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1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jhn 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jhn 17:4-6
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Jhn 14:7-9
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Jhn 20:27-29
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Phl 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Also consider that when the scriptures say Jesus is Lord…….it means that Jesus is God. And as we know Jesus is the Saviour, look and see how many times the old testament refers to God as Saviour.
amigo de christo
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a big fat amen dear sister . WE LOOKS FORWARD to THAT DAY .
I showed you the Truth! Nothing more nor less...
Flippand-Right or Wrong!
Either way YOU speak as a Child!
You know not your place... In all of this... your questions will not be answered here!
What did the other Paul tell you.....
1Co 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part;
..... Let's keep going...
1Co 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
You just don't know your part!
amigo de christo
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Its time for an all defence of the one true gospel and all biblical doctrine my friend .
I see the other gospel , the double one has taken the ground in a lot of hearts .
what is the double gospel you might ask .
The one that says OH I BELIEVE IN JESUS , but implies other dont have too . Man is that deadly .
to use the name of JESUS to promote a lie . I dont even want to think about the damnation that is gonna bring down
on those who did and even dared to do such a thing .
The fake love go spell that tries to imply muslims and others serve the same God we do
TIME to get us some common ground crap .
What does one who denies JESUS is the CHRIST have in common with JESUS THE CHRIST or true saints .
Answer . NOTHING . they are still in darkness , lost in sins and a false religoin that wont save them at all .
Too many are fast to become double minded double gospel talkers .
WE MUST correct this my friend . cause its quite a bit more than you think headed down that road .
Wrangler
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Simply not true. There are dozens of lords in Scripture but only one God, who is Jesus' God.
Just today's devotional reading, the tribes of Israel referred to the lord of Egypt. Unbeknownst to them, he was their brother they sold into slavery. No one things these dozens of lords mean they are God or are their own God.
Wrangler
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You think our grace-filled lord upon seeing billions who never even heard of him will be cast into the Lake of Fire for their ignorance? I don't.
1 Kings 8:39 (NKJV):
"then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men),"
Jeremiah 17:9-10 (NKJV):
"The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings."
Proverbs 21:2 (NKJV):
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs the hearts."
1 Corinthians 2:11 (NKJV):
"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God."
Psalm 44:21 (NKJV):
"Would not God search this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart."
1 Chronicles 28:9 (NKJV):
"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever."
Romans 8:27 (NKJV):
"Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
I'm not here to search the hearts of man-
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs the hearts."
You can continue to correct-I seek fellowship and edification.
Thanks.
J.
I agree the term "lord" refers to a lot of people in the bible. But Lord also refers to GOD many many times and when believers in the bible refer to Jesus as Lord that is what they are implying because He wasn't just a man like those other "lords".
Wrangler
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People might imply it - contrary to what the Bible teaches. Only one lord is referred to as God and that is never Jesus but capital-LORD.
Phoneman777
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More like Judaism's "replacement". I mean, they weren't chosen because they were any better than the rest of the world, but because of God's promise to Abraham...but "chosen" status has always been subject to conditions, of which the Jews failed to meet, and thus were replaced.
Taken
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I would say no.
I will add…what ever an individual “WORSHIPS” (holds in high regard above all other things )….another person, objects, money, etc IS their god.
Taken
Taken
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Have heard about it, but not visited that place…
I get your apprehension!
There is a movie I watched…called NOAH.
The difficulties and labor constructing the ARK seemed quite plausible…. UNTIL ….the portion of the movie had hundred of the same “kinds” of animals entering the Ark…
Totally NOT Scriptural…and disappointing!
God bless you,
Taken
Taken
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Not sure what that means.
In the beginning….God divided MANY thing.. light / dark, good / evil, etc…..
THEN divided manKIND…
Hebrew / Gentiles
Hebrews / Israel / 12 tribes / Jews….FROM
“Greeks” / broadly all Gentiles.
Hebrews, Israel, 12 tribes, Jews….(who were believing, practicing THEIR “race’s” “religion”) …. (While some were choosing to mimic Gentiles multitude of “ways”)…
Regarding the (believing, practicing) “Jews” from Anciently forward….
