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amigo de christo

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You have not answered my question-so here it is.
Matthew 28:20 (NKJV)
"Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen."

John 14:15 (NKJV)
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."

John 14:21 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

John 15:10 (NKJV)
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love."

John 15:14 (NKJV)
"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you."

1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV)
"Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."

1 John 2:3-4 (NKJV)
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

1 John 3:22-24 (NKJV)
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."

1 John 5:2-3 (NKJV)
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

2 John 1:6 (NKJV)
"This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it."

Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

2 or 10?
actually I DID answer it . I SAID his words would be WRITTEN upon our hearts , WE WOULD LOVE and DO THEM .
go back and read again my friend . Its just i was giving GOD the glory and credit for this love that HE sheds upon our heart .
YES , everything you just wrote is TRUE my friend . What book contained those words you brought .
THE BIBLE . that is the book i am doing all to get the peole to read FOR thesemlves .
I agree one hundred percent with what you just wrote .
 
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Right-pick a topic, doctrine about our Lord Jesus Christ you want to discuss-let's say-Am I obligated to keep ALL the 10 commandments to receive eternal life?

Do you believe that Penal Substitutionary Atonement is biblical?

How about water baptism? Binding or no?
The question of
And by early church you mean what? The ECF?
Am I obligated to keep/guard/fence the 10 commandments?
If you don't want to look up PSA and the 7 theories I can't help brother.
Am I obligated to keep/guard/fence the 10 commandments?

No, Christ made us free from the law.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Just the sound of it , seven theories , that bothers me big time .
Why not ask a simple question .
Like you did with water baptism .
Sounds almost catholic to me . substaniary . dont they use that term .
Substaning . my best guess is it comes from the word substain .
Johann i didnt spend my time in churches learning all these different meanings .
I spent my time just learning the bible . Thank GOD for it too i say .
cause by the time i got online about five years later , i was like OH MY GOODNESS
this people be in trouble .
Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA)
You: What exactly is PSA?
Me: Penal Substitutionary Atonement is the idea that Jesus took the penalty for our sins upon Himself. God’s justice demands that sin be punished, and instead of us bearing that punishment, Jesus took our place. It’s like being in court, guilty as charged, but someone else steps in and takes your sentence. PSA is often connected with the idea of God’s wrath being satisfied through Jesus' sacrifice.

2. Christus Victor
You: So how does Christus Victor differ from PSA?
Me: Christus Victor is a bit more cosmic in scope. Here, the focus is on Jesus’ victory over the powers of evil—Satan, sin, and death. Instead of emphasizing legal punishment, this view sees the cross as the battleground where Jesus defeats the forces of darkness, liberating humanity from their grip. Think of it as Jesus triumphantly breaking the chains that bound us to evil.

3. Moral Influence Theory
You: What’s the Moral Influence Theory about?
Me: The Moral Influence Theory suggests that Jesus' life and death primarily serve as a powerful example of God’s love. This example is meant to inspire us to turn from our sins and live a life of love and obedience. It’s less about dealing with sin in a judicial sense and more about moving our hearts towards love and repentance by showing us just how much God cares for us.

4. Ransom Theory
You: What does the Ransom Theory propose?
Me: The Ransom Theory is quite fascinating. It suggests that Jesus' death was a ransom paid to Satan in exchange for freeing humanity from the bondage of sin and death. The idea is that humanity was under Satan's power because of sin, and Jesus' death is the price paid to release us. It’s like humanity was held hostage, and Jesus’ life was the payment to set us free.

5. Satisfaction Theory
You: How is Satisfaction Theory different from PSA?
Me: Satisfaction Theory, which was popularized by Anselm in the 11th century, is about restoring the honor of God. According to this view, sin dishonors God, and Jesus’ death satisfies the offense against God’s honor. Instead of focusing on punishment (as in PSA), it’s more about making things right with God’s dignity and honor. Jesus’ sacrifice restores the balance that sin disrupted.

