Amigo's Question and Answer Thread

[amigo de christo]

And there goes the blasphemous teaching that Jesus was in hell.

Two examples of the same word but different meanings .
Hell often meant death .
but JESUS also used the word , BEING IN Hell , to be cast into hell where etc
NOW this is describing more a place of eternal torment one goes to after death .
BUT the same word is used . THIS IS WHY many make the mistake
of saying JESUS was in HELL and yet think it means that enternal torment etc .
HE simply conquered death and He who had the power over death .
Judge not . do not condmen.
do ye not judge , TO Judge righteously , to correct error and etc .
YET the same word judge is used . and many often make that mistake too
when trying to justify a lie about judge not and using it to imply Overlook sins , dont expose them , dont correct .
WE just gotta get in the bible my friend .

 

[Johann]

Many do teach , through error , that somehow Jesus must have been in the lake of fire .
But hell is often used to descibe death itself . Now it is also in places used to describe this eternal fire too .
The more i read the bible for me , the more i learned this .

Hebrew Concordance: liš·’ō·w·lāh -- 1 Occurrence

Psalm 16:10 Interlinear: For Thou dost not leave my soul to Sheol, Nor givest thy saintly one to see corruption.

 

[Johann]

Hebrew Concordance: liš·’ō·w·lāh -- 1 Occurrence

Psalm 16:10 Interlinear: For Thou dost not leave my soul to Sheol, Nor givest thy saintly one to see corruption.

Can simple mean "the grave"

 

[amigo de christo]

And there goes the blasphemous teaching that Jesus was in hell.

And there it does indeed my friend . The eternal lake of fire is for unbelievers , not believers .
Hell . hell . two different meanings yet the same word .
WE just gotta learn our bible well . AND GOD will show us and in time the differences we may even have thought existed
between the doctrines and teachings of the apostels or Christ , Will BE KNOWN it was never in contradiction at all.
Problem is most folks just didnt really want to read bible for themselves and put the time into it .
But again beware of men .
let me give you an example i have seen throughout history .
THE RCC , oh the versions of that kjv , geneva and etc are not accurate , HERE COME SIT UNDER US so as you can learn .
Lets look real closely at the JW . this ought to be very very interesting johann .
WHAT and HOW did they get a new bible .
GREEK . The man claimed to KNOW it . said the older version of the KJV was corrupted
And thus GOD gave him the knowlege of greek so as a new bible , a accurate bible could be given .
WHAT A LOAD OF HOGWASH . but you would be amazed at how many people do as did
many .
OH the older versions , the men that wrote them DID NOT HAVE THE KNOWELEDGE we do today
about this or that , HERE COME LET US TEACH YOU .
the oldest trick , but it sure do seem to work on many people .
As for me . THE KJV IS GOOD AND LOVELY
and if i dont understand an older english word , I gots me a dictionary .
Rather odd though , when the older word i didnt know was used in a sentence
i seemed to understand what it was implying and meaning and the defintion in the old old
english dictionary , which i do have , Gave the same understanding .
As far as when certain words were listed in a list . Now that i did not know and did have to look up to know .
BUT WHEN a word was used in a sentence , By grace i knew what it was implying .
And learned by grace i did and stayed in just the bible i have for years upon years now my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Can simple mean "the grave"

VERY TRUE my freind . now how did i know that having never learned greek . my point is not to attack greek
but to show us all something . YE can learn just fine BY JUST reading the scrips for you .
But something i have seen and seen a lot is
A TON of men who use greek and while they use it correctly to define what it means
THEY ALSO TWIST STUFF , other scrips unto their own destruction .
And what i do not like one little bit
is this idea they are deceiving the churches into beleiving .
Like somehow them older translations were not as good as they could ahve been due to these men lacked greek knowledge .
THAT IS A SET UP right there . And men are gonna take to it and go and sit under
pastors and scholars , WHO WILL NOT rightly divide , who will use the greek to seduce these poor souls .
AND this is massive my friend .
No sir . i am not against learning greek i am however against these lies that these so calledscholars
and many are trying to sell to this LAST generation
that in order to really KNOW YOUR BIBLE , HERE COME SIT UNDER US and let us show you the greek .
THAT IS A MASSIVE SET UP to decieve a people . right there . and me NO LIKEY IT one bit .

