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ScottA
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Tongues, sorry.
The seven days the pattern after the days of creation, were divided in Daniel's prophecy which referred to both the three and the seven in "a time, times, and half a time." Daniel's prophecy referred to the seven times as "weeks" (times 10, as referring to: "all" of time), showing the original days or times as being "divided" according to the creation account, which is to say, "divided" between darkness and light. All of which shows the Son of Man set over all seven times of darkness and light (as night and day), which being divided is three days of darkness and three of light, with Christ standing in the middle as one with one foot on the land and one on the sea, as Messiah cut off. The seven days are three days including both darkness and light with the divide in the middle. Jesus's salvation only refers to the three days of light, as divided from the darkness. However, all seven days are divided. You'll have to do the math.
You know the scriptures.
I have connected the dots for you in brief, but you will have to take it in to get the gist of it all...which was not to be revealed until the time of the end. This is that time.
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Ronald Nolette
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Well I prefer to follow what Jesus taught us how to pray:
Matthew 6:8-10
King James Version
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6
King James Version
6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
18. That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Ronald Nolette
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No they do not!
Jesus pleads on our behalf. as a mediator not as one who hears our intercessions and then goes to the Father.
If you look closely at the verses you cited- they teach us to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. That means in the authority granted to us by Jesus. It does not mean we go to Jesus who goes to the Father.
also right now God the Father is on the throne of Heaven, always has been and always will be. That does not diminish the deity of Jesus, but just shows us from Wcripture the order and unity of the trinity.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes the physical kingdom offer was revoked to Israel for a later generation of Jews. but the spiritual component of the kingdom is alive and well in the hearts of all believers. The physical kingdom for Israel will be established when Jesus physically returns.
At first you said NOT to pray to Jesus-and now you concur.
Jesus Intercedes:
Romans 8:34 (Lexham Bible):
"Who is the one who will condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died, and more than that he was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us."
[Jesus pleads on our behalf. as a mediator not as one who hears our intercessions and then goes to the Father.] Don't know what to make of this?
Hebrews 7:25 (Lexham Bible):
"Therefore also he is able to save completely those who draw near to God through him, because he always lives in order to intercede for them."
The Holy Spirit Intercedes:
Romans 8:26-27 (Lexham Bible):
"And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God."
Jesus Hears:
John 14:13-14 (Lexham Bible):
"And whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it."
1 John 5:14-15 (Lexham Bible):
"And this is the confidence that we have before him: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked from him."
I agree.
But I think that maybe it's meant in a more concrete way.
Maybe Jesus meant it to be a real Kingdom with real people that could make the world be a better place.
Spiritual, yes, but also more if we could only be in accord and live the life He meant for us.
I think that Jesus came for this FIRST, and then realized a new church had to be established because this Kingdom (spiritual or otherwise) could not exist within the Jewish religion that was established and which crucified Him.
amigo de christo
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I was not saying greek and hebrew is wrong . I was explaining the deadly danger behind
these people who try and make it seem as though one cannot learn the bible and they try and downplay
the older verisions by saying the original authors did not know greek or have this reptus or that .
Now why would they have done such a thing johann .
Think about this .
WHY would men try and imply that somehow the true men , like tyndale , wycliff and others
Did not have this or that and thus its not quite as good a translation as it could have been .
Because they want us to trust more in todays scholars and etc .
Its a recipe to get people to think they wont know the bible as well as they could
unless .........................
That was why i kept saying to you , I learned this by just reading the scrips .
If people would spend more time JUST reading the scriptures rather than trying to heed
men who explain them , they had done far better .
Its not cause i think everyone who uses greek is false or that uses hebrew is false .
Its just a lot of folks are gonna decieve through this means .
And me , i just want folks to simply read and learn the bible for themselves .
IF i didnt have to learn greek or hebrew to learn the bible , then why would we heed
men who make it seem as though its a must do .
You have to see the BIGGER picture at work my friend .
MEN are using this to decieve . most are . Look at how fast its gaining momentum .
