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Ritajanice

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I find the Spirit and the word together renews and enLIGHTens my mind. "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path."
I feed on God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit, who has always testified Gods truth to my heart/ spirit then what I hear him speak to my spirit, off I toddle and check out what he says to my spirit with His written word.

I love my Living fellowship with the Living Holy Spirit...he’s my spiritual food I crave throughout the day...he brings me to understanding the written word in spirit...mind Blowing...

A Born Again is a spiritual child of Gods, therefore can only understand the written word in their spirit, as it’s the role of Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit to bring Gods truth to their/ heart/spirit....we communicate Holy Spirit and A Born Again in our spirit....that’s where we know the great I am!! God!!
 
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I said refute what I have posted should you have the exousia to do so-since I strongly believe you don't have what it takes to do proper exegetics nor hermeneutics on any particular verse or passage.

Correct your typo errors.
Hit a nerve, I can tell.
 

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Using special language words doesn’t impress me…

I strongly believe you don't have what it takes to do proper exegetics nor hermeneutics on any particular verse or passage.

You are correct.

I don’t pervert the scriptures with those devices. Nor am I skilled at using them.

But you guys are entertaining sometimes…
 
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Using special language words doesn’t impress me…



You are correct.

I don’t pervert the scriptures with those devices. Nor am I skilled at using them.

But you guys are entertaining sometimes…
Thanks for the confirmation-what a shame growing old but not growing IN the Scriptures and use the proper exegetical study aids at your disposal.

I offered you a challenge and you are unable to rebut the challenge yet I find this entertaining and amusing.
You are not "skilled" at using these "devices" yet quick to admit you don't pervert scriptures? Maybe you are in error, perverting Scriptures and not aware of this?
 

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Paul did it to. It's not the body, but the spirit that has become a new creature. In other words, it's in the spirit that we have become a brand-new species because our spirit is totally new and therefore there is not an old sin nature left in us. We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian. I know this comes as a complete shock to many of you who have been indoctrinated in the-old-nature-versus-the-new-nature theology. Most Christians have been taught to believe that after salvation, they are still the same at their core, and they live the rest of their lives trying to restrain this old nature. They believe they have two natures. The Christians of today believe they are alive to sin and it's with much effort, frustration, and failure that they battle this sin nature the rest of their lives.
Hmmm...so the flesh doesn't lusteth after the spirit and vice versa, after all? No more battles to fight....no taking the land of promise little by little? Nothing to overcome? No need to "apprehend" anything after receiving Christ? Why are we chastised as sons then? Why the need to "fill up that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ"? Unless we are blind to reality, we can clearly see that the old man is still operating through the flesh in many/most Christians, at times in various ways to various degrees. We have all been guilty of this, at least inadvertently.

Your statement: "This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. " What it is, I believe, is spiritual......imputed to us and laid up in heaven for us, as it were. But we need to make sure we are bringing it down to our "earth" where the rubber hits the road. By way of "apprehending" it. Thy (God's) will be done on "earth" as it is in "heaven".
 
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proper exegetical study aids

Most churches and groups are established using these “aids” and somehow still manage to be at variance with each other…

Each one claiming to be properly exegeting the scriptures… much like yourself.
 

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I feed on God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit, who has always testified Gods truth to my heart/ spirit then what I hear him speak to my spirit, off I toddle and check out what he says to my spirit with His written word.

I love my Living fellowship with the Living Holy Spirit...he’s my spiritual food I crave throughout the day...he brings me to understanding the written word in spirit...mind Blowing...

A Born Again is a spiritual child of Gods, therefore can only understand the written word in their spirit, as it’s the role of Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit to bring Gods truth to their/ heart/spirit....we communicate Holy Spirit and A Born Again in our spirit....that’s where we know the great I am!! God!!
Amen, the LIVING God.

Just that His word is more than just words in ink on a piece of paper........it's the LIVING word of the LIVING God. Alive and active through the Spirit. :)
 
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Do me a favor and get lost-next time on ignore you go.


Php 3:12 Not that I have already received this , [*Here the direct object is supplied from context in the English translation] or have already been made perfect, but I press on if indeed I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ. [Some manuscripts have “Christ Jesus”]
Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider myself to have laid hold of it . [*Here the direct object is supplied from context in the English translation] But I do one thing , forgetting the things behind and straining toward the things ahead,
Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.


In Philippians 3:12-14, the apostle Paul provides insight into his own spiritual journey and mindset, offering encouragement and exhortation to the Philippian believers.

Context:
Background:
Paul is writing to the Philippian church from prison, expressing his joy in the Lord despite his circumstances and encouraging the Philippian believers to stand firm in their faith amidst persecution and opposition.

