Are You Dead to Self?

[Episkopos]

I have found you wanting and in error on 3 accounts today brother-three strikes, you're out.
J.

LOL. Not the same as God finding a person wanting!!! :) I'm out based on not catering to the flesh by looking for any bent in the bible I can twist to my own advantage. I guess I must have a death wish or inferiority complex...when it come to God's holy ways.

I may never unlearn that fear of the Lord. So be it! :) <><

 

[Johann]

LOL. Not the same as God finding a person wanting!!! :) I'm out based on not catering to the flesh by looking for any bent in the bible I can twist to my own advantage. I guess I must have a death wish or inferiority complex...when it come to God's holy ways.

I may never unlearn that fear of the Lord. So be it! :) <><

You have the opportunity to "remedy" yourself @Episkopos -see, I live by faith, you, by experiences, kind of paradoxical ain't it?
You don't hold to the fundamental core doctrines we all treasure, yet you believe you are right, and all others in the wrong.
Let me know if you wish to continue this discussion, or live, on air or send me your e mail.

You don't really believe in what stands written, that I can tell.
Shalom to you and family
Johann.

 

[Episkopos]

You have the opportunity to "remedy" yourself @Episkopos -see, I live by faith, you, by experiences, kind of paradoxical ain't it?
You don't hold to the fundamental core doctrines we all treasure, yet you believe you are right, and all others in the wrong.
Let me know if you wish to continue this discussion, or live, on air or send me your e mail.

You don't really believe in what stands written, that I can tell.
Shalom to you and family
Johann.

The trick, as it were, is to differentiate between faith and beliefs. I walk by faith in the God that I know and that is testified to in the Bible. The words of God back up the experience of God and vice versa. When one considers that without visitation and empowerment from the Spirit there would be no bible at all.

Shalom lecha

 

[Johann]

The trick, as it were, is to differentiate between faith and beliefs. I walk by faith in the God that I know and that is testified to in the Bible. The words of God back up the experience of God and vice versa. When one considers that without visitation and empowerment from the Spirit there would be no bible at all.

Shalom lecha

Nope, since you received "divine visitations and experiences" you are not kindly disposed to those who are living according to what stands written, indwelt with the Ruach HaKodesh-living by emunah.

Time to dokimazo those who call themselves apostles and are not, right?

אתה חושב שאתה שליח אבל אתה לא
Ata choshev she'ata shaliach aval ata lo.

 

[Episkopos]

Nope, since you received "divine visitations and experiences" you are not kindly disposed to those who are living according to what stands written,

Why do I have to molly coddle those who disagree with the truth in order to be "kindly disposed" toward them? I receive a lot of hostility from those who take offense when I say that the flesh has no place in the church...that is...unless it is owned up to and forsaken. I think it's in everyone's best interest to learn the truth. It's a bent in the carnal nature that tries to estimate who is right and who is wrong. It's an ego reaction that gets in the way of the truth.

indwelt with the Ruach HaKodesh-living by emunah.

Are you saying that I'm not?

Time to dokimazo those who call themselves apostles and are not, right?

אתה חושב שאתה שליח אבל אתה לא
Ata choshev she'ata shaliach aval ata lo.

I have never claimed to be anything but a common brother. The rest is in your own head....or worse the accuser. My race is against all disciples at every time in history. I don't compare myself with other modern believers since so few seem to have the same calling as I have received. It seems that very few have been challenged into the higher race of faith. How do I stack up against disciples in the past? Maybe not so good. Maybe others who have received the same grace that I have received have done much better. So my race is my own...before the Lord.

Having said that, when I read what people name and claim, I would be remiss if I didn't warn people of the "terror of the Lord". God's holy judgment is hard indeed. And I realize that such lack of experience in holiness makes my warnings sound bizarre. But my warnings follow the bible exactly...to not claim to be something one isn't...to not claim to be higher than one is, to remain humble and fear the Lord. All of these things are presently either in decline in the modern gospel scheme...or non-existent. If people don't listen to me, that's fine. People want to follow the bible. Then they should heed ALL the verses.

And being attacked for my testimony is a benefit for me. :) A disciple is not above his Master. If they balked at His teaching, why would things be any different in a time where there is such a scarcity of faith?

 

[Johann]

And being attacked for my testimony is a benefit for me. :) A disciple is not above his Master. If they balked at His teaching, why would things be any different in a time where there is such a scarcity of faith?

Careful brother-you can be a martyr for the wrong cause. You are not being persecuted for righteousness sake, there is a makarios for that and a stephanos. I am not antagonistic towards you, at least, not yet.
Can you send me an e mail or something where I can have an open dialogue with you, or on your YouTube?
Thanks
Johann.