6. Governmental Theory
You: What’s the angle of the Governmental Theory?
Me: The Governmental Theory views God as a moral governor of the universe. It’s less about punishing sin directly and more about maintaining the order of the moral universe. Jesus’ death demonstrates the seriousness of sin and God’s commitment to justice, but it’s not necessarily about paying the exact penalty for each sin. Instead, it’s about God’s need to uphold moral order while still offering mercy.

7. Recapitulation Theory
You: Recapitulation Theory—what does that mean?
Me: Recapitulation Theory, rooted in the teachings of Irenaeus, views Jesus as the new Adam. Where the first Adam failed, Jesus succeeds, essentially redoing humanity’s story but getting it right. Through His life, death, and resurrection, Jesus sums up and renews all of creation, reversing the damage done by Adam’s disobedience. It’s like Jesus is hitting the cosmic "reset" button and starting over on behalf of humanity.

8. Scapegoat Theory
You: Finally, what’s the Scapegoat Theory about?
Me: The Scapegoat Theory, based on the work of René Girard, suggests that Jesus’ death exposes the cycle of human violence and scapegoating. Jesus is seen as the ultimate innocent victim, and by His unjust death, He reveals the sinfulness of human violence. His sacrifice brings to light the need to abandon this cycle and points to a new way of peace and reconciliation.


Think Isaiah 53-
 
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You have not answered my question-so here it is.
Matthew 28:20 (NKJV)
"Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen."

John 14:15 (NKJV)
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."

John 14:21 (NKJV)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

John 15:10 (NKJV)
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love."

John 15:14 (NKJV)
"You are My friends if you do whatever I command you."

1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV)
"Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."

1 John 2:3-4 (NKJV)
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

1 John 3:22-24 (NKJV)
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."

1 John 5:2-3 (NKJV)
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

2 John 1:6 (NKJV)
"This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it."

Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

2 or 10?
IF one truly LOVES GOD first and foremost
IF that LOVE has been shed upon their heart , WELL they had LOVED HIS EVERY WORD , and embraced
them . Including the dire warnings which are meant for our good . including what follows those IFS .
I mean to them EVERY INSPIRED WORD of GOD is meat for the soul .
 
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Everything that was done by Christ had been long determined before even Israel was ........
And as far as it not existing with the jewish religoin , IT had been spoken of by the very prophets of whom
they read daily but did not know or truly hear said torah , said prophets .
Let us remember this well the next time a bishop , a deacon , a priest , preacher , teacher , or any one
stands to tell us that the muslims and others , do worship the same GOD we do .
Cause if even those who were of the lineage of ISSAC , the child of promise , were cast out
due to unbelief That JESUS IS THE CHRIST ,
the muslims who cliam to be of ishmael , who was not even the child of promise , THEY ARE CAST OUT TOO .
You see both muslims and jews can cliam to follow moses , can claim to be of abraham even
But THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING .
YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN . and the BORN AGAIN CALL JESUS THE CHRIST , THE LORD , THE MESSIAH .
You might be wondering why on earth i brought this reminder up to us again .
WELL we have us a tanked christendom on our hands . The RCC leads in this lie
and the protestant daughters sell out to her lie . In other words, WE need to get in the bible
for ourselves and start learning my dear friend .
Because if a man , whether jew or whether gentile born
DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , GETS DENIED BY JESUS THE CHRIST .
If a man claims i love GOD and know GOD and love GOD
but fails to BELEIVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND,
who fails to beleive the very TESTIMONY OF GOD HIMSELF about the SON .
WELL , they can holller God all day and cliam to love him and heed etc etcetc
BUT THEY CALL HIM A LIAR . and THEY DO NOT have the LOVE OF GOD within them .
NOR do they LOVE GOD , for hadthey loved GOD they would have SO LOVED HE WHO CAME FORTH of GOD .
See who simple that message is . And yet one would be amazed at how often folks speak quite contrary TO IT .
Amigo,
I don't know why you're posting the above.
But I usually agree with you so we'll leave it at that.
 
