Amigo's Question and Answer Thread

[Ronald David Bruno]

The church seems to be dropping the bar lower and lower generally so it makes me wary. Being a Christian is due to an act of the Holy Spirit when He gives us faith not of our own that no man may boast. It isn't due to an act of man or a cultural upbringing or a mental decision someone makes with their carnal mind. It is deeper than that. No we don't always know someone's heart but we can discern their fruits and their testimony. To begin with perhaps we can discern whether this person testifies to the LORD bringing about a change of heart and life, or does he only testify about himself and/or wife and what they decided/chose to do or believe. There are superficial conversions and tares among the wheat so there is a need for wisdom and not to be naive.

I have been very judgmental in my life, but was it always against sins. We don't condemn them to Hell, write them off as reprobate. We just don't know what God is going to do with them. I'll avoid people after a certain point and figure God will deal with them.
We are all sinners but "the bar" is set based on whether a person believes that Jesus died for their sins, was burie and rose from the dead on the third day.
Remember in Revelation _ the 1st century _ 5 out of 7 churches had problems. Read chapters 2 and 3. A faithful church, a loveless church, a comprisong church ( with Satanic doctrines), a persecuted church , a corrupt church ( with a prophetess who sexualy seduced men), an almost dead church and a lukewarm church. God still gave them warnings and opportunities to repent. And He will deal with His own, chatise us and judge those who are not His. I comfort in His sovereignty. My mom, who believed in reincarnation, astrology and aliens for most of her life. She was a rebel at heart, a feminist and on her own path. Just days before her death, she miraculously turned ti Christ and started singing about Him. She said He was always there, His hand was on her shoulder ... we were all shocked. I spent 30 years chipping away at her beliefs and just about lost hope.
We just don't know what God isb
doing - if they are in His list.
My father was an atheist all his life, my brother still is. My father two years before his death made his peace with God too. I think he was more angry with God for taking his father's life when he was a boy. He prayed for His life on his knees and God said NO. So he decided their wasn't a God.
I think when we get to heaven we will be surprised to see many individuals that we would not expect would make it. I don't expect my brother will - maybe I'll be surprised?

 

[amigo de christo]

But choosing the Tree of Life means we must not choose the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It may be so that there are things going on covertly in this world as you say.....but all that is God's business I believe - and He is God and we are not - He is ruling and reigning and dealing with government authorities and raising/lowering kings and kingdoms according to His will and wisdom. And He is a God who sends both good and evil at various times/place for His purposes etc. We must not believe that He intends for the church to put down our ploughshares and take up swords to join a crusade of bloodshed. Our weapons are not carnal. Even David could not build the Father's house because he had blood on his hands. We as believers need to especially guard our hearts in these days.

look at it and see the simplicity of what i say next .
Scott said love as common ground is a toe in the front door .
But what love is it that they speak of sister and the very door they think is a way in
is a way into THE DELUSION .
this love as a common ground . this love they think is coming of GOD . SISTER ITS NOT
Scott is seeing things through the carnal mind . but the churches have long been in the carnal realm
and have no idea its carnal . THEY been taught its spiritual .
WHEN DID JESUS ever say such things .
This love they are bringing in is NOT COMING OF GOD . oh it will seem so to many , for it will
speak of doing good and it will seem as though its a way to reach folks .
MY GOODNESS SISTER , many done ate from the wrong tree . they seeking the wrong kind of knowledge
DO you see what i am trying to say .
Scott believes in this . this way , this means to preach this love as common ground . BUT THE LOVE
they speak of pertains to mans wisdom . His way of trying to attain what HE THINKS will bring about
a solution . BUT IT IS CONTRARY TO GODS WAY . I am not a betting and gambling man
But if i were i would put all i owned down on the very fact this love , this common ground love
IS NOT PUTTING THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST FIRST . NOT AT ALL . cause they already
believe this stuff offends . NO mam . ITS ABOUT UNIFYING , and to the right its sold
as a means to attain to the hopes of man kind of how HE will try and make this world a better place .
GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD . this is not an accusation agaisnst scott or any of them .
BUT IT IS THE TRUTH . WE SHOULD get back into the bible . Too many have long had their minds
and hearts upon the WRONG kingdom sister . NOT THE HEAVENLY ONE which is above .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have been very judgmental in my life, but was it always against sins. We don't condemn them to Hell, write them off as reprobate. We just don't know what God is going to do with them. I'll avoid people after a certain point and figure God will deal with them.
We are all sinners but "the bar" is set based on whether a person believes that Jesus died for their sins, was burie and rose from the dead on the third day.
Remember in Revelation _ the 1st century _ 5 out of 7 churches had problems. Read chapters 2 and 3. A faithful church, a loveless church, a comprisong church ( with Satanic doctrines), a persecuted church , a corrupt church ( with a prophetess who sexualy seduced men), an almost dead church and a lukewarm church. God still gave them warnings and opportunities to repent. And He will deal with His own, chatise us and judge those who are not His. I comfort in His sovereignty. My mom, who believed in reincarnation, astrology and aliens for most of her life. She was a rebel at heart, a feminist and on her own path. Just days before her death, she miraculously turned ti Christ and started singing about Him. She said He was always there, His hand was on her shoulder ... we were all shocked. I spent 30 years chipping away at her beliefs and just about lost hope.
We just don't know what God isb
doing - if they are in His list.
My father was an atheist all his life, my brother still is. My father two years before his death made his peace with God too. I think he was more angry with God for taking his father's life when he was a boy. He prayed for His life on his knees and God said NO. So he decided their wasn't a God.
I think when we get to heaven we will be surprised to see many individuals that we would not expect would make it. I don't expect my brother will - maybe I'll be surprised?