The simplier thing would be , we should focus again on the basic teachings of JESUS , of the apostels
Because what i seem to notice with most , not saying YOU , Not saying YOU ,
is that i see many use greek , even use hebrew names and etc
And yet you know what i dont see in much , BASIC SIMPLE NEED TO KNOW KNOWELDGE .
OH they can quoate and speak greek words , or hebrew
But they even attack and go after people who would warn , rebuke , remind
about SIMPLE things that everyone should have known .
And that is why For years and for years i have been doing all to get folks back into just reading the bible for themselves.
Most people cannot even have a conversation with their own tongue anymore .
IF you bring something , THEY just cut copy and paste responses from some book or manuel or website .
And still they dont even have basic knoweldge and many even support and justify sins and even
disregaurd the orginal gospel .
SO what do we end up with . A generation that might know some languages , some things
But it has zero knowledge about what IT really should have known . i see this a lot johann .
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Right-pick a topic, doctrine about our Lord Jesus Christ you want to discuss-let's say-Am I obligated to keep ALL the 10 commandments to receive eternal life?
Do you believe that Penal Substitutionary Atonement is biblical?
How about water baptism? Binding or no?
amigo de christo
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Everything that was done by Christ had been long determined before even Israel was ........
And as far as it not existing with the jewish religoin , IT had been spoken of by the very prophets of whom
they read daily but did not know or truly hear said torah , said prophets .
Let us remember this well the next time a bishop , a deacon , a priest , preacher , teacher , or any one
stands to tell us that the muslims and others , do worship the same GOD we do .
Cause if even those who were of the lineage of ISSAC , the child of promise , were cast out
due to unbelief That JESUS IS THE CHRIST ,
the muslims who cliam to be of ishmael , who was not even the child of promise , THEY ARE CAST OUT TOO .
You see both muslims and jews can cliam to follow moses , can claim to be of abraham even
But THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING .
YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN . and the BORN AGAIN CALL JESUS THE CHRIST , THE LORD , THE MESSIAH .
You might be wondering why on earth i brought this reminder up to us again .
WELL we have us a tanked christendom on our hands . The RCC leads in this lie
and the protestant daughters sell out to her lie . In other words, WE need to get in the bible
for ourselves and start learning my dear friend .
Because if a man , whether jew or whether gentile born
DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , GETS DENIED BY JESUS THE CHRIST .
If a man claims i love GOD and know GOD and love GOD
but fails to BELEIVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND,
who fails to beleive the very TESTIMONY OF GOD HIMSELF about the SON .
WELL , they can holller God all day and cliam to love him and heed etc etcetc
BUT THEY CALL HIM A LIAR . and THEY DO NOT have the LOVE OF GOD within them .
NOR do they LOVE GOD , for hadthey loved GOD they would have SO LOVED HE WHO CAME FORTH of GOD .
See who simple that message is . And yet one would be amazed at how often folks speak quite contrary TO IT .
amigo de christo
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I got a bit tickled my friend , please forgive me .
Its just when i seen such a long word like penal subsitutionary atonement , I GOTS ZERO idea what that even means .
Though from its title it do seem to be perhaps man made .
But please explain what it is , so as i can leave a response to as whether i believe it or not .
As far as water baptism .
WHAT SAVES us IS OUR FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST . no true faith in him and one can dunk all day long
that water wont save them .
HOWEVER , if the early church made sure to do it to BELIEVERS , then i suggest we do the same .
Everything they taught and did , I say we teach and do .
amigo de christo
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No faith in JESUS , NO salvation .
now i seen many go down into the water a dry sinner only to come up a wet one .
THEY STILL loveth their sin . so where is and was their faith , was it perhaps in another jesus .
See what we need to do is get this people back to the basics and i do mean fast .
Because sad as this is to have to say , and believe me i do weep , MOST follow another jesus .
And i mean another jesus . as in IT AINT THE JESUS CHRIST at all .
No problem @Marvelloustime should you think I am unreasonable with @amigo de christo YOU keep on marching-we are in the last days and there are many pseudo believers who have never been saved roaming the Internet and Forums.
