Amigo's Question and Answer Thread

[Ronald Nolette]

S

Splitting too many hairs brother. There is one God, one faith, one spirit and one body from cover to cover.

No. Just letting the bible speak for itself. There is only one faith, Lord and baptism and one God. but our one god is manifest in three separate and distinct "persons". They have done differing things apart from each other during the ages.

We do not pray to Jesus. We pray only to teh Father
We worship Father and son.
We don't worship or pray to teh spirit.

The spirit exalts the son who exalts teh Father. This is all in the bible and we should just simply accept it.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So you set the bar at if one says they beleive JESUS died for our sins , was buried and rose from the dead on the third day .
YOU ALL would have championed me as a solider of JESUS the CHRIST , WHEN I NEVER KNEW HIM

How can one believe in Jesus unless he knows Jesus, has a relationship with Him, and trusts Him?
So initially you lied to everyone, pretended and it was an empty claim. You still seem to lack faith in God for His ability to protect the BODY. ??? And you seem to think the Harlot has seduced half or more of the Body.
There are app. 2.7 billion Christians: Catholics, Protestants, Easter Orthodox, Non- Denominational, etc. And you cannot put your finger on any one of them and claim they will go to Hell. So you should watch yourself, judge not ... you're not qualified!
If one truly believes, he also knows Jesus. He has been baptized by the Holy Spirit and received a conformation by Him. Studying the Bible, following and applying Biblical principles in our lives, praying to God and having prayers answered along with a hunger for the WORD and a change in our world view accompanies our belief. Jesus changes us. We recognize it and others see it. "By their fruit, you will know them."
That said, I suppose many attend church for the wrong reasons. Maybe to please their wives or parents. They sit, put on a smile and go through the motions. That may go on for decades and we really see no change in the person. But we just don't know. Many scriptures have penetrated, become embedded in them. They lie dormant until something happens and they are finally enlightened. It could be on there death bed. So give people a break, evidently God is more merciful and at work in people's lives more than you think.

 

[ScottA]

But choosing the Tree of Life means we must not choose the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It may be so that there are things going on covertly in this world as you say.....but all that is God's business I believe - and He is God and we are not - He is ruling and reigning and dealing with government authorities and raising/lowering kings and kingdoms according to His will and wisdom. And He is a God who sends both good and evil at various times/place for His purposes etc. We must not believe that He intends for the church to put down our ploughshares and take up swords to join a crusade of bloodshed. Our weapons are not carnal. Even David could not build the Father's house because he had blood on his hands. We as believers need to especially guard our hearts in these days.

While I concur with most of that, the choice of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was made for all of humanity back in the garden. That part is done. From that beginning God has set before all life and death, blessing and cursing, telling us that unless we also take and eat of the tree of Life, we will not see salvation.

Even so, even though bloodshed is not my preference, it is written and now made manifest that we shall see the demise of our enemies and also jubilee acted out as a witness unto the world, and is the fulfillment of the promises from God. But do not misunderstand, what is to occur and is even now occurring is not "great tribulation" although it may appear to be, it is only a small enactment bringing about a major shift that changes the world--just as the crucifixion of Christ was also even a local and relatively small event in the eyes of the world, but changed everything.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

My the church is so badly infected with the world's political correctness. Who is saying being discerning means to be judgmental and condemning? Aren't we supposed to be discerning and wise as serpents while being harmless as doves? Does God want us to be gullible and deceived?

I don't adhere to political correctness. To which comment of mine are you referring to that you think falls into that category?

I have been sensitized to evil. I think most Christians are given this perspective, a new world view, able to identify sin, see it in oursleves and grow to hate it. But we are told to hate the sin, not the sinner! It is difficult at times - people can be horrible. I have the gift of discerning spirits. I discern good from evil. I did not always have that, for I did evil things that I was not aware of. But still, having this ability does not also give me the right to condemn anyone. Only God has the power to judge and render them reprobate and Judgment Day is coming.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

We are not Jesus wife yet. We are only the espoused! God the Father had a wife and divorced her and will remarry her when He saves the remnant of Israel that survives the tribulation.

