Another Premillennial absurdity

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lol, you disagree that folks believe what they want to believe anyway, how naive.

Some obviously do. But, I do not just believe what I want to believe, I believe what scripture teaches. And that's true for some others here as well. So, don't try to speak for everyone.

Just read the JW's, or Catholics posts which I mostly see in this forum

I don't know what you're talking about here. Are you talking about the End times forum in particular? I don't recall seeing any JWs posting here.

Believers are supposed to KNOW the word if they are studying to shew themselves approved of God. The word and the Spirit bear witness even w / o verbatim.

Right. And some of us do that. To just act as if everyone just believes what they want and that no one sincerely seeks the truth is not true.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thank you for the greeting and hello to you also.

I agree we are encouraged to rightly divide the word of God, a workman that NEEDETH NOT BE ASHAMED, not quote it. There are folks that can " QUOTE" the bible from G to R and back again but don't KNOW God.
I have seen we are given the commission to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to win souls for God, I do not think we are just to quote scriptures.

It's helpful to quote scripture in order to show why you believe what you do. Can you not understand that for some reason? If all you do is share opinions, how are we supposed to know how you came to your conclusions? We're just left to guess if you don't reference any scriptures that your opinions are based on.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thank you but I call myself a follower of Christ, a believer of God's Truth and word revealed by his Spirit.
BTW, I'm not TRYING to convince any of anything.

Well, that's good. I'd hate to think that you were trying to do that and still failing to convince anyone here of anything, which would mean your efforts were all in vain.

 

[Keturah]

Obviously this is somes first rodeo.
I was NOT referencing THIS thread but THIS forum.

Folks that have the TRUTH will KNOW the truth no matter how obscure it may seem to some.

Come now surely all any have is their opinion on what God says, it's argued over all the time in.....that word doesn't mean that, let me show you in Greek, Hebrew, or some other language besides English....lol.

Including my post here, this has been an arguing from the get- go of this site. No debate or revealing, nor trying to convince me to NOT believe in the 1000 reign that is spoken of in Revelations but bc I didn't quote scripture.

Believers take God @ his word!

Many, many argue about God's salvation plan through to eternal punishment. Look @ the folks that deny Jesus is God and rarely wonder about who the Holy Spirit is.

Seems odd ALL the self appointed OPINIONS here but mine is the one that ruffles all you birds tail feathers...lol lol lol.

 

[WPM]

Obviously this is somes first rodeo.
I was NOT referencing THIS thread but THIS forum.

Folks that have the TRUTH will KNOW the truth no matter how obscure it may seem to some.

Come now surely all any have is their opinion on what God says, it's argued over all the time in.....that word doesn't mean that, let me show you in Greek, Hebrew, or some other language besides English....lol.

Including my post here, this has been an arguing from the get- go of this site. No debate or revealing, nor trying to convince me to NOT believe in the 1000 reign that is spoken of in Revelations but bc I didn't quote scripture.

Believers take God @ his word!

Many, many argue about God's salvation plan through to eternal punishment. Look @ the folks that deny Jesus is God and rarely wonder about who the Holy Spirit is.

Seems odd ALL the self appointed OPINIONS here but mine is the one that ruffles all you birds tail feathers...lol lol lol.

Do you believe in corroboration?

 

[Timtofly]

Revelation reinforces the Amil position. It has been ongoing since the first resurrection.

The 7 Seals have not all been opened. They are not ongoing for 1900+ years. Not even Augustine was convinced of Amil, without the influence of Tyconius. He was the one introducing the Amil position of the spiritual application of the Millennium being the here and now. Revelation only reads as the Second Coming happens prior to the Millennium. Critical exegesis of Scripture paints Amil as true, when it is only the imagination of human understanding. Amil constantly gripe that Revelation is not chronological.

 

[Timtofly]

The dead in Christ are in heaven now reigning with Christ. This is the fulfillment of Revelation 20.