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IF one truly LOVES GOD first and foremost
IF that LOVE has been shed upon their heart , WELL they had LOVED HIS EVERY WORD , and embraced
them . Including the dire warnings which are meant for our good . including what follows those IFS .
I mean to them EVERY INSPIRED WORD of GOD is meat for the soul .
So where do I disagree?
 

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The question of

Am I obligated to keep/guard/fence the 10 commandments?

No, Christ made us free from the law.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
IF we look to the law to attain our righteousness
and had we truly heard the law , the prophets , torah and all they and it pointed too .
They had known that the law is holy pure and good , but that a man can NEVER be justified by it .
For by the law came the knowledge of sin and thus by the law at best we are seen as SINNERS .
BUT IN JESUS THE CHIRST , IN HIM and IN HE ALONE one is MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD
and have HIS LOVE shed upon their hearts .
HIS love aint in the buisness of accepting sin and trangression . HIS LOVE would have LOVED HIM FIRST and foremost
thus HIS CHRIST first above all men . HIS words , the TRUTH would be our meat .
SIN would be grievious unto our soul . We would hate even the wicked thoughts of the flesh
that do pop into our minds . We would not use his love to justify SIN
To overlook sins and not correct sins or even embrace sins .
The heart of a lamb cometh OF GOD , ITS HIS LOVE NOW SHED UPON IT .
and by the SPIRIT no man would say or even make comment that there is no need to have BELIEVED ON JESUS THE CHRIST
as it pets muslims and other fake religoins and tries to get us all to believe as though we serve the same GOD .
THE SPIRIT would testify of , JESUS THE CHRIST , for the SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and the FATHER TESTIFIES of the SON . AND the FATHER , the SON , the SPIRIT
does not condone and agree with ANY SIN including THE GREAT LIE of UNBELIEF .
 

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Amigo,
I don't know why you're posting the above.
But I usually agree with you so we'll leave it at that.
Its okay my friend . i was led to simply remind us not to ever beleive a man who says
The muslims and etc serve the same GOD we do . THEY DONT .
It was but a reminder my friend .
 
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So where do I disagree?
Allow me to ask a question and then i will answer this question of yours .

And where did i ever say YOU DID disagree . I never did . yes i know we can all assume things my friend .
You dont seem to disagree at all with what i wrote . truth is you brought a whole lot of reminders
that actually summed up exactly what i was saying . isnt that something johann .
 
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Its okay my friend . i was led to simply remind us not to ever beleive a man who says
The muslims and etc serve the same GOD we do . THEY DONT .
It was but a reminder my friend .
There is only one God Amigo.

The problem with Islam is that their God is MUHAMMAD instead of Yhaweh.

If that's what you mean, then I agree.
They are worshipping THE WRONG GOD.

THINKING they are worshipping the one true God.
 
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Allow me to ask a question and then i will answer this question of yours .

And where did i ever say YOU DID disagree . I never did . yes i know we can all assume things my friend .
You dont seem to disagree at all with what i wrote . truth is you brought a whole lot of reminders
that actually summed up exactly what i was saying . isnt that something johann .
Glad to know probing questions bring up a lot of reminders.
 
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So where do I disagree?
This is why its better we do ask questions . things can get cleared up .
THis is why i also want us to start asking SIMPLE basic questions .
Because the truth is , many dont even know the basics and they teach contrary to the basic truth .
And that my friend , as i am sure you would agree , IS deadly dangerous for their sake .
THE LORD showed me something long long ago .
In a day and a time when i first got onto a computer and saw such odd teachings and contradictions .
And what was revelaed to me was this , YOU GO and remind them about what JESUS HIMSELF
and the apostels said , AND Ye shall find out the why behind why they now teach and do as they do .
ANY guesses on what they all had in common .
EVERY last one of them on that old site who taught such odd teachings
who constantly bickered and spent all their time debating this trib , that trib , this dispensation that peroid of grace
THEY ALL , when i brought up very simple reminders JESUS himself had taught and the apostels ,
TWISTED them . and i dont mean JUST one of them johann . I mean quite a few .
SO smart and as well educated as they did sound , THEY were ever learning , BUT sure had not come to the TRUTH .
I SEEN THIS and i see it now today more than ever .
We got over seventy percent of even christendom now believin GOD is fine with all religoins .
Talk about a delusion . The dire need to repent and to beleive JESUS is the CHRIST , seventy percent now disagree with .
But man they sure do talk a lot about many theories , many things they THINK are doctrine and precepts of GOD .
and while they do speak truths , THEY twist truths too and do so right unto their own destruction .
 
