit:

The Acts of the Holy Spirit:

Speaks through the people, chapters 1:16; 10:19; 11:12; 11:28; 21:11; 28:25

Is Lied to as God and Lord, 5:3, 4, 9

Convicts the sinner of their sins and need to repent, 2:37-38

Is Tested , 5:9

Is a Witness, 5:32; 20:23

Is Resisted,7:51

Sends Barnabas and Saul for work that He has “called” them to, 13:2

Forbids the preaching of the Gospel, 16:6,7

Appoints leaders in the Church, 20:28

Warns of the hardness of peoples hearts, 28:25-27

etc, etc

All of which are only possible by a “living, self-conscious, moral Being”, and not of an impersonal “thing”, like a “power”.

The Deity of The Holy Spirit

“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God…But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord?…” (5:3, 4, 9)

The Apostle Peter says to Anania, that he lied to “The Holy Spirit (το πνευμα το αγιον)”. And then says, in doing so, he actually lied “to the God (τω θεω). And then tells his wife, Sapphira, that they had “tested the Spirit of the Lord”, by their actions.

Here we have the Deity of the Holy Spirit, where He is called “God”, and “the Spirit of the Lord”. Notice the definite article in the Greek, “τω”, with “God”, where it cannot be translated as “god”.

In Chapter 10 we read of the Holy Spirit speaking to Peter, and sending him to the house of Cornelius. In chapter 13, we read of the Believers, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” (verse 2). They worshipped and prayed to The Lord, and it was The Holy Spirit Who responded, and commissioned them to do His work. Only God Himself could do this. The use of “Lord” here is YHWH in the Old Testament. Elsewhere in his Letters, Paul says that he was sent by God, clearly showing the Deity and Personality of the Holy Spirit. In chapter 16, we read that Paul and those with him, were, “forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia” (verse 6). In the text verse we read, “they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them”. In verse 10 we read that they went to “Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them”. Here again, God is used for the Holy Spirit, Who forbids and sends at His will. Very clear teaching that the Holy Spirit is Almighty God, cannot be a mere “power” or “creature”, as some blasphemously teach.

The Holy Spirit is a Distinct Person from the Father and Jesus Christ:

In chapter 1, verses 1 and 2, we read: “Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit”. Here Jesus is shown to be a distinct Person to the Holy Spirit, Who gave “commands through the Holy Spirit”. We have the Greek preposition “διὰ”, which means “to act through another”, which cannot be understood as Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as being one and the same Person.

In chapter 2, verses 17 and 18, we read: “God declares, that I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh”. Here “of”, is the Greek preposition is “ἀπὸ”, which means, “away from”, denoting a distinction.

In verses 32 and 33, we read: “This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing”

Here Jesus Christ (τὸν Ἰησοῦν), Who is a the Right Hand of God the Father, is said to “receive” from the Father (τοῦ θεοῦ), the Holy Spirit (τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ ἁγίου), Whom He “pours out” on the Believers. The Three Persons are here very clearly seen as “distinct” from one another.