 

[Johann]

VERY TRUE my freind . now how did i know that having never learned greek . my point is not to attack greek
but to show us all something . YE can learn just fine BY JUST reading the scrips for you .
But something i have seen and seen a lot is
A TON of men who use greek and while they use it correctly to define what it means
THEY ALSO TWIST STUFF , other scrips unto their own destruction .
And what i do not like one little bit
is this idea they are deceiving the churches into beleiving .
Like somehow them older translations were not as good as they could ahve been due to these men lacked greek knowledge .
THAT IS A SET UP right there . And men are gonna take to it and go and sit under
pastors and scholars , WHO WILL NOT rightly divide , who will use the greek to seduce these poor souls .
AND this is massive my friend .
No sir . i am not against learning greek i am however against these lies that these so calledscholars
and many are trying to sell to this LAST generation
that in order to really KNOW YOUR BIBLE , HERE COME SIT UNDER US and let us show you the greek .
THAT IS A MASSIVE SET UP to decieve a people . right there . and me NO LIKEY IT one bit .

Something is wrong here-all I want is a edifying discussion-not a pessimistic "this is wrong, that is wrong-Greek is wrong, Hebrew is wrong-I am wrong, Joe is wrong-JW is wrong but you are NOT wrong!"

Let me bring to your remembrance the parable of the talents-you WORK with what is given to you and I WORK with what is given to me.
Do you really think I am NOT aware of what is going on in the world or pseudo-wannabies?

You drain me @amigo de christo and I say this as a fellow pilgrim and brother in Christ Jesus.
Let me know if you want to have a biblical discussion without finger-jabbing ALL the time friend-the pendulum is faaar LEFT!
J.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Political correctness is a spirit of false accusation that silences people from speaking simple truth and their own mind....which has allowed the devil free reign to do a lot of mischief in these past years. The church has been infected with that same spirit that is infecting the world/society.

I agree in the definition. Freedom of speech is being quelched as it is in Communist countries and the LEFT is certainly taking us down that road, ( that btw Trump and Vance is fighting against).
BTW, you didn't answer my question, where in my post did I promote political correctness??? I'm against it. I did not say we should accept Hinduism. I even shared my Mom's beliefs of reincarnation that I argued against for 30 years. I do not accept this Ecumenical movement to accept all religions - like the Ba'Hai does.
But we don't win people over by calling them evil, insulting their beliefs. We win them by pointing them to Christ. Christ did have the authority to condemn the Pharisees to Hades - "Brood of vipers ... white-washed tombs ... Who will save you from the Gehenna". We don't have that authority.
Carnal behavior is nothing new. Political correctness is a liberal movement, leading to control in a Kne World Government. Silencing your voice, taking away your freedoms is nothing new. Slavery under Pharoahs, kings, fascist rulers was/is just that - shut up and do what you are told ...
I do agree that humanity has become more liberal and callous to sinful behavior that was once taboo. Isaiah warned us of these times, the end times.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”Isaiah 5:20
Liberals are doing this, but I doubt they are true Christians. Because they are deceived and influenced by darkness, in darkness. Christians cannot be snatched out of God's hand.
And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them...
What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? ...
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. Romans 8:28,31,38

>God has everything under control!<

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Only one way to be saved for both Jew and Gentile and that is through the Son. His goings forth have been from of old says the Psalm.......and the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

Yes that is how all are saved.

But trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for ones sins, was unknown in the OT.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Incorrect-
Stephen's Prayer to Jesus
Acts 7:59-60: "And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on (ἐπικαλεῖσθαι) God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, 'Lord, do not charge them with this sin.' And when he had said this, he fell asleep."
Greek Words: Stephen ἐπικαλεῖσθαι (epikaleisthai) or "called upon" the Lord Jesus in prayer as he was being martyred, directly addressing Him and entrusting his spirit to Jesus.

2. Paul's Prayer to Jesus
2 Corinthians 12:8-9: "Concerning this thing I pleaded (παρεκάλεσα) with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.'"
Greek Words: Paul παρεκάλεσα (parekalesa) or "pleaded" with the Lord (Jesus) in a direct petition, seeking relief from his affliction.