So you set the bar at if one says they beleive JESUS died for sins , was buried and rose the third day .
YOU ALL would have championed me as a solider of JESUS the CHRIST , WHEN I NEVER KNEW HIM
I USED TO LIP that to others . even telling an atheist , while i was in the marines , HE must beleive on JESUS
or he would perish . RATHER ODD pardner , HAD THE ME , JOEY who helped me witness to the athiest and the athiest
died that night . OH MY GOODNESS the hell fire that would have awaited me and me and joeys punishment
might very well have been worse than the atheist we witnessed to .
NOW , TODAY you do see me STICKING to the gospel . BUT I JUST BET
if i even i told the dire need to repent and believe to other relgioins and said they were in danger of total hell fire
MOST OF YALL would say DONT JUDGE , YOU DONT KNOW THEIR HEARTS .
You say The gospel , but is it not so odd THAT MANY OF YOU AGREE and ADHERE to the UNHOLY SATANIC
abraham peace accords . AINT that something .
SEEMS to me like the gospel is only used as a matter of convience to NOT JUDGE
but IF ONE LIKE ME comes along and reminds us about the false satanic religoins like muslims , buddism
ALL of a sudden the so called YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM , BELIEVE HE DIED and even rose from the dead
SEEMS SO OBSOLETE . I want us all to REALLY THINK . and while we do , GET A FACE FULL OF BIBLE too .
I AINT the son of perditon anti christ hater that so many within christendom now sees me as .
The sad fact is most would have loved the old me as they hate this new one . aint that sad . i was LOST . yet most
would have loved me . we got serious problems in the house .

 

[amigo de christo]

seems like a lot of folks do as i once did . OH THEY can lip the truth of the gospel
when its convienent to do so
and even use the gospel to holler dont judge
and yet when i continually expound upon that very gospel
and use JESUS own words to expose any and all false religoins
ALL of a sudden the gospel DONT SEEM TO MATTER . we BEEN DUPED .
The abraham peace accords , the religious tolerance act is as much from satan
as is the liberal progressive agenda . HECK IT IS THE LIBERAL progressive agenda , just gift wrapped
to the right in a way the right can relate to it . WE BEEN DUPED . i rest my case folks .
WE better bible up and stop heeding todays men .

 

[Lizbeth]

I have been very judgmental in my life, but was it always against sins. We don't condemn them to Hell, write them off as reprobate. We just don't know what God is going to do with them. I'll avoid people after a certain point and figure God will deal with them.
We are all sinners but "the bar" is set based on whether a person believes that Jesus died for their sins, was burie and rose from the dead on the third day.
Remember in Revelation _ the 1st century _ 5 out of 7 churches had problems. Read chapters 2 and 3. A faithful church, a loveless church, a comprisong church ( with Satanic doctrines), a persecuted church , a corrupt church ( with a prophetess who sexualy seduced men), an almost dead church and a lukewarm church. God still gave them warnings and opportunities to repent. And He will deal with His own, chatise us and judge those who are not His. I comfort in His sovereignty. My mom, who believed in reincarnation, astrology and aliens for most of her life. She was a rebel at heart, a feminist and on her own path. Just days before her death, she miraculously turned ti Christ and started singing about Him. She said He was always there, His hand was on her shoulder ... we were all shocked. I spent 30 years chipping away at her beliefs and just about lost hope.
We just don't know what God isb
doing - if they are in His list.
My father was an atheist all his life, my brother still is. My father two years before his death made his peace with God too. I think he was more angry with God for taking his father's life when he was a boy. He prayed for His life on his knees and God said NO. So he decided their wasn't a God.
I think when we get to heaven we will be surprised to see many individuals that we would not expect would make it. I don't expect my brother will - maybe I'll be surprised?

My the church is so badly infected with the world's political correctness. Who is saying being discerning means to be judgmental and condemning? Aren't we supposed to be discerning and wise as serpents while being harmless as doves? Does God want us to be gullible and deceived?