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There is only one God Amigo.

The problem with Islam is that their God is MUHAMMAD instead of Yhaweh.

If that's what you mean, then I agree.
They are worshipping THE WRONG GOD.

THINKING they are worshipping the one true God.
BINGO .
now do you want to hear something real scary my friend .
Even many jews believe they follow GOD that GOD is their father
that they do heed moses , torah and the law , YET THEY REJECT THE ONE WHOM GOD testied of
whom moses and the prophets even spoke of .
JESUS told even them something .
they said to him , GOD IS OUR FATHER ,
GOD is OUR FATHER .
JESUS said the devil is your father , you do his will . and what do you suppose was the will of the devil
TO DENY JESUS AS TEH CHRIST
while as the WILLI OF GOD is for us to BELIEVE ON HIM as THE CHRIST .
BINGO and bullsyes . SEE how simple this is .
 

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Glad to know probing questions bring up a lot of reminders.
IT does indeed . Even JESUS asked questions . though HE knew the answer already .
Where shall get fish for all this people . THIS IS HE said not because he didnt know
but to PROVE THEM .
GOD even asks questions HE KNOWS the answer too .
OH adam where art thou . as adam and eve were hidden .
HAVE You eaten of the tree . SURE THEY had and SURE GOD KNEW THEY HAD .
probling questions can make one think and it can also expose what is within their heart .
And if one beleives an error , IT can then be corrected .
or they can reject its on them . We should really get back to trying to test and ask
this people a lot of questions about SIMPLE basic teachings of what JESUS taught .
the problem is most are still fighing and arguing over and defending and contending for their own man made doctrines .
STife upon strife , nothing getting solved and worse , and worse a false solutoin
is come to try and unify them again , BUT IT AINT UNDER GOD .
HAD we all just started over IN JUST the bible taught just those teachings
The peoples sure had been in a far better place .
 
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To the religious of men
they will fight and contend , but it wont be for the truth , it will be for what their men taught them is truth .
To a lamb it will fight and contend and defend the actual words of JESUS and of the apostels and truth in scripture .
You see most go around and try and make converts to their church or denominatin .
We ought to make and have done all to have RATHER pointed folks to JESUS THE CHRIST
HIS Doctrine , the apostels doctrine , and built them up WITH THOSE PURE Reminders .
But its not too late for anyone . JUST GET back into the bible for you and learn for you .
 
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There is only one God Amigo.

The problem with Islam is that their God is MUHAMMAD instead of Yhaweh.

If that's what you mean, then I agree.
They are worshipping THE WRONG GOD.

THINKING they are worshipping the one true God.
Now for the scariest thing of all .
Just as it was written and said not all of Israel is of ISRAEL
so too i must warn , not all of christendom is of CHRIST .
too many follow another jesus . and when i say that i ain talking about a error here and there
I MEAN A WHOLE other image of what they THINK IS JESUS , IS LOVE and is OF GOD they do heed too .
ONLY upon easy examination its clear to see
That satan himself can appear as an angel of light . THOUGH HE BE DARKNESS
and that He and his men and co workers can wear more than a coat of strange colors
they wear WOOL by which to decieve those in said churches to beleive in their many color robe they call love and salvation .
The devil do not sleep my friend . and even paul had some trying to preach another jesus
and another gopsel . ONLY at least they corrected and warned against it
THEY DIDNT SHOVEL IT UNTO THE CHRUCH like todays leaders do . Todays leaders
, most of them , JESUS , and all apostels would have rebuked and even warned the people against such leaders .
 