3. Prayer for Jesus' Return
Revelation 22:20: "He who testifies to these things says, 'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!"
Greek Words: While the specific Greek term for "prayer" isn’t used here, the phrase "come, Lord Jesus!" functions as a direct appeal or prayer (προσευχή, proseuchē) to Jesus for His return.

4. The Apostles' Prayer to Jesus
Acts 1:24-25: "And they prayed (προσευξάμενοι) and said, 'You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.'"
Greek Words: The apostles προσευξάμενοι (proseuxamenoi) or "prayed" to Jesus, asking Him to guide their decision in choosing Judas' replacement.

5. Invocation of Jesus' Name
1 Corinthians 1:2: "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on (ἐπικαλουμένοις) the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours."
Greek Words: The term ἐπικαλουμένοις (epikaloumenois) is used here to describe how early Christians would "call on" the name of Jesus in prayer, signifying direct invocation of Christ.


These passages use the Greek terms for prayer (προσευχή) and calling upon (ἐπικαλέομαι) to show that early Christians prayed to Jesus, directly invoking His name and seeking His aid. These examples demonstrate that prayer to Jesus was an established practice, reflecting His divine status and the early believers’ recognition of His authority and presence.
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-108 AD)
Example: In his letter to the Romans, Ignatius expressed his desire to be united with Christ and mentioned praying to Jesus. He writes, "Permit me to be an imitator of the passion of my God" (Letter to the Romans, 6.3). His use of "my God" in reference to Jesus shows his devotion and the practice of addressing Jesus in prayer.

2. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD)
Example: Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, is recorded to have prayed to Jesus at his martyrdom. Before his death, he prayed, "I bless You, for having been deemed worthy of this day and hour, that I might take a portion among the number of martyrs in the cup of Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp, 14:2). This prayer reflects his faith and invocation of Jesus.

3. Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 AD)
Example: In Dialogue with Trypho, Justin refers to Christians as those who "pray to God the Father and to Jesus Christ" (Chapter 85). Justin acknowledged the practice of addressing prayers to both the Father and the Son, highlighting Jesus' divine role.

4. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215 AD)
Example: Clement often spoke of praying to Christ, particularly in his work Exhortation to the Greeks. He refers to Jesus as the "Savior" and "God" to whom Christians offer prayers, showing the early tradition of prayer directed to Jesus.

5. Origen (c. 185-253 AD)
Example: Origen, in his work On Prayer, explicitly states that prayers should be offered to God through Jesus Christ. While he emphasizes praying to the Father, he acknowledges that Jesus, as the Logos and mediator, is also addressed in prayer.

The practice of praying to Jesus was well-established among the early Church Fathers. They viewed Jesus as divine, the Son of God, and as someone who could be addressed directly in prayer. This reflects the early Christian belief in the divinity of Christ and His active role in the spiritual lives of believers. These examples demonstrate that praying to Jesus was not only accepted but encouraged as part of Christian worship and devotion.

We pray to teh Father in the name of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit.

There are five things we call prayer.

I prefer to follow Jesus command to the disciples when they asked Him how to pray:

Matthew 6:9

King James Version

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9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

I worship, exalt, rejoince in, glorify and thank the Lord Jesus for all He is and has done.

But we are commanded to make our petitions, pleas, and intercessions to God the Father.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

David did . as did others .
Look at what peter says concerning david who saw CHRIST
thou will not leave me in hell nor allow thy holy one to SEE CORRUPTION . OH ITS in the old test my friend .
It sure is . David saw this himself . and peter quoates this and shows the church this .
Thanks for asking that question . IT is good that we do ask questions so as we can learn

David did not know the name Jesus , nor did he know Jesus would be crucified for sin. He prophesied but did not know the details of what He was prophesying about.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into

David did not and could not call on teh name Jesus. It was not revealed yet.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The object of their faith was IN THE COMING MESSIAH .
It was in the same messiah even we now beleive In my friend .
As far as the death burial and ressurection . Even david seen it and spoke of it .
Now in part this was hidden from the apostels , JESUS did preach it though
but they did not understand it , NOT Till after HE rose from the dead . But it was preached to them too.
Just like it was in torah and david sees it and it too is recorded .