Gee, I never heard that one before. I am only aware of one future Bride, the Church. Spiritually we are already in the Body of Christ and becoming one. We are betrothed to be married when the Body is complete. Then we will be redeemed and one with Him perfectly.
Israel part of the Vine and some remained and some were cut off so that the Gentiles could be grafted in.
Okay I found it, Jer. 3:14. I guess you are right ...?

 

[Lizbeth]

No. Just letting the bible speak for itself. There is only one faith, Lord and baptism and one God. but our one god is manifest in three separate and distinct "persons". They have done differing things apart from each other during the ages.
We do not pray to Jesus. We pray only to teh Father
We worship Father and son.
We don't worship or pray to teh spirit.

The spirit exalts the son who exalts teh Father. This is all in the bible and we should just simply accept it

Only one way to be saved for both Jew and Gentile and that is through the Son. His goings forth have been from of old says the Psalm.......and the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Johann]

We do not pray to Jesus. We pray only to teh Father

Incorrect-
Stephen's Prayer to Jesus
Acts 7:59-60: "And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on (ἐπικαλεῖσθαι) God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, 'Lord, do not charge them with this sin.' And when he had said this, he fell asleep."
Greek Words: Stephen ἐπικαλεῖσθαι (epikaleisthai) or "called upon" the Lord Jesus in prayer as he was being martyred, directly addressing Him and entrusting his spirit to Jesus.

2. Paul's Prayer to Jesus
2 Corinthians 12:8-9: "Concerning this thing I pleaded (παρεκάλεσα) with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.'"
Greek Words: Paul παρεκάλεσα (parekalesa) or "pleaded" with the Lord (Jesus) in a direct petition, seeking relief from his affliction.

3. Prayer for Jesus' Return
Revelation 22:20: "He who testifies to these things says, 'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!"
Greek Words: While the specific Greek term for "prayer" isn’t used here, the phrase "come, Lord Jesus!" functions as a direct appeal or prayer (προσευχή, proseuchē) to Jesus for His return.

4. The Apostles' Prayer to Jesus
Acts 1:24-25: "And they prayed (προσευξάμενοι) and said, 'You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.'"
Greek Words: The apostles προσευξάμενοι (proseuxamenoi) or "prayed" to Jesus, asking Him to guide their decision in choosing Judas' replacement.

5. Invocation of Jesus' Name
1 Corinthians 1:2: "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on (ἐπικαλουμένοις) the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours."
Greek Words: The term ἐπικαλουμένοις (epikaloumenois) is used here to describe how early Christians would "call on" the name of Jesus in prayer, signifying direct invocation of Christ.


These passages use the Greek terms for prayer (προσευχή) and calling upon (ἐπικαλέομαι) to show that early Christians prayed to Jesus, directly invoking His name and seeking His aid. These examples demonstrate that prayer to Jesus was an established practice, reflecting His divine status and the early believers’ recognition of His authority and presence.
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-108 AD)
Example: In his letter to the Romans, Ignatius expressed his desire to be united with Christ and mentioned praying to Jesus. He writes, "Permit me to be an imitator of the passion of my God" (Letter to the Romans, 6.3). His use of "my God" in reference to Jesus shows his devotion and the practice of addressing Jesus in prayer.

2. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD)
Example: Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, is recorded to have prayed to Jesus at his martyrdom. Before his death, he prayed, "I bless You, for having been deemed worthy of this day and hour, that I might take a portion among the number of martyrs in the cup of Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp, 14:2). This prayer reflects his faith and invocation of Jesus.

3. Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 AD)
Example: In Dialogue with Trypho, Justin refers to Christians as those who "pray to God the Father and to Jesus Christ" (Chapter 85). Justin acknowledged the practice of addressing prayers to both the Father and the Son, highlighting Jesus' divine role.

4. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215 AD)
Example: Clement often spoke of praying to Christ, particularly in his work Exhortation to the Greeks. He refers to Jesus as the "Savior" and "God" to whom Christians offer prayers, showing the early tradition of prayer directed to Jesus.

5. Origen (c. 185-253 AD)
Example: Origen, in his work On Prayer, explicitly states that prayers should be offered to God through Jesus Christ. While he emphasizes praying to the Father, he acknowledges that Jesus, as the Logos and mediator, is also addressed in prayer.