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Glad to know probing questions bring up a lot of reminders.
Wanna hear a real simple reminder .
What did JESUS tell the jews , the unbelieving jews
who they too cried we heed moses , GOD is our father , we be of abraham .
Had you BELIEVED moses you would have BELIEVED ME for HE WROTE OF ME .
IF ye truly were the children of abraham YOU WOULD DO THE WORKS of abraham .
Now for the real scary part .
GOD IS OUR FATHER . JESUS said ye are of your father the DEVIL , its his will ye do .
Now for a trivia question .
WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE FATHER
What is the will of the dragon and anti christ .
THE WILL OF THE FATHER is we BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
the will of the dragon is to deny HIM as CHRIST , so as not to beleive on him as CHRIST .
and the ol serpent will use another jesus and another love , another gospel to DECIEVE even christendom .
SO lets rememeber this the next time anyone
comes and tries to plant suggestions into our minds that the other religoins serve the same GOD we do .
WHEN even the unbeliving jews did not get a pass on that one .
You see the most common response i hear from a whole lot of folks
when i do remind them the other religoins , that all UNBELIEVERS do walk in darkness
and are under the power and influence of satan . AS SAYS JESUS to paul who said it to king agrippa , act twenty and six ,
THEY respond with HEY DONT JUDGE , you dont know their hearts
THEY pray to GOD there are good people in every religoin .
REALLY . GOOD PEOPLE ye say .
WELL let them go find me THIS GOOD , GOOD PEOPLE in this so called every religoin or no religoin
MEANWHILE i am gonna point them and remind them about the ONLY ONE WHO WAS GOOD in the EYES OF THE FATHER .
THE ONE ALL NEED to REPENT and beleive on . cause the last time i checked
and SCRIPTURE cannot be broken is , THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD , AND ALL FALL SHORT of the glory of GOD .
 
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WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE FATHER
Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Matthew 12:50 (NKJV)
"For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

John 4:34 (NKJV)
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work.'"

John 5:30 (NKJV)
"I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."

John 6:38-40 (NKJV)
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

Ephesians 5:17 (NKJV)
"Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is."

1 Thessalonians 4:3 (NKJV)
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality;"

1 Thessalonians 5:18 (NKJV)
"In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you."

Hebrews 10:36 (NKJV)
"For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:"

1 Peter 2:15 (NKJV)
"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—"

1 Peter 4:2 (NKJV)
"That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God."

1 Peter 4:19 (NKJV)
"Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator."
THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD ,
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Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
3:10 Paul quotes Psa 14:1–3 to support his argument that sin is common to both Jews and Greeks (Rom 3:10–12). Some Jews may have objected to the claim that Jews and Gentiles were of equal standing before God with regard to sin. Paul’s conclusion simply affirms what the ot already says about humanity, sin, and righteousness.

3:13 Paul quotes Psa 5:9 to illustrate the potentially harmful effects of words. The Greek verb used here, dolioō, means “to flatter with intention to do evil.”
Paul quotes Psa 140:3.
3:14 Paul quotes Psa 10:7.
3:15 A quotation of Isa 59:7–8. Sinful people not only speak harmful words, but also act on those words (Rom 3:13–14).
Violence EDB

3:17 People who have sinned cannot live at peace with others; they only know destruction and violence. In ch. 14, Paul lists the practical outworking of peace and unity.

3:18 A quotation of Psa 36:1. When people sin, they show disrespect for God, at times even putting Him entirely out of their minds. Thus, knowledge of God does not direct their actions or thoughts.

3:19 Refers to the entirety of ot Scripture, especially the portions quoted in Rom 3:10–18.
Scripture ZEB Q—Z
Refers to Jews.