David did not and could not call on the name Jesus and it was still a mystery in the OLD and revealed in the new. You do not see one passage in the Old that says faith in the coming Messiah who will be crucified for sin and rise from the dead brings salvation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They could not confess the name of Jesus until Christ was called by that name. The Old Covenant faithful saints knew Him only as Messiah/Savior ordained to come to redeem His people. When Christ, the Messiah/Savior finally came all the prophets foretell regarding His coming was fulfilled. That's why they are without excuse for denying Him and turning Him over to Gentiles to be crucified. The Old Covenant saints BELIEVED all the prophets foretell concerning Christ. Therefore, they too were saved according to grace through faith (believing) in the same way believers in every age have been and shall be saved.

And they did not know that the first redemption was redemption from sin. It was not revealed the law was only a place keeper until Jesus died and rose.

They were not looking for redemption, they thought they already had it through the 613 commands of the Mosaic Law. they were looking for the promised kingdom that Jesus announced was present as did John the Baptist.

Every person saved have been saved by faith through grace and because of the blood of Jesus. but the death and resurrection of Jesus waqs not known until He came and died for us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The object that saved Old Covenant faithful saints was the Messiah/Savior, Christ Jesus our Lord. The same Messiah/Savior, Christ Jesus our Lord that saves whosoever believes in Him regardless of whether they live before or after the first advent of Christ come to earth a man.

Yes , Jesus is the one who saves all from every age and dispensation.

However the Messiah they were looking for was not for redemption of sin, but to establish the promised and prophesied kingdom. The object of believers faith in the OT was different than ours.

 

[Lizbeth]

I agree in the definition. Freedom of speech is being quelched as it is in Communist countries and the LEFT is certainly taking us down that road, ( that btw Trump and Vance is fighting against).
BTW, you didn't answer my question, where in my post did I promote political correctness??? I'm against it. I did not say we should accept Hinduism. I even shared my Mom's beliefs of reincarnation that I argued against for 30 years. I do not accept this Ecumenical movement to accept all religions - like the Ba'Hai does.
But we don't win people over by calling them evil, insulting their beliefs. We win them by pointing them to Christ. Christ did have the authority to condemn the Pharisees to Hades - "Brood of vipers ... white-washed tombs ... Who will save you from the Gehenna". We don't have that authority.
Carnal behavior is nothing new. Political correctness is a liberal movement, leading to control in a Kne World Government. Silencing your voice, taking away your freedoms is nothing new. Slavery under Pharoahs, kings, fascist rulers was/is just that - shut up and do what you are told ...
I do agree that humanity has become more liberal and callous to sinful behavior that was once taboo. Isaiah warned us of these times, the end times.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”Isaiah 5:20
Liberals are doing this, but I doubt they are true Christians. Because they are deceived and influenced by darkness, in darkness. Christians cannot be snatched out of God's hand.
And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them...
What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? ...
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. Romans 8:28,31,38

>God has everything under control!<

It's because you seemed to be equating being discerning with being judgmental and condemning. Unless we got our wires crossed somehow. Agree with the rest of your post here!

 

[Lizbeth]

We pray to teh Father in the name of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit.

There are five things we call prayer.

I prefer to follow Jesus command to the disciples when they asked Him how to pray:

Matthew 6:9​

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King James Version​

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9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

I worship, exalt, rejoince in, glorify and thank the Lord Jesus for all He is and has done.

But we are commanded to make our petitions, pleas, and intercessions to God the Father.

Yes, Jesus reconciles us back into relationship with the Father. But Jesus also said "if you have seen me you have seen the Father." They are two who are also one. Not pretending to understand it fully and I don't like to argue about it for the very fact that it is easily understood. But I believe we we can pray to either/both.

 

[Johann]

We pray to teh Father in the name of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit.

There are five things we call prayer.

I prefer to follow Jesus command to the disciples when they asked Him how to pray:

Matthew 6:9​

​

King James Version​

​

​

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

I worship, exalt, rejoince in, glorify and thank the Lord Jesus for all He is and has done.

But we are commanded to make our petitions, pleas, and intercessions to God the Father.