The practice of praying to Jesus was well-established among the early Church Fathers. They viewed Jesus as divine, the Son of God, and as someone who could be addressed directly in prayer. This reflects the early Christian belief in the divinity of Christ and His active role in the spiritual lives of believers. These examples demonstrate that praying to Jesus was not only accepted but encouraged as part of Christian worship and devotion.

 

[rwb]

Then show me from the OT one person who confesses Jesus as Lord and believed He would die and physically rise for their sin.

There were many prophecies concerning Him, but as it is written, they did not know who and what they were prophesying about.

All who are saved throughout the ages are saved because of Jesus death and resurrection, but not all put their personal faith in Him.

They could not confess the name of Jesus until Christ was called by that name. The Old Covenant faithful saints knew Him only as Messiah/Savior ordained to come to redeem His people. When Christ, the Messiah/Savior finally came all the prophets foretell regarding His coming was fulfilled. That's why they are without excuse for denying Him and turning Him over to Gentiles to be crucified. The Old Covenant saints BELIEVED all the prophets foretell concerning Christ. Therefore, they too were saved according to grace through faith (believing) in the same way believers in every age have been and shall be saved.

 

[rwb]

Absolutely! But the object of their faith in the differing dispensations of the OT times were different than the object of faith in the church age. It was and is still by grace through faith and all sin was paid for the blood of Jesus. but that wasn't known until it happened.

The object that saved Old Covenant faithful saints was the Messiah/Savior, Christ Jesus our Lord. The same Messiah/Savior, Christ Jesus our Lord that saves whosoever believes in Him regardless of whether they live before or after the first advent of Christ come to earth a man.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don't adhere to political correctness. To which comment of mine are you referring to that you think falls into that category?

I have been sensitized to evil. I think most Christians are given this perspective, a new world view, able to identify sin, see it in oursleves and grow to hate it. But we are told to hate the sin, not the sinner! It is difficult at times - people can be horrible. I have the gift of discerning spirits. I discern good from evil. I did not always have that, for I did evil things that I was not aware of. But still, having this ability does not also give me the right to condemn anyone. Only God has the power to judge and render them reprobate and Judgment Day is coming.

Political correctness is a spirit of false accusation that silences people from speaking simple truth and their own mind....which has allowed the devil free reign to do a lot of mischief in these past years. The church has been infected with that same spirit that is infecting the world/society.

 

[amigo de christo]

Then show me from the OT one person who confesses Jesus as Lord and believed He would die and physically rise for their sin.

There were many prophecies concerning Him, but as it is written, they did not know who and what they were prophesying about.

All who are saved throughout the ages are saved because of Jesus death and resurrection, but not all put their personal faith in Him.

David did . as did others .
Look at what peter says concerning david who saw CHRIST
thou will not leave me in hell nor allow thy holy one to SEE CORRUPTION . OH ITS in the old test my friend .
It sure is . David saw this himself . and peter quoates this and shows the church this .
Thanks for asking that question . IT is good that we do ask questions so as we can learn .

 

[amigo de christo]

S

Splitting too many hairs brother. There is one God, one faith, one spirit and one body from cover to cover.

He asked for proof . by grace i gave him proof .
look WHO peter quoates . David. David saw his ressurection and speaks about it
and peter later quaotes this to the people .

 

[amigo de christo]

Absolutely! But the object of their faith in the differing dispensations of the OT times were different than the object of faith in the church age. It was and is still by grace through faith and all sin was paid for the blood of Jesus. but that wasn't known until it happened.

The object of their faith was IN THE COMING MESSIAH .
It was in the same messiah even we now beleive In my friend .
As far as the death burial and ressurection . Even david seen it and spoke of it .
Now in part this was hidden from the apostels , JESUS did preach it though
but they did not understand it , NOT Till after HE rose from the dead . But it was preached to them too.
Just like it was in torah and david sees it and it too is recorded .

 

[amigo de christo]

Political correctness is a spirit of false accusation that silences people from speaking simple truth and their own mind....which has allowed the devil free reign to do a lot of mischief in these past years. The church has been infected with that same spirit that is infecting the world/society.