Matthew 13:24-30 (NKJV)
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
29 But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
Matthew 13:36-43 (NKJV)
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Isaiah 61:11 (NKJV)
11 For as the earth brings forth its bud, as the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth, so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Joel 3:13 (NKJV)
13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, go down; for the winepress is full, the vats overflow—for their wickedness is great."
Revelation 14:14-19 (NKJV)
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, "Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe."
19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
and last time I've checked @Marvelloustime --
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Shalom
J.
amigo de christo
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The keeping of the commandments of the law will not make one righteous in the sight of the HOLY GOD .
THOUGH this was HIS desire that they did keep the law , the law itself was a means to keep the trangressions at bay
TILL THE PROMISE DID COME . the torah , the prophets , moses and abraham , THEY SEEN something .
Something was revealed , And one can sum it up by saying man shall not live by bread alone
but by EVERY WORD OF GOD , BY THE LIFE GIVING BREAD THAT GOD DID SEND DOWN from heaven .
Whereby if a man believes in HIM they do recieve the promise of that HOLY SPIRIT .
Yes i know the SPIRIT does even draw us to him .
Now by this SPIRIT there is a new heart upon which WE WOULD THEN LOVE and have LOVED THE WORDS OF GOD
as a treasure chest upon the heart . THE SPIRIT puts the LOVE FOR THE TRUTH , FOR GOD above all , HIS CHRIST above
all even upon our hearts .
But i fear that many have been cunningly and crafitly and by means or their own flesh
Deceived into following another jesus . and that one sure seems to not have a problem with their sins
their trangressions , their disobediance . IT picks and chooses what scips to heed and by its means
it twists scrips to fit their own hearts desires and thus UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION .
The basics . We got to get this people back to the basics .
And by early church you mean what? The ECF?
Am I obligated to keep/guard/fence the 10 commandments?
If you don't want to look up PSA and the 7 theories I can't help brother.
amigo de christo
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You keep seeing it as an attack . And beleive me its easy to not understand a message on the screen .
Rest your mind my friend . Really read what i am saying . its not an attack against any language
ITS an all out assualt on something else . WHY would men have ever dreamed or dared
to imply the things they did about the writers of the older translations .
WHY , cause they want to convince us to trust IN TODAYS mindsets rather than the ORGINAL mindset .
SO if you cannot get the peoples out of a bible , WELL then lets just use every means
available to twist it , to push them into another direction . including acting like WE GOT US the better greek
than the original translators did . THEY are slick johann .
Nothing wrong with learning languages , but trying to implant the idea
that somehow todays scholars have it better than the men who first rewrote said scriptures
IS A HUGE mistake and that is HOW one can be easily decieved .
Has the oringial KJV really said ........................
Nay nay sayeth a voice , while it may be a good version , many cannot truly learn it well enough
lest they ........................
BIG mistake . I dont care if one wants to use greek or not . what i care about
is that men know and understand this is a recipe to set one up to trust in MAN , in his direction
under his guidance , and many i see today , THEY AINT even guiding the church towards
GOD or HIS CHRIST or the TRUTH . rather its agenda time for them .
You have not answered my question-so here it is.
Matthew 28:20 (NKJV)
"Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen."
John 14:15 (NKJV)
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."
John 14:21 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 15:10 (NKJV)
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love."
John 15:14 (NKJV)
"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you."
1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV)
"Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."
1 John 2:3-4 (NKJV)
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1 John 3:22-24 (NKJV)
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."
1 John 5:2-3 (NKJV)
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."
2 John 1:6 (NKJV)
"This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it."
Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."
Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
2 or 10?
amigo de christo
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Just the sound of it , seven theories , that bothers me big time .
Why not ask a simple question .
Like you did with water baptism .
Sounds almost catholic to me . substaniary . dont they use that term .
Substaning . my best guess is it comes from the word substain .
Johann i didnt spend my time in churches learning all these different meanings .
I spent my time just learning the bible . Thank GOD for it too i say .
cause by the time i got online about five years later , i was like OH MY GOODNESS
this people be in trouble .
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