Forgetting context and the audience.
Miles Coverdale.
Here are key scriptures related to making petitions, pleas, and intercessions to Jesus:

John 14:13-14 (Lexham Bible):

"And whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it."

John 15:16 (Lexham Bible):

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

John 16:23-24 (Lexham Bible):

"In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."

1 Timothy 2:5 (Lexham Bible):

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

These passages emphasize the role of Jesus as the mediator and the one through whom we make our petitions and intercessions.

Ephesians 2:18 (Lexham Bible):

"For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father."

Ephesians 3:12 (Lexham Bible):

"In whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in him."

Philippians 4:6-7 (Lexham Bible):

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Hebrews 4:14-16 (Lexham Bible):

"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast to our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with boldness, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

These verses highlight the access we have to God through Jesus and encourage believers to make their requests and intercessions with confidence in Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes , Jesus is the one who saves all from every age and dispensation.

However the Messiah they were looking for was not for redemption of sin, but to establish the promised and prophesied kingdom. The object of believers faith in the OT was different than ours.

Jesus established a Kingdom.

It was spiritual and He spoke about it a lot.

Matthew 6:33
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Luke 17:20-21
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

 

[ScottA]

Change or destruction? I dont know if I'm understanding you correctly, but just in case I want to point out that the bible says everything that can be shaken will be shaken until only what can't be shaken remains. What can't be shaken is spiritual, not earthly (temporal)....only the kingdom of God can't be shaken.....aka new heavens/earth. And so shall we forever be with the Lord. 2Peter 3 says this world will be burned up at the return of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 says Jesus returns the kingdom back to the Father after He judges this world at His return. The 1000 years that Rev speaks of is this age of grace....see in 2Peter 3 how the thousand years is as a day is referring to the time of God's longsuffering and grace that we are to account as salvation, a time when people are mocking at the idea of judgment because the world is going on for along time in this age without being judged yet.

I don't see that we are to be looking for an outward earthly kingdom......as Jesus said, His kingdom comes not with our careful observation that man says lo here it is or there, but is within/among those who believe. And we are told that our hopes are to be ABOVE. I'm seeing more and more how looking for an earthly utopia is a false hope and expectation that will lead many to unite under a false messiah who will promise them that. Jesus said if anyone says to you "lo here He is, or lo there" to not go after them. Instead the return of Christ is likened to lightning that lights up the sky from east to west. What does lightening do? It kindles FIRE. It speaks of judgment and destruction.

So the return of the Lord will be characterized by wrath and judgment, not by a kumbyah hope of this world being turned into a utopia. Again, our hope needs to be above, not here.

Isa 13:6

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jer 46:10

For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Eze 30:3

For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe 1:15

Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

2Pe 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Again, while I concur with most of that, there has been error of delusion in the mix during this same age of grace.

That strong delusion came about for unbelief "already at work" since the beginning of the church. Because that wicked generation did not believe what Jesus actually said regarding His "soon" return and all that "must shortly take place", a type of blindness like that placed also upon Israel, has come upon the gentiles until the times are fulfilled. Even so, His soon return and all has taken place just as He said--which is not accurately defined by the Preterists, and especially not as defined by the church--but rather as Paul eluded to, saying "but each one in his own order." Such is the return of Christ and Judgement during this age. Then comes the end (as Peter described it).

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It's because you seemed to be equating being discerning with being judgmental and condemning. Unless we got our wires crossed somehow. Agree with the rest of your post here!

Spiritual discernment is good. Discerning meaning of the Word or good from evil. Additionally, an accurate assessment of reality, understanding the truth is good. A judgment comes after the assessment and so could be based on something that is not true. An example would be someone claiming tha all Prostestants are deceived and led by Satan or the Catholic Church and the Pope are all anti-Christs. That is not a sound spiritual discernment leading to an inaccrate judgment.
Also condemnation is not for us to deliver, especially condemning Christians.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Rom. 8:1

 

[ScottA]

And there goes the blasphemous teaching that Jesus was in hell.

Jesus descended into the depths of this fallen world for three days-- which are the three days of which He said, "on the third day I shall be perfected." Thus, His three days in the tomb was a revelation and parable of the greater overall times of this world, which are the three days otherwise referred to as seven times.