THEY BELIEVED IN GOD….HIS WORD…and HIS POWER…. without having the knowledge or concept ….that Gods WORD and Gods POWER….had names and titles
The believing (Hebrews, Israel, 12 Tribes ) had 4 thousand of a generational history….AND THEN …. WHAM….appears a LIKENESS of a man, with Jewish “legal” parents, He having features, stature, as the appearance of any other common Jewish male…..BUT reveals He IS ….
In the FLESH….the NAME of Gods Word!
(Jesus)
In the FLESH…the TITLE of Gods Word!
(Lord)
In the FLESH…the Description of Gods Word!
(Life, Truth, Way)
AND…..further…
In the FLESH….the NAME of Gods Power!
(I Am)
AND…..further…
In the FLESH….the TITLE of Gods Power!
(Messiah, Christ)
In the FLESH..the Description of Gods Power!
(Seed, Wisdom, knowledge, understanding, Light, Spirit, supreme Power)
A Shocking mystery to comprehend….I would say…SINCE…He revealed NO attributes …. Of the common earthly kings….riches, fine clothing, a kingdom, palace, throne, servants, armed guards, armies etc. and No Heritage of parental kingship hierarchy….AND never tried to “take over” confiscate others riches or lands.
AND further….
His seemingly inability to fend off attackers, even in the midst of threat and act of torturing and crucifying Him.
A lesson…in what the MIND can not comprehend …. The SPIRIT can and does have the ability to comprehend…
God IS SPIRIT…the Carnal Mind is against God….and until a man is willing to submit unto the Lord God…and Receive a “new reborn spirit, born of Gods SEED”….neither will that man be “prepared” to receive the Spiritual Understanding of Gods Order and Way of His purpose for that individual.
The fulfillment IS; Jews and Gentiles concluding in agreement WHO IS Gods word, truth, spirit, wisdom, life, supreme power…
SAVIOR…QUICKENER….
(Not yet fulfilled or accomplished)
Just sharing my perspective.
God bess you.
Glory to God
Taken
The above is not for me,,,just want to make a comment:This is my last response to you-
Jesus accepted prayers of praise and petition
Some might say that prayers of praise to Jesus are legitimate while prayers of petition are not. I will argue that Jesus accepted and still accepts both kinds of prayer. Take note of both in the examples shown below.
New Testament Christians everywhere praying to Jesus
According to the apostle Paul, New Testament Christians were everywhere praying to Jesus. “Paul. . . to the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on3 the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours (1 Corinthians 1:1–2).”4 It appears that Paul includes himself among those who called upon the name of Jesus. These prayers directed to Jesus were universal. And the present tense of “call” suggests that the prayers were on-going.5
Paul petitions Jesus to remove the “thorn in the flesh”
Paul also prayed to Jesus when he “besought the Lord” to remove his thorn in the flesh (2 Corinthians 12:8). Why do we believe that the reference to “the Lord” here refers to Jesus instead of the Father? In the Pauline epistles, the term “Lord” (kurios) usually signifies Jesus,6 while “God” usually denotes to the Father. And look at the response of Paul when the Lord said to him, “[My] strength is made perfect in your weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9). Paul tells us that he would glory in his weakness that the “power of Christ” (the Lord) would be revealed in him. So the referent for “the Lord” is Jesus. Paul prayed to Jesus, and Jesus responded. Notice that these were prayers of petition, not praise. These were not spontaneous petitions or petitions given in response to the voice of the Lord or a vision, but a prayer prayed three times, as Paul persisted in his request to Jesus. If it were inappropriate for someone to offer supplication to Jesus, Paul would not have asked Jesus three times to answer a specific request. Jesus did not rebuke Paul for praying the prayer, but He did inform Paul that he was better off without the request being granted.
Other prayers of Paul
In 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17, Paul blessed the Thessalonians with these words: “May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father. . . encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.” Even though this benedictory prayer is in a different form than other prayers, it implies a request to Jesus (and the Father), and this suggests the legitimacy of prayer to Jesus.7 Paul expected Jesus to answer this request. A similar benedictory prayer (invoking the name of Jesus) is found in 1 Thessalonians 3:11–14.