 

[Behold]

The trick, as it were, is to differentiate between faith and beliefs

So then, is it your "Faith" that teaches that "The Cross is not about forgiveness of Sin" that caused you to define Jesus as a "whipping boy"?

Or is it your "Belief" that cases you to teach that "The Cross is not about forgiveness"?

Both? @Episkopos

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[Episkopos]

Careful brother-you can be a martyr for the wrong cause. You are not being persecuted for righteousness sake, there is a makarios for that and a stephanos. I am not antagonistic towards you, at least, not yet.
Can you send me an e mail or something where I can have an open dialogue with you, or on your YouTube?
Thanks
Johann.

What people so often do is rail against the holy standard. Of course the righteous standard is also being abused in the process. I'm fully outside the scenario...speaking into it. I don't abide either a lack of respect for holiness nor righteousness. It is my acceptance of God's ways that makes me raise my voice.

 

[Johann]

What people so often do is rail against the holy standard. Of course the righteous standard is also being abused in the process. I'm fully outside the scenario...speaking into it. I don't abide either a lack of respect for holiness nor righteousness. It is my acceptance of God's ways that makes me raise my voice.

I'm offering assistance, giving you my right hand of fellowship, but you may dismiss it, no problem.

 

[Episkopos]

I'm offering assistance, giving you my right hand of fellowship, but you may dismiss it, no problem.

Assistance for what? Do you have a half-ton? (a Bakkie)

 

[Johann]

Assistance for what? Do you have a half-ton? (a Bakkie)

Guess that means no and I wish I had a half-ton truck.
Shalom Achi
J.

 

[Johann]

What people so often do is rail against the holy standard. Of course the righteous standard is also being abused in the process. I'm fully outside the scenario...speaking into it. I don't abide either a lack of respect for holiness nor righteousness. It is my acceptance of God's ways that makes me raise my voice.

The holy and righteous standard in Christian theology refers to the divine expectation of moral purity, ethical conduct, and spiritual integrity that reflects God's own holiness and righteousness. This standard is rooted in the character of God and is revealed through Scripture. To understand this more deeply, we can explore key Hebrew and Greek terms, their meanings, syntax, and morphology, as well as relevant Scripture references.

Key Terms
Hebrew: קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh) and צַדִּיק (Tzaddik)
קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh):

Meaning: Holy, set apart, sacred.
Root: Derived from the verb קָדַשׁ (qadash), meaning to consecrate or sanctify.
Usage: Describes God’s nature and the moral purity expected of His people.
צַדִּיק (Tzaddik):

Meaning: Righteous, just.
Root: From the verb צָדַק (tzadak), meaning to be just or righteous.
Usage: Refers to ethical conduct and justice, reflecting God's own righteousness.
Greek: ἅγιος (Hagios) and δίκαιος (Dikaios)
ἅγιος (Hagios):

Meaning: Holy, consecrated, set apart.
Root: Related to the concept of sanctity and separation for God’s purposes.
Usage: Describes both God and believers who are set apart for divine purposes.
δίκαιος (Dikaios):

Meaning: Righteous, just, upright.
Root: From the noun δικαιοσύνη (dikaiosyne), meaning righteousness.
Usage: Pertains to moral integrity and justice, consistent with God’s character.
Syntax and Morphology
Hebrew Morphology:

קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh): A masculine singular adjective.
צַדִּיק (Tzaddik): A masculine singular adjective.
Greek Morphology:

ἅγιος (Hagios): An adjective in nominative singular masculine form.
δίκαιος (Dikaios): An adjective in nominative singular masculine form.
Scripture References
Leviticus 19:2 (NIV):

Hebrew: "קְדֹשִׁים תִּהְיוּ כִּי קָדוֹשׁ אֲנִי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם."
Transliteration: "Qedoshim tihyu ki qadosh ani Adonai Eloheichem."
Translation: "Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy."
Isaiah 6:3 (NIV):

Hebrew: "קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת מְלֹא כָל הָאָרֶץ כְּבוֹדוֹ."
Transliteration: "Qadosh, qadosh, qadosh, Adonai Tzva'ot, melo kol ha'aretz kevodo."
Translation: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."
Psalm 11:7 (NIV):

Hebrew: "כִּי צַדִּיק יְהוָה צְדָקוֹת אָהֵב יָשָׁר יֶחֱזוּ פָנֵימוֹ."
Transliteration: "Ki tzaddik Adonai tzedaqot ahev yashar yechezu fanemo."
Translation: "For the LORD is righteous, he loves justice; the upright will see his face."
1 Peter 1:15-16 (NIV):