No, the living in Christ are in Paradise now. Those thrones in Revelation 20, hand out judgment to a specific type of human. A human beheaded during Satan's 42 months. They are still alive at this moment. They have not even physically died yet. You are making a literal text too symbolic and destroying the actual definition of the first resurrection. The first resurrection is not spiritual. The first resurrection is physical. Lazarus was given a first resurrection, and cannot be touched by the second death. The first resurrection is not limited to those beheaded. The first resurrection happens to all those in Christ. They are not dead, but they are physically alive. The first resurrection is an ongoing phenomenon since the Cross. But the thrones set up in Revelation 20:4 pass judgment on those beheaded.

Verse 6 applies to all in Christ as a generalized statement. Verse 4 is a specific event that includes the promise of verse 6, but verse 4 is not ongoing. Verse 4 rewards those beheaded with the ongoing physical first resurrection, that applies to all in Christ. Verse 6 is not limited to verse 4.

 

[Timtofly]

Folks struggle and have struggled and fought against God and his word since Enos, Seth's grandson, when man first began to call on the name of the Lord, in Genesis.

I am pretty sure Satan, Eve, and Adam struggled with the Word of God months or even years before Adam disobeyed.

It was not until Enos that Adam's dead corruptible flesh realized they actually needed to call out to the Lord/God. They may have paid lip service, but with no power nor conviction. Of course they knew who God was. They were lost and out of communication with God.

Even Cain murdered the only contact of Adam's offspring that had direct contact with God. Cain followed after Satan more than he was willing to listen and communicate with God.

 

[Timtofly]

Another typical millennial avoidance of Scripture. At least most millennialists know enough to realize posting Scripture would prove they don't argue against Amil, but against the Word of God.

I have yet to see any Scripture proclaim what Amil post. All of Scripture that Amil provide is either not about the 1,000 year reign, or is misappropriated by Amil.

Even 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 teaches a Millennium.

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits (The OT at the Cross) ; (the here and now) afterward they that are Christ's (the NT church) at his coming. (The Millennium) Then cometh the end (Revelation 20:7), when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (the 1,000 years on earth) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

The complaint is that it is just their opinion over my opinion. Jesus puts down all of Adam's authority and power at the Second Coming, but all is not subjected until after the Millennium. While it may not take 1,000 years, that is the length John gave. Paul did not think that the fulness of the Gentiles would take 2,000 years, but here we are still going strong after 1992 years. We did not need those 2,000 years to cover the earth. That happened in Paul's day. Paul was expecting the end at any moment. Paul was not prophesying the time frames. Paul did not need to. Those time frames are still legitimate periods of time.

 

[Keturah]

Attention please:

I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO THOSE I HAVE OFFENDED SINCE JOINING THIS SITE.

I AM SORRY FOR PUTTING MOST OF YOU ON IGNORE AND BEING SNARKY, SNAPPY, ANGRY AND HATING YOUR BEING.

I HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWING FROM 2 PSYCHOLOGICAL DRUGS " COLD TURKEY".

PLEASE FORGIVE AND PRAY FOR ME IT WILL BE SPEEDY AND I'LL SURVIVE IT AND NOT CAUSE TOO MUCH HARM WITH MY MOUTH.

I just looked up what was WRONG with me by the symptoms I have been exhibiting. These were supposed to be non- addictive!

Keturah

 

[WPM]

Attention please:

I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO THOSE I HAVE OFFENDED SINCE JOINING THIS SITE.

I AM SORRY FOR PUTTING MOST OF YOU ON IGNORE AND BEING SNARKY, SNAPPY, ANGRY AND HATING YOUR BEING.

I HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWING FROM 2 PSYCHOLOGICAL DRUGS " COLD TURKEY".

PLEASE FORGIVE AND PRAY FOR ME IT WILL BE SPEEDY AND I'LL SURVIVE IT AND NOT CAUSE TOO MUCH HARM WITH MY MOUTH.

I just looked up what was WRONG with me by the symptoms I have been exhibiting. These were supposed to be non- addictive!