3:20 This phrase could refer to all the requirements in the law. Alternatively, it might emphasize practices that distinguish Jews from Gentiles, such as observing the Sabbath, food laws, and circumcision. It’s possible for people to observe these laws ceremonially, but Paul’s earlier points suggest they will still fall short of observing everything in the law, such as completely loving their neighbor, or avoiding lust, idolatry, and covetousness.
Law DPL
The Law in Paul’s Letters
The Greek word used here, dikaioō, describes being in right relationship with God. No one, Jew or Gentile, can earn a right standing before God through obedience to the law. See note on 1:17; compare 2:13 and note; 4:3 and note.

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), Ro 3:10–20.

Paul’s focus on law in his letters addresses not only the basic meaning of nomos as a reference to Mosaic law, but also the theological baggage associated with proper observance of the Law or Torah in Judaism. For this reason, Paul often appears to be of two minds regarding the law. He sometimes affirms the law as something that is good and should be kept (Rom 7:12; 1 Cor 7:19), and other times he criticizes it for leading only to sin and death (1 Cor 15:56).

Paul’s critique of Jewish practices centers on Jewish followers of Christ (often called “Judaizers”) who believe certain Jewish distinctive practices should be requirements for Gentile converts (see note on Gal 1:7; 2:11–16). Paul disagrees that practices such as circumcision (1 Cor 7:19; Gal 2:12) or dietary restrictions (1 Cor 8:8) should be requirements for following Christ. His purpose in downplaying the continuing relevance of the law can be seen in 1 Cor 9:19–23: Paul did not want these practices to unnecessarily hinder the spread of the gospel by putting up barriers among those who were not ethnically Jewish or willing to go through the rituals of formal conversion.

The New Covenant
While Paul rejects certain aspects of Torah observance, he still appeals to biblical law in the area of morality, using Scripture to support his teachings (1 Cor 5:10–13). Paul regularly invokes ot Scripture to support his preaching about Christ (Gal 3:13–14) and his practical teachings for the churches (1 Cor 9:8–9; 14:21–23). He also continually emphasizes the need for obedience to God’s commandments (1 Cor 7:19). Since he affirms the ot law in areas of morality but rejects specific practices, his emphasis on obedience likely centers on moral behavior rather than external religious actions as being the defining characteristics of the people of God (Gal 5:14; compare Matt 15:1–20).

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016).

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Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Matthew 12:50 (NKJV)
"For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

John 4:34 (NKJV)
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work.'"

John 5:30 (NKJV)
"I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."

John 6:38-40 (NKJV)
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

Ephesians 5:17 (NKJV)
"Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is."

1 Thessalonians 4:3 (NKJV)
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality;"

1 Thessalonians 5:18 (NKJV)
"In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you."

Hebrews 10:36 (NKJV)
"For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:"

1 Peter 2:15 (NKJV)
"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—"

1 Peter 4:2 (NKJV)
"That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God."

1 Peter 4:19 (NKJV)
"Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator."

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Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
3:10 Paul quotes Psa 14:1–3 to support his argument that sin is common to both Jews and Greeks (Rom 3:10–12). Some Jews may have objected to the claim that Jews and Gentiles were of equal standing before God with regard to sin. Paul’s conclusion simply affirms what the ot already says about humanity, sin, and righteousness.

3:13 Paul quotes Psa 5:9 to illustrate the potentially harmful effects of words. The Greek verb used here, dolioō, means “to flatter with intention to do evil.”
Paul quotes Psa 140:3.
3:14 Paul quotes Psa 10:7.
3:15 A quotation of Isa 59:7–8. Sinful people not only speak harmful words, but also act on those words (Rom 3:13–14).
Violence EDB

3:17 People who have sinned cannot live at peace with others; they only know destruction and violence. In ch. 14, Paul lists the practical outworking of peace and unity.

3:18 A quotation of Psa 36:1. When people sin, they show disrespect for God, at times even putting Him entirely out of their minds. Thus, knowledge of God does not direct their actions or thoughts.

3:19 Refers to the entirety of ot Scripture, especially the portions quoted in Rom 3:10–18.
Scripture ZEB Q—Z
Refers to Jews.