Greek: "ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὸν καλέσαντα ὑμᾶς ἅγιον καὶ αὐτοὶ ἅγιοι ἐν πάσῃ ἀναστροφῇ γενήθητε, διότι γέγραπται· ἅγιοι ἔσεσθε, ὅτι ἐγὼ ἅγιός εἰμι."
Transliteration: "Alla kata ton kalesanta hymas hagion kai autoi hagioi en pasei anastrophe geneisthe, dioti gegraptai: Hagioi esesthe, hoti ego hagios eimi."
Translation: "But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: ‘Be holy, because I am holy.’"
Matthew 5:6 (NIV):

Greek: "μακάριοι οἱ πεινῶντες καὶ διψῶντες τὴν δικαιοσύνην, ὅτι αὐτοὶ χορτασθήσονται."
Transliteration: "Makarioi hoi peinontes kai dipsontes tēn dikaiosynēn, hoti autoi chortasthēsontai."
Translation: "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled."
Theological Significance
The holy and righteous standard set forth in Scripture is grounded in the very nature of God. Believers are called to reflect God's holiness (קָדוֹשׁ, ἅγιος) and righteousness (צַדִּיק, δίκαιος) in their lives. This involves a commitment to moral purity, ethical behavior, and a deep spiritual relationship with God. The call to holiness and righteousness is not merely about adhering to rules but about embodying the character and principles of God, which includes justice, love, mercy, and faithfulness.

In conclusion, the biblical standard of holiness and righteousness is a comprehensive call to live in a manner that reflects God's own nature and character, striving for purity, justice, and ethical integrity in all aspects of life.

J.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

We can't think God needs us to help Him to make us achieve holiness

Who said that? We need His help to separate ourselves from sin.
If you were once an alcoholic, then saw the LIGHT, repented, became a Christian and believed Jesus not only saved you, but healed you from that addiction, wouldn't you continually need to avoid going into a bar or that liquor store and continually refuse drinksnoffered to you at gatherings? You are no longer a slave to alcohol, but you still need to say no daily - for the rest of your life. We mortify those fleshly desires but we need His help. We need to cooperate, daily.

We can't achieve holiness ...Holiness... true holiness as God is holy...is about location

We are commanded to be holy. It's not only about location, it can be. God is omnipresent. And btw, God, the Holy Spirit is dwelling in my Temple and every other Christian's Temple.

To be holy is to be good, pure and separate from sin - wherever you are. Something that is holy is set apart for something special.
We see many examples of holiness:

holy assembly Ex. 12:16
holy Sabbath. Ex. 16:23
holy nation. Ex. 19:6
holy people. Ex. 22:31
Most Holy Place Ex. 26:33
holy garments. Ex. 28:2
holy gifts. Ex. 28:38
holy anointing oil Ex. 30:25
holy day. Ex. 35:2
Be holy Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 20:7; 20:26; 21:6; 23:20
Holy name. Lev. 20:3
holy convocation. Lev. 23:3
holy Jubilee. Lev. 25:12
holy field. Lev. 27:21
holy 10th of the herd. Lev. 27:32
holy mountain. Zep. 3:11
holy meat. Haggie 2:12
Be holy in body and spirit 1 Cor. 7:34
Holy Spirit. > 100+ verses
Be holy because I am holy 1 Pet. 1:16
holy commandment. 2 Pet. 2:21
holy conduct 2 Pet. 3:11
holy city. Rev. 11:2
holy angels. Rev. 14:10

We can learn righteousness. Not holiness.

Righteousness is imputed to us. We do learn how to do things right from wrong. We also set aside, separate good things from evil. I learned a lot about holiness from my word search above. That it is some person, place or thing that is special, set aside, but good and separate from evil.

 

[Episkopos]

The holy and righteous standard in Christian theology refers to the divine expectation of moral purity, ethical conduct, and spiritual integrity that reflects God's own holiness and righteousness. This standard is rooted in the character of God and is revealed through Scripture. To understand this more deeply, we can explore key Hebrew and Greek terms, their meanings, syntax, and morphology, as well as relevant Scripture references.