Main Themes:

Righteousness through Christ: Paul emphasizes the surpassing value of knowing Christ and the righteousness that comes through faith in Him, contrasting it with reliance on religious rituals or human achievement.

Pressing Toward the Goal: Paul uses athletic imagery to convey the idea of spiritual striving and perseverance. He sees his Christian life as a race, pressing forward toward the goal of knowing Christ fully and experiencing the resurrection.
Verse Breakdown:
Philippians 3:12:

Paul acknowledges that he has not yet attained the fullness of spiritual maturity or perfection. Despite his remarkable achievements and experiences as an apostle, he recognizes that there is still room for growth in his relationship with Christ. He expresses his determination to press on toward the goal for which Christ laid hold of him.

Philippians 3:13:
Here, Paul reiterates his acknowledgment of his own spiritual journey. He admits that he has not yet reached the goal but emphasizes the importance of focusing on what lies ahead rather than dwelling on past successes or failures. Paul's attitude reflects humility and a forward-looking perspective, encouraging believers to adopt a similar mindset.

Philippians 3:14:
Paul concludes by emphasizing his commitment to pressing on toward the goal, which he identifies as the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. This prize represents the ultimate reward of eternal life and fellowship with God, motivating believers to persevere in their faith journey despite obstacles and challenges.

Overall Message:
Paul's message in these verses is one of perseverance, humility, and focus on the surpassing value of knowing Christ. He encourages believers to press forward in their faith journey, leaving behind the past and striving toward the goal of experiencing the fullness of life in Christ. Paul's own example serves as inspiration for believers to continue pursuing spiritual growth and maturity, relying on the grace and power of God to sustain them along the way.

1) "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended" (adelphoi) "I reckon not yet myself to have laid hold, brethren" (ego hemauton oupo logizomai kateilephenai). This is a personal concession of a lowly position of perfection to which Paul had come, lest some brethren at Philippi should presume themselves to have already achieved, to their hurt of influence and testimony, Jas_4:10; 1Pe_5:6.

2) "But this one thing I do" (en de) "the things on the other hand;" It is bet say, "This one thing I do" than a "dozen things I dabble at" Those who succeed in life usually major at, are wholly given to, at least one primary thing in life's efforts; David was so committed, Psa_27:4; Mar_10:21. Mary chose the one thing most important in life, Luk_10:41-42.

3) "Forgetting those things which are behind" (ta men opiso epilanthanomenos) "The things on the one hand behind, past, forgetting, putting aside" things that to remember would obstruct, hinder, or hold one back in the Lord, no longer trusting in them, positions of popularity, pride, and worldly advantage--not looking back on the racetrack where one has already run.

4) "And reaching forth unto those things which a before" (tois de emposthen epekteinomenos) "yet the things before, on the other hand, stretching to or toward" like a runner in the final goal stretch of a race, stretching forth with head, neck, and body wholly pressing to the goal", Heb_12:2.

1) "I press toward the mark" (kata skopon doko) "I, leaning forward, follow according to a mark," standard; 1Co_9:24; Heb_12:1. The race of life to be run is a marathon, for life, not an hundred yard dash, Rev_2:10.

2) "For the prize" (eis to Brabeion) "with relation to the prize." The prize is not salvation, eternal life, itself, but it is a special award which the Lord will give to those who faithfully run the race of an obedient life of service to Christ to the end, 2Ti_4:7-8.

3) "Of the high calling of God" (tes ano kleseos tou theau) “of the calling (from) above of God;" to a crown of life, pertaining to a life of faithful service to the end, 1Co_3:8; 1Pe_5:10. Each believer is called to the High calling, to hear a "well done," for faithful service, whether he have one or ten talents, Mat_25:15; Rev_22:12.

4) "In Christ Jesus" (en Christo lesou) "in Jesus Christ" Salvation's call is universal, to the Corporate human race, including all, excluding none. One's being "in Christ," "in his Son," is conditioned on his personal, voluntary, volitional choice of Jesus Christ as his personal Savior in time, Joh_1:11-12; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18; Joh_8:24; 1Jn_5:1. The high calling of God to service, in and through the Church, by Christ Jesus, is to all who will obey in:
a) hearing – Rom_10:17;
b) repenting – Luk_13:3; Act_17:30-31; 2Co_7:10.
c) believing to salvation (Then) – Joh_3:14-16; John 18; Joh_5:24; Eph_2:8-9.

d) 'Being baptized to prepare to walk the new life in and through the Church, which he loved and purchased with his own blood, Act_20:28; Eph_5:25; Eph_3:21.



Notice ... @Johann

You wrote that "Paul had not arrived"... and you are trying to connect that false statement ...to : "that which i dont want to do, i do".