Political correctness is mans means by which he silences the voice and voices of truth .
It is the means by which the inquity could abound so quickly .
WHEN society and worse the churches fell under this spell of inclusive love
the love that judges not but rather allows the sinner to remain in sin and
thus allows leaven to rise and take over society and ANY CHURCH that does this pattern too .
THE DEVIL is the one behind the political correct , judge not , wordly version of a love
that allows leaven , wont correct leaven , makes it seem judgmental and hateful to expose and correct those in sin .
The love that encourages UNEQUAL yoking that causes the church and people who yoke up , aka find common ground ,
to fall to the darkness . There was a reason why JESUS and the apostles did correct sin and error .
There was and is a reason FOR WHY GOD SAYS ANYTHING . It works to the good of the hearer and the DOER
of said word , of said pattern . Problem is , man has always found a way HE THINKS is better than WHAT GOD SAID
and instructed . And always its for hidden reasons , reasons that serve the flesh , NOT GOD .
More numbers , more money .
Less rebuking and exposing sin , MORE SEATS stay filled and the business the church got turned into , WELL
it keeps on thriving . OR SO THEY THINK . thriving as in it keeps making money and keeps numbers
BUT man does it fall into poverty , darkness and total rebellion against GOD .
Man has always seen himself as wise in his own eyes . And through that wisdom
invents many ways HE THINKS might win souls , or might etc . BUT always it works to the destruction and not to the
edification of the church . And as far as converts goes , THEY aint winning sheep
they winning worldly people by wordly means and the people they produce end up in time TWICE as bad
as even they were . THE LEAVEN just keeps rising up . THE DEVIL sure does know
how to influence the FLESH and carnal minds of men and to lead them into what they BELIEVE
is utopia and good for them , BUT ITS really into destruction and father into rebellion against GOD .
Now this is a fact . The longer this PC inclusive common ground so called love continued
and continues , THE WORSE IT GETS and will get . THE MORE their love will lead them into UTTER hatred
and hardness of heart against THE ACTUAL TRUTH , THAT GOD , HIS CHRIST , THOSE WORDS . I AM SEEING IT SISTER .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Political correctness is mans means by which he silences the voice and voices of truth .
It is the means by which the inquity could abound so quickly .
WHEN society and worse the churches fell under this spell of inclusive love
the love that judges not but rather allows the sinner to remain in sin and
thus allows leaven to rise and take over society and ANY CHURCH that does this pattern too .
THE DEVIL is the one behind the political correct , judge not , wordly version of a love
that allows leaven , wont correct leaven , makes it seem judgmental and hateful to expose and correct those in sin .
The love that encourages UNEQUAL yoking that causes the church and people who yoke up , aka find common ground ,
to fall to the darkness . There was a reason why JESUS and the apostles did correct sin and error .
There was and is a reason FOR WHY GOD SAYS ANYTHING . It works to the good of the hearer and the DOER
of said word , of said pattern . Problem is , man has always found a way HE THINKS is better than WHAT GOD SAID
and instructed . And always its for hidden reasons , reasons that serve the flesh , NOT GOD .
More numbers , more money .
Less rebuking and exposing sin , MORE SEATS stay filled and the business the church got turned into , WELL
it keeps on thriving . OR SO THEY THINK . thriving as in it keeps making money and keeps numbers
BUT man does it fall into poverty , darkness and total rebellion against GOD .
Man has always seen himself as wise in his own eyes . And through that wisdom
invents many ways HE THINKS might win souls , or might etc . BUT always it works to the destruction and not to the
edification of the church . And as far as converts goes , THEY aint winning sheep
they winning worldly people by wordly means and the people they produce end up in time TWICE as bad
as even they were . THE LEAVEN just keeps rising up . THE DEVIL sure does know
how to influence the FLESH and carnal minds of men and to lead them into what they BELIEVE
is utopia and good for them , BUT ITS really into destruction and father into rebellion against GOD .
Now this is a fact . The longer this PC inclusive common ground so called love continued
and continues , THE WORSE IT GETS and will get . THE MORE their love will lead them into UTTER hatred
and hardness of heart against THE ACTUAL TRUTH , THAT GOD , HIS CHRIST , THOSE WORDS . I AM SEEING IT SISTER .