Key Terms
Hebrew: קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh) and צַדִּיק (Tzaddik)
קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh):

Meaning: Holy, set apart, sacred.
Root: Derived from the verb קָדַשׁ (qadash), meaning to consecrate or sanctify.
Usage: Describes God’s nature and the moral purity expected of His people.
צַדִּיק (Tzaddik):

Meaning: Righteous, just.
Root: From the verb צָדַק (tzadak), meaning to be just or righteous.
Usage: Refers to ethical conduct and justice, reflecting God's own righteousness.
Greek: ἅγιος (Hagios) and δίκαιος (Dikaios)
ἅγιος (Hagios):

Meaning: Holy, consecrated, set apart.
Root: Related to the concept of sanctity and separation for God’s purposes.
Usage: Describes both God and believers who are set apart for divine purposes.
δίκαιος (Dikaios):

Meaning: Righteous, just, upright.
Root: From the noun δικαιοσύνη (dikaiosyne), meaning righteousness.
Usage: Pertains to moral integrity and justice, consistent with God’s character.
Syntax and Morphology
Hebrew Morphology:

קָדוֹשׁ (Qadosh): A masculine singular adjective.
צַדִּיק (Tzaddik): A masculine singular adjective.
Greek Morphology:

ἅγιος (Hagios): An adjective in nominative singular masculine form.
δίκαιος (Dikaios): An adjective in nominative singular masculine form.
Scripture References
Leviticus 19:2 (NIV):

Hebrew: "קְדֹשִׁים תִּהְיוּ כִּי קָדוֹשׁ אֲנִי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם."
Transliteration: "Qedoshim tihyu ki qadosh ani Adonai Eloheichem."
Translation: "Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy."
Isaiah 6:3 (NIV):

Hebrew: "קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת מְלֹא כָל הָאָרֶץ כְּבוֹדוֹ."
Transliteration: "Qadosh, qadosh, qadosh, Adonai Tzva'ot, melo kol ha'aretz kevodo."
Translation: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."
Psalm 11:7 (NIV):

Hebrew: "כִּי צַדִּיק יְהוָה צְדָקוֹת אָהֵב יָשָׁר יֶחֱזוּ פָנֵימוֹ."
Transliteration: "Ki tzaddik Adonai tzedaqot ahev yashar yechezu fanemo."
Translation: "For the LORD is righteous, he loves justice; the upright will see his face."
1 Peter 1:15-16 (NIV):

Greek: "ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὸν καλέσαντα ὑμᾶς ἅγιον καὶ αὐτοὶ ἅγιοι ἐν πάσῃ ἀναστροφῇ γενήθητε, διότι γέγραπται· ἅγιοι ἔσεσθε, ὅτι ἐγὼ ἅγιός εἰμι."
Transliteration: "Alla kata ton kalesanta hymas hagion kai autoi hagioi en pasei anastrophe geneisthe, dioti gegraptai: Hagioi esesthe, hoti ego hagios eimi."
Translation: "But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: ‘Be holy, because I am holy.’"
Matthew 5:6 (NIV):

Greek: "μακάριοι οἱ πεινῶντες καὶ διψῶντες τὴν δικαιοσύνην, ὅτι αὐτοὶ χορτασθήσονται."
Transliteration: "Makarioi hoi peinontes kai dipsontes tēn dikaiosynēn, hoti autoi chortasthēsontai."
Translation: "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled."
Theological Significance
The holy and righteous standard set forth in Scripture is grounded in the very nature of God. Believers are called to reflect God's holiness (קָדוֹשׁ, ἅγιος) and righteousness (צַדִּיק, δίκαιος) in their lives. This involves a commitment to moral purity, ethical behavior, and a deep spiritual relationship with God. The call to holiness and righteousness is not merely about adhering to rules but about embodying the character and principles of God, which includes justice, love, mercy, and faithfulness.

In conclusion, the biblical standard of holiness and righteousness is a comprehensive call to live in a manner that reflects God's own nature and character, striving for purity, justice, and ethical integrity in all aspects of life.

J.

....and the best way to understand both standards is to experience them from the Lord... :)

 

[Johann]

Who said that? We need His help to separate ourselves from sin.
If you were once an alcoholic, then saw the LIGHT, repented, became a Christian and believed Jesus not only saved you, but healed you from that addition, wouldn't continually need to avoid going into a bar or liquor store? You are no longer a slave to alcohol, but you still need to say no daily - for the rest of your life. We mortify those fleshly desires but we need His help. We need to cooperate, daily.

We are commanded to be holy. It's not only about location, it can be. God is omnipresent. And btw, God, the Holy Spirit is dwelling in my Temple and every other Christian's Temple.