See that?
That is the typical...>"I dont understand the Grace of God", (and everyone who doesn't, always posts that same Romans 7 verse) and the other that says that ""Paul has not arrived....""
This type of confused person is trying to prove that Christianity is a hopeless mess, and all we can do, is "sin, repent, repeat".

And that is not Christianity...

Now let me show you what Paul didnt attain to, so that you can see what the Apostle actually wrote.

Philippians 3:11....."""and so, somehow, attaining to the RESURRECTION from the dead.""""

and now the next verse @Johann, that you've never read..

Paul says... Phil 3:12......"""""Not that I have already OBTAINED all this,""""

See that?

Paul is talking about not obtaining to the Resurrection , and All The Apostles were looking for it.....not just Paul.
 
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Most churches and groups are established using these “aids” and somehow still manage to be at variance with each other…

Each one claiming to be properly exegeting the scriptures… much like yourself.
--as you are at variance with most here-I asked you to rebut my posts, for the doxa of Christ Jesus, hopefully to edify some, you cannot, so now you are making a snide attempt at me-what does it tell you?

You are way out of your depth here-if you cannot refute what is posted, zip your lip-again, what a shame growing old but not growing IN the Scriptures nor IN Christ Jesus. Siding with those who are blatantly promulgating lies, not able or capable of discerning truth from error even when it stares you in the face.
 

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Most churches and groups are established using these “aids” and somehow still manage to be at variance with each other…

Each one claiming to be properly exegeting the scriptures… much like yourself.
If you have something to say about what is actually being discussed then why don't you say what it is and enlighten us all? So tired of people accusing and criticizing while bringing nothing of substance to the conversation. Smacks of an attitude of "superiority" rather than having any care for anyone. In other words, thanks for nothing. By all means enjoy your entertainment since that's all we are to you.
 
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Notice ... @Johann

You wrote that "Paul had not arrived"... and you are trying to connect that false statement ...to : "that which i dont want to do, i do".

See that?
That is the typical...>"I dont understand the Grace of God", (and everyone who doesn't, always posts that same Romans 7 verse) and the other that says that ""Paul has not arrived....""
This type of confused person is trying to prove that Christianity is a hopeless mess, and all we can do, is "sin, repent, repeat".

And that is not Christianity...

Now let me show you what Paul didnt attain to, so that you can see what the Apostle actually wrote.

Philippians 3:11....."""and so, somehow, attaining to the RESURRECTION from the dead.""""

and now the next verse @Johann, that you've never read..

Paul says... Phil 3:12......"""""Not that I have already OBTAINED all this,""""

See that?

Paul is talking about not obtaining to the Resurrection , and All The Apostles were looking for it.....not just Paul.
Addressing Misinterpretations of Romans 7:

Acknowledge that Romans 7 is often misunderstood, and clarify its context and message.
Emphasize that Romans 7 describes the struggle with sin that believers face, not as a hopeless cycle of sinning and repenting but as a recognition of the ongoing battle between the flesh and the Spirit (Romans 7:15-25).

Highlight the victory over sin and the power of the Holy Spirit in believers' lives, as described in Romans 8:1-17.
Clarifying Philippians 3:11-12:

Point out that in Philippians 3:11, Paul expresses his desire to attain to the resurrection from the dead, which reflects his longing for the fullness of salvation and eternal life.

Explain that in Philippians 3:12, Paul acknowledges that he has not yet fully obtained or achieved this ultimate goal of resurrection and glorification.

Emphasize that Paul's statement does not imply a lack of progress or growth in his Christian life but rather a humble recognition of his ongoing pursuit of the fullness of salvation in Christ.

Highlighting the Hope of Resurrection:

Affirm the biblical teaching that the hope of resurrection is central to the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:20-23).
Remind believers that the promise of resurrection assures us of victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:54-57).
Encourage a focus on the hope of the resurrection as a source of strength, perseverance, and joyful expectation in the Christian life (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

You-the self styled teacher of the Pauline epistles have much to learn.

"Sh'voo b'Yisrael" שְׁבוּ בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל
 
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Amen, the LIVING God.

Just that His word is more than just words in ink on a piece of paper........it's the LIVING word of the LIVING God. Alive and active through the Spirit. :)
We got there in the end ,Sis, always a pleasure discussing with you.
 
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Most churches and groups are established using these “aids” and somehow still manage to be at variance with each other…

Each one claiming to be properly exegeting the scriptures… much like yourself.
I hardly even know what exegesis means but the bible says we may use the things of this world as long as we aren't enamoured with them. In other words as long as they aren't occupying a place in our heart and life that they shouldn't. "Aids " may be useful if our reliance is on the Lord in our using of them. I think most of us use at least a bible dictionary and concordance, even if we aren't inclined to scholarship. I have been edified by things this brother has brought and consider that his handling of this is even a gift.