Keturah

No worries. Thanks for your humility. I wish you all the best in your recovery. God's speed!

 

[WPM]

I have yet to see any Scripture proclaim what Amil post. All of Scripture that Amil provide is either not about the 1,000 year reign, or is misappropriated by Amil.

Even 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 teaches a Millennium.

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits (The OT at the Cross) ; (the here and now) afterward they that are Christ's (the NT church) at his coming. (The Millennium) Then cometh the end (Revelation 20:7), when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (the 1,000 years on earth) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

The complaint is that it is just their opinion over my opinion. Jesus puts down all of Adam's authority and power at the Second Coming, but all is not subjected until after the Millennium. While it may not take 1,000 years, that is the length John gave. Paul did not think that the fulness of the Gentiles would take 2,000 years, but here we are still going strong after 1992 years. We did not need those 2,000 years to cover the earth. That happened in Paul's day. Paul was expecting the end at any moment. Paul was not prophesying the time frames. Paul did not need to. Those time frames are still legitimate periods of time.

You make these sweeping statements but are unable to actually carry through with hard evidence. Sad! Where does 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 teach a Millennium? I will not hold my breath!

 

[Timtofly]

You make these sweeping statements but are unable to actually carry through with hard evidence. Sad! Where does 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 teach a Millennium? I will not hold my breath!

Obviously you did not even read the post.

 

[WPM]

Obviously you did not even read the post.

Answer the question please.

 

[rwb]

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits (The OT at the Cross) ; (the here and now) afterward they that are Christ's (the NT church) at his coming. (The Millennium) Then cometh the end (Revelation 20:7), when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (the 1,000 years on earth) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

Wpm asks a valid question where is your proof for this supposed one thousand years found in 1Cor 15:23-26? This reply in no way proves what you assume. Typical Premillennial guessing game, are you sure you aren't getting your answers from the 'Left Behind' book of fiction?

 

[WPM]

Wpm asks a valid question where is your proof for this supposed one thousand years found in 1Cor 15:23-26? This reply in no way proves what you assume. Typical Premillennial guessing game, are you sure you aren't getting your answers from the 'Left Behind' book of fiction?

Exactly. It is impossible getting him to address the facts.

 

[WPM]

It's helpful to quote scripture in order to show why you believe what you do. Can you not understand that for some reason? If all you do is share opinions, how are we supposed to know how you came to your conclusions? We're just left to guess if you don't reference any scriptures that your opinions are based on.

Bro, this is the pattern here lately. Repeat something enough and that makes it a fact!

 

[WPM]

Wpm asks a valid question where is your proof for this supposed one thousand years found in 1Cor 15:23-26? This reply in no way proves what you assume. Typical Premillennial guessing game, are you sure you aren't getting your answers from the 'Left Behind' book of fiction?

It is so hard to get a Premil away from Rev 20.

 

[Timtofly]

Answer the question please.

Read the post. I did answer the question.

 

[Timtofly]

Wpm asks a valid question where is your proof for this supposed one thousand years found in 1Cor 15:23-26? This reply in no way proves what you assume. Typical Premillennial guessing game, are you sure you aren't getting your answers from the 'Left Behind' book of fiction?

Do you not think that it has been 1992 years between the Cross and the Second Coming? Why did Paul not claim 2,000 years in the verse? Paul does not have to say 1,000 years between the Second Coming and the end. John told us that amount of time.

Paul thought he would still be alive at the Second Coming. Obviously that did not happen. There is a gap between the Cross and the Second Coming. There is a gap between the Second Coming and the end.

You don't even accept that the OT redeemed were presented at the Cross to God.

The whole church is presented at the Second Coming.

1,000 years of a perfect earth with a perfect population, minus a few people who listen to Satan at the end, will be presented at the end of current creation.

3 different presentations are mentioned. Jesus Christ reigned from Adam to the Cross, no? Why not? You think He only reigned after the Cross? Are you not limiting Christ as King in your narrow view of eschatology? Jesus will have reigned for 8,000 years, but to you only about 2,000 years.