To be holy is to be good, pure and separate from sin - wherever you are. Something that is holy is set apart for something special.
We see many examples of holiness:

holy assembly Ex. 12:16
holy Sabbath. Ex. 16:23
holy nation. Ex. 19:6
holy people. Ex. 22:31
Most Holy Place Ex. 26:33
holy garments. Ex. 28:2
holy gifts. Ex. 28:38
holy anointing oil Ex. 30:25
holy day. Ex. 35:2
Be holy Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 20:7; 20:26; 21:6; 23:20
Holy name. Lev. 20:3
holy convocation. Lev. 23:3
holy Jubilee. Lev. 25:12
holy field. Lev. 27:21
holy 10th of the herd. Lev. 27:32
holy mountain. Zep. 3:11
holy meat. Haggie 2:12
Be holy in body and spirit 1 Cor. 7:34
Holy Spirit. > 100+ verses
Be holy because I am holy 1 Pet. 1:16
holy commandment. 2 Pet. 2:21
holy conduct 2 Pet. 3:11
holy city. Rev. 11:2
holy angels. Rev. 14:10


Righteousness is imputed to us. We do learn how to do things right from wrong. We also set aside, separate good things from evil. I learned a lot about holiness from my word search above. That it is something special, set aside, but good and separate from evil.

Well said brother.
J.

 

[Johann]

....and the best way to understand both standards is to experience them from the Lord... :)

Strange you don't mention the Holy Spirit or hardly mention the Holy Spirit. And His role in the life of the believer.

Do I need to go into mysticism, hearing voices, ecstatic visions to receive an Ot'? What is primary in your life are these "experiences" without the help of the Holy Spirit it would seem-Scriptures are a secondary "case/cause"
Matter of fact-you hardly quote scriptures-that's a red flag to me.

The role of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) in the life of the believer is multifaceted, encompassing guidance, empowerment, teaching, sanctification, and the assurance of salvation. Both the Hebrew and Greek scriptures provide a rich understanding of the Holy Spirit's work.

Key Terms
Hebrew: רוּחַ הַקּוֹדֶשׁ (Ruach HaKodesh)

רוּחַ (Ruach): Spirit, breath, wind.
הַקּוֹדֶשׁ (HaKodesh): The Holy.
Greek: πνεῦμα ἅγιον (Pneuma Hagion)

πνεῦμα (Pneuma): Spirit, breath, wind.
ἅγιον (Hagion): Holy.
Scripture References
John 14:26

Greek: "ὁ δὲ παράκλητος, τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον, ὃ πέμψει ὁ πατὴρ ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου, ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα καὶ ὑπομνήσει ὑμᾶς πάντα ἃ εἶπον ὑμῖν."
Transliteration: "Ho de Paraklētos, to Pneuma to Hagion, ho pempsē ho Patēr en tō onomati mou, ekeinos hymas didaxei panta kai hypomnēsei hymas panta ha eipon hymin."
Translation: "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
Acts 1:8

Greek: "ἀλλὰ λήμψεσθε δύναμιν, ἐπελθόντος τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος ἐφ' ὑμᾶς· καὶ ἔσεσθέ μου μάρτυρες ἐν Ἰερουσαλήμ τε καὶ ἐν πάσῃ τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ καὶ Σαμαρείᾳ καὶ ἕως ἐσχάτου τῆς γῆς."
Transliteration: "Alla lēmpsesthe dynamin, epelthontos tou hagiou pneumatos eph' hymas; kai esesthe mou martyres en Ierousalēm te kai en pasē tē Ioudaia kai Samareia kai heōs eschatou tēs gēs."
Translation: "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
Romans 8:14

Greek: "ὅσοι γὰρ πνεύματι θεοῦ ἄγονται, οὗτοι υἱοί εἰσιν θεοῦ."
Transliteration: "Hosoi gar pneumati Theou agontai, houtoi huioi eisin Theou."
Translation: "For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."
Galatians 5:22-23

Greek: "ὁ δὲ καρπὸς τοῦ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἀγάπη, χαρά, εἰρήνη, μακροθυμία, χρηστότης, ἀγαθωσύνη, πίστις, πραΰτης, ἐγκράτεια· κατὰ τῶν τοιούτων οὐκ ἔστιν νόμος."
Transliteration: "Ho de karpos tou pneumatos estin agapē, chara, eirēnē, makrothymia, chrēstotēs, agathōsynē, pistis, prautēs, enkrateia; kata tōn toioutōn ouk estin nomos."
Translation: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
1 Corinthians 12:4-11