The worship of Jesus
In the Gospels, Jesus was worshipped, and He accepted it (John 9:38). Surely this involved verbal communication to Jesus or prayer. The Gospels are not the only place where worship of Jesus occurs. The angels are told to worship Jesus.8 There is worship of Jesus (the Lamb) in Revelation by both angels and humans (Revelation 5:8–13).
Since all three members of the Trinity are God, then worship is due to each of them, collectively and individually, because of the nature of the Trinity. Worship involves praise and adoration. It would be wrong to discourage people from addressing each member of the Trinity in praise and adoration. God expects us to worship Jesus. The Jehovah’s Witnesses will not pray to Jesus because they think that He is not worthy of worship. We pray to Jesus because we know He is worthy of worship, and that He even demands worship. Jesus commanded us to honor the Son just as we honor the Father (John 5:23). If we fail to give praise to the Son in our prayers, as we give praise the Father, would we really be honoring the Son as we do the Father?
The early church recognized the importance of worshipping Jesus through prayer. In fact, when Athanasius made his case against Arianism in the early 300’s, he pointed out that Christians had prayed to Jesus from the beginning. Athanasius argued that if Jesus was not of the same substance as the Father (homoousios) and was instead only a creature—only of like substance with the Father (homoiousios), then Christians from the beginning would have been committing idolatry by praying to Jesus.9
Petitions to Jesus in the Gospels
In the Gospels, many people asked Jesus for miracles. In a survey of the New Testament, I counted at least seven distinct times when people cried out to Jesus for mercy, treating him as a divine person, and they expected an answer. Should not these requests be considered prayers? Surely, Christ’s departure into Heaven does not mean that his followers can no longer bring petitions to Him.
Other examples of prayers to Jesus
There are other examples of appropriate prayers to Jesus in the New Testament.10 Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my Spirit” (Acts 7:59). At Paul’s conversion, he prayed to Jesus: “Lord, what wilt thou have me do?” (Acts 9:6). Ananias conversed with Jesus when Jesus spoke to him in a vision (Acts 9:10–14). And the very last prayer in the New Testament is addressed to Jesus by the Apostle John: “Even so come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20). If it were wrong to petition Christ, John the inspired writer may have said, “Father, may the Son come.” But instead he gave us these words to also cry out to Jesus: “Even so, come!”
The last verse referred to may allude to the phrase, “Maranatha” (found in 1 Corinthians 16:22), which is usually translated as the petition, “Come, O Lord.” “Maranatha” is an Aramaic expression that originated before Christians had filtered throughout the Gentile community. It seems that very early on, the Christians were crying out to Jesus, “Come, O Lord!”11 This was a prayer of petition.
Jesus claimed that He will answer our petitions
A verse in John 14 strongly encourages prayers of petition to Jesus. Jesus said, “Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.”12 Jesus here says that he would answer prayer when we asked him anything in his name. So Jesus authorizes us to address him in prayer when we come in his name—in his own authority, and in his will. And he promised that he would answer.
Prayers in the name of Jesus
Prayers to Jesus are permitted and encouraged by Christ’s teaching in John 14:14, and by any passage in which Jesus says that we are to pray in His name. When Jesus told us to pray in His name, He wasn’t asking us to use a particular phrase at the end of each of our prayers, though the expression “in Jesus’ name, Amen” is certainly appropriate, and God-honored. Jesus was actually asking us to come to God (therefore any member of the Trinity) in His authority. We have the right to come to God and receive grace and help because of who Christ is, what He did for us, and what He promised. He has given us “great and exceeding promises” (2 Peter 1:1–4) and when we come to God with our requests, we have been authorized to come in faith, believing that He will fulfill what He has promised.
Can We Pray to Jesus?
It is appropriate to pray to the Father directly; however, just because we are permitted to pray to the Father, doesn’t mean that we are not permitted to pray to the Son.answersingenesis.org
Anyone can pray to Jesus about anything.
There should be no question about this and convincing someone about this should not be necessary.
If someone thinks they cannot pray to Jesus FOR ANYTHING or in any manner....they are mistaken.
The other member is not the sort of person you should be wasting any time on....
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