Different people may be helped and edified by different things.....God has many different members and kinds of gifts in His Body.
 

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--as you are at variance with most here-I asked you to rebut my posts, for the doxa of Christ Jesus, hopefully to edify some, you cannot, so now you are making a snide attempt at me-what does it tell you?

You are way out of your depth here-if you cannot refute what is posted, zip your lip-again, what a shame growing old but not growing IN the Scriptures nor IN Christ Jesus. Siding with those who are blatantly promulgating lies, not able or capable of discerning truth from error even when it stares you in the face.
No idea what Michaiah thinks or believes or if he has anything to contribute. I dont' get around to many threads, but until today I've seen him do nothing and say nothing but sit there drinking coffee or eating popcorn. ;) Must need a washroom break many times over by now, I would think.
 

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Addressing Misinterpretations of Romans 7:

Acknowledge that Romans 7 is often misunderstood, and clarify its context and message.
Emphasize that Romans 7 describes the struggle with sin that believers face, not as a hopeless cycle of sinning and repenting but as a recognition of the ongoing battle between the flesh and the Spirit (Romans 7:15-25).

Highlight the victory over sin and the power of the Holy Spirit in believers' lives, as described in Romans 8:1-17.
Clarifying Philippians 3:11-12:

Point out that in Philippians 3:11, Paul expresses his desire to attain to the resurrection from the dead, which reflects his longing for the fullness of salvation and eternal life.

Explain that in Philippians 3:12, Paul acknowledges that he has not yet fully obtained or achieved this ultimate goal of resurrection and glorification.

Emphasize that Paul's statement does not imply a lack of progress or growth in his Christian life but rather a humble recognition of his ongoing pursuit of the fullness of salvation in Christ.

Highlighting the Hope of Resurrection:

Affirm the biblical teaching that the hope of resurrection is central to the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:20-23).
Remind believers that the promise of resurrection assures us of victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:54-57).
Encourage a focus on the hope of the resurrection as a source of strength, perseverance, and joyful expectation in the Christian life (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

You-the self styled teacher of the Pauline epistles have much to learn.

"Sh'voo b'Yisrael" שְׁבוּ בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל
AMEN. It's about having a humble attitude....and we are to be thus-minded as Paul said. Similar to where he said that though he knew of nothing against him, it by no means meant that he was acquitted.....and he submitted himself always to God's judgment. Our race isn't over until it's over.
 
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את אויביך הקמים עליך יכה ה' לפניך: דרך אחת יצאו עליך ויברח לפניך שבעה דרכים.


also..

Let me simplify..

Here is the heretics theology.


"that which i want to do, i cant, and that which i dont want to do, i do".

See that, @Johann ?

That is the heretical teaching of people who are not students of the NT, and they are not acquainted with "Paul's Doctrine", regarding "Justification by Faith", "without Works".

So, a "self saver".. a "legalist" who falsekly teaches that "water baptism is required for Salvation", is going to try to prove that Christianity is ...

"Sin, Confess, and Repent, and Repeat"..

So what these carnal people do, is actually try to find verses that to them, prove that you must perform, to try to stay saved, or that you have earthly obediences, like water baptism, that you must perform, as a part of Salvation, as if Salvation is a RITUAL, and not "the Gift of Salvation".

Do you hear me @Johann , as im talking to you..

Comprehend?


And these people will take a verse from Paul, that is just the beginning of His teaching on victorious living "in Christ", and they misuse a part of his entire teaching to try to prove..>"works, works, works, and confession , water baptism".

They then "tie in" a verse where Paul is talking about not "obtaining to the RESURRECTION = YET">.. and they combine these 2 verses, and create a completely false theology that tries to deceive real Born again Christians, into the idea that . they can have no Certain and Complete "Victory" "In Christ".

= "sin, confess, repent.. .repeat".. is what they are teaching in place of God's Grace.
 
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No idea what Michaiah thinks or believes or if he has anything to contribute. I dont' get around to many threads, but until today I've seen him do nothing and say nothing but sit there drinking coffee or eating popcorn. ;) Must need a washroom break many times over by now, I would think.
Absolutely, sister. I'm not upset with him. Individuals like him actually provide me with a chance to focus on some intense gym training. Plus, my dear wife has always offered me wise counsel: 'Never react, always respond.' It's a way to stay in control of the situation.

Shalom to you and family, and I really mean it.
Johann.
 
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AMEN. It's about having a humble attitude....and we are to be thus-minded as Paul said. Similar to where he said that though he knew of nothing against him, it by no means meant that he was acquitted.....and he submitted himself always to God's judgment. Our race isn't over until it's over.
@Lizbeth, you are the one who is truly edifying me, and I am very grateful for that. You and @marks are a great help. Now, I could really use some strong coffee!
Johann
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