Greek: "Διαιρέσεις δὲ χαρισμάτων εἰσίν, τὸ δὲ αὐτὸ Πνεῦμα· καὶ διαιρέσεις διακονιῶν εἰσίν, καὶ ὁ αὐτὸς Κύριος· καὶ διαιρέσεις ἐνεργημάτων εἰσίν, ὁ δὲ αὐτὸς Θεός ὁ ἐνεργῶν τὰ πάντα ἐν πᾶσιν. ἑκάστῳ δὲ δίδοται ἡ φανέρωσις τοῦ Πνεύματος πρὸς τὸ συμφέρον."
Transliteration: "Diaireseis de charismatōn eisin, to de auto Pneuma; kai diaireseis diakoniōn eisin, kai ho autos Kyrios; kai diaireseis energēmatōn eisin, ho de autos Theos ho energōn ta panta en pasin. Hekastō de didotai hē phanerōsis tou Pneumatos pros to sympheron."
Translation: "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good."
Ephesians 1:13-14

Greek: "ἐν ᾧ καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀκούσαντες τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας, τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς σωτηρίας ὑμῶν, ἐν ᾧ καὶ πιστεύσαντες ἐσφραγίσθητε τῷ Πνεύματι τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τῷ ἁγίῳ, ὅς ἐστιν ἀρραβὼν τῆς κληρονομίας ἡμῶν, εἰς ἀπολύτρωσιν τῆς περιποιήσεως, εἰς ἔπαινον τῆς δόξης αὐτοῦ."
Transliteration: "En hō kai hymeis akousantes ton logon tēs alētheias, to euangelion tēs sōtērias hymōn, en hō kai pisteusantes esphragisthēte tō Pneumati tēs epangelias tō Hagiō, hos estin arrabōn tēs klēronomias hēmōn, eis apolytrōsin tēs peripoiēseōs, eis epainon tēs doxēs autou."
Translation: "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."
Romans 8:26-27

Greek: "Ὡσαύτως δὲ καὶ τὸ Πνεῦμα συναντιλαμβάνεται ταῖς ἀσθενείαις ἡμῶν· τὸ γὰρ τί προσευξώμεθα καθὸ δεῖ οὐκ οἴδαμεν, ἀλλ' αὐτὸ τὸ Πνεῦμα ὑπερεντυγχάνει στεναγμοῖς ἀλαλήτοις· ὁ δὲ ἐραυνῶν τὰς καρδίας οἶδεν τί τὸ φρόνημα τοῦ Πνεύματος, ὅτι κατὰ Θεὸν ἐντυγχάνει ὑπὲρ ἁγίων."
Transliteration: "Hōsautōs de kai to Pneuma synantilambanetai tais astheneiais hēmōn; to gar ti proseuxōmetha katho dei ouk oidamen, all' auto to Pneuma hyperentygchanei stenagmois alalētois; ho de eraunōn tas kardias oiden ti to phronēma tou Pneumatos, hoti kata Theon entygchanei hyper hagiōn."
Translation: "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God."
2 Corinthians 3:17-18

Greek: "ὁ δὲ Κύριος τὸ Πνεῦμά ἐστιν· οὗ δὲ τὸ Πνεῦμα Κυρίου, ἐκεῖ ἐλευθερία. ἡμεῖς δὲ πάντες ἀνακεκαλυμμένῳ προσώπῳ τὴν δόξαν Κυρίου κατοπτριζόμενοι τὴν αὐτὴν εἰκόνα μεταμορφούμεθα ἀπὸ δόξης εἰς δόξαν, καθάπερ ἀπὸ Κυρίου Πνεύματος."
Transliteration: "Ho de Kyrios to Pneuma estin; hou de to Pneuma Kyriou, ekei eleutheria. Hēmeis de pantes anakekalymmenō prosōpō tēn doxan Kyriou katoptrizomenoi tēn autēn eikona metamorphoumetha apo doxēs eis doxan, kathaper apo Kyriou Pneumatos."
Translation: "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
John 16:13

Greek: "Ὅταν δὲ ἔλθῃ ἐκεῖνος, τὸ Πνεῦμα τῆς ἀληθείας, ὁδηγήσει ὑμᾶς εἰς πᾶσαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν· οὐ γὰρ λαλήσει ἀφ' ἑαυτοῦ, ἀλλ' ὅσα ἀκούσει λαλήσει, καὶ τὰ ἐρχόμενα ἀναγγελεῖ ὑμῖν."
Transliteration: "Hotan de elthē ekeinos, to Pneuma tēs alētheias, hodēgēsei hymas eis pasan tēn alētheian; ou gar lalēsei aph' heautou, all' hosa akousei lalēsei, kai ta erchomena anangellei hymin."
Translation: "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."
Ephesians 5:18-20