Brother is spotted

 

[Marvelloustime]

 

[Lizbeth]

While I concur with most of that, the choice of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a made for all of humanity back in the garden. That part is done. From that beginning God has set before all life and death, blessing and cursing, telling us that unless we also take and eat of the tree of Life, we will not see salvation.

Even so, even though bloodshed is not my preference, it is written and now made manifest that we shall see the demise of our enemies and also jubilee acted out as a witness unto the world, and is the fulfillment of the promises from God. But do not misunderstand, what is to occur and is even now occurring is not "great tribulation" although it may appear to be, it is only a small enactment bringing about a major shift that changes the world--just as the crucifixion of Christ was also even a local and relatively small event in the eyes of the world, but changed everything.

Change or destruction? I dont know if I'm understanding you correctly, but just in case I want to point out that the bible says everything that can be shaken will be shaken until only what can't be shaken remains. What can't be shaken is spiritual, not earthly (temporal)....only the kingdom of God can't be shaken.....aka new heavens/earth. And so shall we forever be with the Lord. 2Peter 3 says this world will be burned up at the return of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 says Jesus returns the kingdom back to the Father after He judges this world at His return. The 1000 years that Rev speaks of is this age of grace....see in 2Peter 3 how the thousand years is as a day is referring to the time of God's longsuffering and grace that we are to account as salvation, a time when people are mocking at the idea of judgment because the world is going on for along time in this age without being judged yet.

I don't see that we are to be looking for an outward earthly kingdom......as Jesus said, His kingdom comes not with our careful observation that man says lo here it is or there, but is within/among those who believe. And we are told that our hopes are to be ABOVE. I'm seeing more and more how looking for an earthly utopia is a false hope and expectation that will lead many to unite under a false messiah who will promise them that. Jesus said if anyone says to you "lo here He is, or lo there" to not go after them. Instead the return of Christ is likened to lightning that lights up the sky from east to west. What does lightening do? It kindles FIRE. It speaks of judgment and destruction.

So the return of the Lord will be characterized by wrath and judgment, not by a kumbyah hope of this world being turned into a utopia. Again, our hope needs to be above, not here.

Isa 13:6

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jer 46:10

For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Eze 30:3

For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe 1:15

Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

2Pe 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

 

[Marvelloustime]

 

[Johann]

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And there goes the blasphemous teaching that Jesus was in hell.

 

[amigo de christo]

And there goes the blasphemous teaching that Jesus was in hell.

Many do teach , through error , that somehow Jesus must have been in the lake of fire .
But hell is often used to descibe death itself . Now it is also in places used to describe this eternal fire too .
The more i read the bible for me , the more i learned this .
Just like the word Judge was also at times used in the place of condemn
Whereas its also used as a means to correct error , do ye not JUDGE those that are within . that
verses , WHERE JESUS said JUDGE NOT , his meaning is CONDMEN NOT
But many use his meaning to imply we are not to judge , aka correct .
Again by just reading the bible i learned this .
Just like james and his death faith speech
and ye must have works
DID not contradict the fact as paul said that ye are saved by FAITH .
even paul says if one provides not , a work , for his own , specially his own household he has denied THE FAITH .
Just like tempatation .
WHere james says GOD DOES NOT TEMPT US , its our flesh . That is actual temptaions of the flesh .
YET in the Old test it uses the word GOD tempted abraham . AND YET we see it was a TRIAL .
so temptation in the older use of english was used in place of trial as well . THEY spoke like that
more so back in earlier enligsh . But again , by just simple bible reading , BY the grace of GOD
i learned these things . YOU can tell when one version is being used and the other version of same word
is also being used to mean trial or temptation etc .
The MORE we love to read and do read that bible , I TELL US ALL it comes together .
But beware of men for many do twist things , take things out of text .
YE shall know them by HOW THEY USE one part and the part they use to justify their false teachings
WILL CONTRADICT other parts . IF SO , THIS lamb aint heed squat they say concering that matter .
The MORE we read and do so for ourselves , What pure beauty , how simple it do become .
Let us all do a nose dive head first into our bible .