3:20 This phrase could refer to all the requirements in the law. Alternatively, it might emphasize practices that distinguish Jews from Gentiles, such as observing the Sabbath, food laws, and circumcision. It’s possible for people to observe these laws ceremonially, but Paul’s earlier points suggest they will still fall short of observing everything in the law, such as completely loving their neighbor, or avoiding lust, idolatry, and covetousness.
Law DPL
The Law in Paul’s Letters
The Greek word used here, dikaioō, describes being in right relationship with God. No one, Jew or Gentile, can earn a right standing before God through obedience to the law. See note on 1:17; compare 2:13 and note; 4:3 and note.

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), Ro 3:10–20.

Paul’s focus on law in his letters addresses not only the basic meaning of nomos as a reference to Mosaic law, but also the theological baggage associated with proper observance of the Law or Torah in Judaism. For this reason, Paul often appears to be of two minds regarding the law. He sometimes affirms the law as something that is good and should be kept (Rom 7:12; 1 Cor 7:19), and other times he criticizes it for leading only to sin and death (1 Cor 15:56).

Paul’s critique of Jewish practices centers on Jewish followers of Christ (often called “Judaizers”) who believe certain Jewish distinctive practices should be requirements for Gentile converts (see note on Gal 1:7; 2:11–16). Paul disagrees that practices such as circumcision (1 Cor 7:19; Gal 2:12) or dietary restrictions (1 Cor 8:8) should be requirements for following Christ. His purpose in downplaying the continuing relevance of the law can be seen in 1 Cor 9:19–23: Paul did not want these practices to unnecessarily hinder the spread of the gospel by putting up barriers among those who were not ethnically Jewish or willing to go through the rituals of formal conversion.

The New Covenant
While Paul rejects certain aspects of Torah observance, he still appeals to biblical law in the area of morality, using Scripture to support his teachings (1 Cor 5:10–13). Paul regularly invokes ot Scripture to support his preaching about Christ (Gal 3:13–14) and his practical teachings for the churches (1 Cor 9:8–9; 14:21–23). He also continually emphasizes the need for obedience to God’s commandments (1 Cor 7:19). Since he affirms the ot law in areas of morality but rejects specific practices, his emphasis on obedience likely centers on moral behavior rather than external religious actions as being the defining characteristics of the people of God (Gal 5:14; compare Matt 15:1–20).

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016).

Please give me examples of righteous people in the Torah-thanks.
what does the new covenant do .
I shall write my laws upon their hearts and in their minds
I WILL be thier GOD and they my people .
Note . what it dont say is , OH I WILL HONOR TRANGRESSION and SINS and if they just LIP my name all is well .
THAT is what they often did and GOD was wore out with it . .
THE NEW ONE does not teach trangression . rather creates a people , a mind , a heart
within said people to LOVE GOD above all and to love one another .
TRANGRESSION aint love . it dont fullfil. so any love that accepts sin , YEAH IT AINT LOVE .
IT aint TRUTH , and it sure aint coming FROM GOD either .
As i am sure you would agree .
Love would not DISHNOR GOD , it wouldNOT do EVIL . yet todays love sure seems too .
The beautfiul thing about charity is , IT REJOICES IN TRUTH not in inquity , not in lies . IN TRUTH .
So if one simply teaches the religoins to merge as just do good works and love one another
That all is well if we just did good to one another . I GOT real bad news . IT AINT CHARITY .
I SURE DONT SEEM TO SEE the mention of REPENTANCE from the false relgoins
NOR any dire need for them TO BELIEVE ON JESUS AS THE CHRIST . AND CHARITY , DONT DO THAT .
 
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I shall write my laws upon their hearts and in their minds
I WILL be thier GOD and they my people .
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 11:19

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
2Co 3:3

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2Co 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? Or do we need, as some others, epistles of commendation to you or letters of commendation from you?
2Co 3:2 You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
2Co 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God.
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
2Co 3:12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech—
2Co 3:13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.