Greek: "καὶ μὴ μεθύσκεσθε οἴνῳ, ἐν ᾧ ἐστιν ἀσωτία, ἀλλὰ πληροῦσθε ἐν Πνεύματι, λαλοῦντες ἑαυτοῖς ψαλμοῖς καὶ ὕμνοις καὶ ᾠδαῖς πνευματικαῖς, ᾄδοντες καὶ ψάλλοντες ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ ὑμῶν τῷ Κυρίῳ, εὐχαριστοῦντες πάντοτε ὑπὲρ πάντων ἐν ὀνόματι τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τῷ Θεῷ καὶ Πατρί."
Transliteration: "Kai mē methyskesthe oinō, en hō estin asōtia, alla plērousthe en Pneumati, lalountes heautois psalmois kai hymnois kai ōdais pneumatikais, adontes kai psallontes en tē kardia hymōn tō Kyriō, eucharistountes pantote hyper pantōn en onomati tou Kyriou hēmōn Iēsou Christou tō Theō kai Patri."
Translation: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ."
The Role of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh / Pneuma Hagion)
Teacher and Remembrancer: The Holy Spirit teaches believers all things and reminds them of Jesus' teachings (John 14:26).
Empowerment for Witnessing: The Holy Spirit provides power for believers to be witnesses for Christ (Acts 1:8).
Guidance and Leading: The Holy Spirit leads and guides believers in their lives (Romans 8:14).
Producing Spiritual Fruit: The Holy Spirit produces spiritual fruit in the lives of believers, such as love, joy, peace, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

Distribution of Spiritual Gifts: The Holy Spirit distributes various spiritual gifts to believers for the common good (1 Corinthians 12:4-11).
Seal and Guarantee of Salvation: The Holy Spirit seals believers as God's own and guarantees their inheritance (Ephesians 1:13-14).
Intercession in Prayer: The Holy Spirit helps believers in their weakness and intercedes for them according to God's will (Romans 8:26-27).
Bringing Freedom: The Holy Spirit brings freedom to believers (2 Corinthians 3:17-18).
Guiding into Truth: The Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth (John 16:13).
Filling and Inspiring Worship: The Holy Spirit fills believers and inspires their worship (Ephesians 5:18-20).

Hence--
The Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) plays a crucial and dynamic role in the life of the believer, guiding, empowering, teaching, sanctifying, and assuring them of their relationship with God. The Holy Spirit's work is integral to living a faithful and fruitful Christian life, transforming believers to reflect God's character and fulfilling His purposes on earth.

Do you have a space and a place for the indwelling Holy Spirit? Is He the cause of your experiences? Or is it the other way 'round?
J.

 

[Peterlag]

Do you have your flesh or do you believe you disposed of it? Do you know what flesh is? It's not just your body, it is your soul, your old self - that btw we are to die daily to ( 1 Cor. 15:31). And so before we are given a new spirit, we are body, soul and a non- functioning spirit.
What you are claiming is that you are pleasing to God all the time ... oh and that you do not posses flesh anymore ( where sin dwells). And this must be also witnessed and experienced by your family and friends who really know you, who look at you, as being Christ-like as there ever was a person, full of love, always putting everyone else first. Oh the joy they reap when they are in your presense! Truly a man who reflects the fruit of the Spirit all the time.
I doubt it. We do not get that from you - none of us do and likely nobody that knows you does either. But to be fair, I never met anyone who was totally Christ-like/ perfect.
People can pretend to be what they want to be online, a Mother Teresa, a Billy Graham ... But by their fruit and words, we see right through them.
It's the typical Non-Trinitarian theology that you bought into. Those who hold this view (2-3% of Christianity), IMO, suffer from the lack of discernment. If you do not believe Jesus is God, the LOGOS, the Creator and that the Holy Spirit is a person, why would Jesus baptize you with the Holy Spirit and why would the Holy Spirit want to live in someone who does not worship Jesus as God Almighty? Furthermore how could Jesus, if He wasn't God, baptize you with the Spirit of God, Who would then live in you and have a relationship with you and help you discern scripture?
I suppose I am breaking the forum rules again. I don't want to start a debate on this subject, nor receive a response from you. I just want you to think about it.
No need to continue. God Bless.

You are confusing walking by the spirit with being perfect. @Ronald Nolette has the same problem. He too thinks being in Christ means being perfect.

 

[Peterlag]

You are living in a fantasy world @Peterlag

Romans 7:18-24: Paul expresses his internal struggle with sin, acknowledging that even though he delights in God's law inwardly, there is another law at work within him, waging war against the law of his mind and making him a prisoner of the law of sin at work within his members.

Romans 8:12-13: Paul addresses believers, urging them to live by the Spirit and not by the flesh. He indicates that living according to the flesh leads to death, but putting to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit leads to life, suggesting an ongoing process rather than an immediate removal of the old nature.

Galatians 5:16-17: This passage highlights the conflict between the Spirit and the flesh, stating that the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, showing that this internal battle continues in the believer’s life.

Ephesians 4:22-24: Believers are instructed to put off their old self, which belongs to their former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of their minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness, implying an ongoing process of renewal.

Colossians 3:9-10: Paul instructs believers not to lie to one another, seeing that they have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator, indicating a continuous renewal.

Philippians 3:12-14: Paul admits that he has not already attained the goal of perfection but presses on to make it his own, forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, suggesting an ongoing journey rather than a completed state.

1 Corinthians 9:27: Paul describes his personal discipline, saying he disciplines his body and keeps it under control, lest after preaching to others he himself should be disqualified, implying the necessity of ongoing self-control and vigilance.

1 Peter 2:11: Peter urges believers to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against the soul, indicating that these passions are still present and active, requiring continuous effort to resist them.

James 1:14-15: James explains that each person is tempted when they are lured and enticed by their own desire. Desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is fully grown, brings forth death, showing that the presence of sinful desires persists and can lead to sin if not managed.

Hebrews 12:1-2: Believers are encouraged to lay aside every weight and the sin which clings so closely and to run with endurance the race set before them, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of their faith, indicating the necessity of ongoing effort to overcome sin.

These references collectively suggest that the old nature is not completely removed upon conversion; rather, believers are engaged in an ongoing process of sanctification where they must continually put to death the deeds of the body and live by the Spirit.

Although we have been born again in the spirit, we still live in this fleshly body, which is still bound and subject to sinful desires (Rom_7:14).

Therefore, we sometimes yield to the flesh and sin, although in our hearts we know that it is wrong.

This can often confuse us in our walk with the Lord (Rom_7:15). But these sins serve to demonstrate that the Word of God is holy and pure, while our transgressions are sinful (Rom_7:16).

For we soon realize that it is not our hearts that are desiring sinful acts, but it is a result of yielding to our fleshly nature that causes us to sin (Rom_7:17-18).

In this struggle to do right, we as Christians come face to face with the reality that our flesh is at war with our spirits (Rom_7:19-21). We see that the inward man, our spirit, always desires the ways of God (Rom_7:22), but the outward body of flesh always desires the things of this world (Rom_7:23). This is discussed further in Gal_5:16-18.

Our conscience condemns us for our actions of yielding to the flesh (Rom_2:15) and we cry out for a way to overcome this struggle (Rom_7:24). Thank God that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit into our hearts to lead us through this dilemma. We now know that with our minds, we can choose to yield to the flesh or to the spirit (Rom_7:25). Thus, when we choose to walk in the spirit, our conscience no longer condemns us of sin (Rom_8:1).

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom_7:7 — Comments - Under the Law the Jew had to become conscience of each and every sin, so that he prepared the proper sacrifices, since each sin required a specific sacrifice. This meant that the Jews were constantly reminded of their sins. The Law even made provision on the day of Atonement for dealing with any sins that were overlooked during the course of the year. The Law made people recognize their sinful nature so that they would look to God for redemption, since no one was able to keep the Law perfectly (Gal_3:24).

Gal_3:24, “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”

Rom_7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Rom_7:8 — “wrought in me all manner of concupiscence” – Word Study on “concupiscence” – Strong says the Greek word “concupiscence” (ἐπιθυμία) (G1939) means, “a longing.” Webster says the English word “concupiscence” means, “Sexual lust; morbid carnal passion.”
Comments – Covetousness can be directed in many directions. It can penetrate every area of our lives. Within the context of the epistle of Romans, it refers to the continual cravings of the flesh.

Rom_7:8 — “For without the law sin was dead” – Comments – Before the time of the giving of the Law, we observe in the book of Genesis that God did not judge individual sins of men, although He did bring judgment upon mankind as a group when they reached certain levels of sin.
Scripture References - Note:

Joh_15:22-24, “If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.”

Rom_4:15, “Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.”

1Co_15:56, “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”

Rom_7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Rom_7:22 — Comments - The phrase “the inward man” seems to show that Paul is speaking here as a born-again believer, a new creation (Eph_3:16, 2Co_4:16).

J.

What you call the fantasy world has me very close to the Christ. Right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

Oh, boy. More name it claim it. How many more here?

May I ask what "name it claim it" means?