 

[Lizbeth]

look at it and see the simplicity of what i say next .
Scott said love as common ground is a toe in the front door .
But what love is it that they speak of sister and the very door they think is a way in
is a way into THE DELUSION .
this love as a common ground . this love they think is coming of GOD . SISTER ITS NOT
Scott is seeing things through the carnal mind . but the churches have long been in the carnal realm
and have no idea its carnal . THEY been taught its spiritual .
WHEN DID JESUS ever say such things .
This love they are bringing in is NOT COMING OF GOD . oh it will seem so to many , for it will
speak of doing good and it will seem as though its a way to reach folks .
MY GOODNESS SISTER , many done ate from the wrong tree . they seeking the wrong kind of knowledge
DO you see what i am trying to say .
Scott believes in this . this way , this means to preach this love as common ground . BUT THE LOVE
they speak of pertains to mans wisdom . His way of trying to attain what HE THINKS will bring about
a solution . BUT IT IS CONTRARY TO GODS WAY . I am not a betting and gambling man
But if i were i would put all i owned down on the very fact this love , this common ground love
IS NOT PUTTING THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST FIRST . NOT AT ALL . cause they already
believe this stuff offends . NO mam . ITS ABOUT UNIFYING , and to the right its sold
as a means to attain to the hopes of man kind of how HE will try and make this world a better place .
GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD . this is not an accusation agaisnst scott or any of them .
BUT IT IS THE TRUTH . WE SHOULD get back into the bible . Too many have long had their minds
and hearts upon the WRONG kingdom sister . NOT THE HEAVENLY ONE which is above .

Totally agree brother. There is nothing taught in scripture about seeking common ground with the lost in order to preach the gospel...that is a man-made idea. We are all human in need of the Saviour, that is common ground enough. We are to love others with the love of God.....but not expect we will necessarily be loved back. In fact if men speak well of us, well that is not always a good thing from God's point of view.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Those OT passages referring to the re-gathering of Israel etc were looking ahead to the coming Messiah/Christ and His gospel. They are gathered back to God through Christ the Shepherd of their and our souls. Jesus said He came looking for those lost sheep.

BINGO and BULLSEYE sister . you done set the mark on the RIGHT NAME sister . THAT IS EXACTLY HOW
GOD gathers them back and the gentiles too .
TOO many done learned things wrong sister .
THE LOST SHEEP , the ones the false leaders had scattered
THE ONLY ONE WHO was GONNA STAND IN THE GAP and bring them back , IS and was JESUS THE CHRIST
cause man sure as heck was FAILING AT IT BIG TIME . they was decieving the flocks
they caused the flocks to be scattered too . THEIR false hoods and lies brought the wrath upon them
it brought the destruction of Jerusalem .
The whole head was sick and full of wounds and ozzing puse , BY MEANS of the leaders
who would not preach the words of GOD to cause the people to repent but rather
added stone of untemptered mortar and stone to all come crashing down .
As with the garden and the first man and woman , so too with the jews , so too now with christendom .
THEY ALL chose wrong . Most anyway . a few sheep still remain .
GOD himself was gonna have to do what man simply would not and refused and could not do .
GODS plan to regather , to call , YEAH IT IS JESUS THE CHRIST . HE HAD TO DO
what man failed to do . and the sheep did not heed them false ones either .
JUST as they dont today . Ye are not my sheep , my sheep hear MY VOICE , not the voice
of men in wool who twist his words , omit his words and teach junk to make desciples after their own names .
I WONT HEED a one of them sister . NO , NO i do not hate them . YES i get upset , even angry at their false doctrines
even weeping for them , BUt i dont hate them . ITS WHY I DO CORRECT . LOVE CORRECTS , LOVE DONT DECIEVE .

 

[amigo de christo]

My the church is so badly infected with the world's political correctness. Who is saying being discerning means to be judgmental and condemning? Aren't we supposed to be discerning and wise as serpents while being harmless as doves? Does God want us to be gullible and deceived?

YOU BET IT IS SISTER . and as you very clearly know , BUT STILL i am gonna say it anway , LOOK at who is being called
non loving and judgmental and condeming . THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY CORRECT WITH GODS OWN WORDS .
everyone else , HECK it dont matter what sin they sit in , WELL as long as they vote for their man ,
IT gets overlooked cause HEY THAT IS SO LOVING SO DARN GOOD TO JUST LET THEM SIT IN SIN and unbelief .
FORGIVE the sarchasm sister , but THIS GENERATION and i do mean also much of christendom
has TURNED AGAINST GOD under POLITCAL correctness and what it thinks is so darn loving , so darn non judgmental
that about the only ones and words it THINKS are NON LOVING AND FULL OF CONDEMNATION and HATE and
are those who do correct with GODS OWN WORDS . its not looking good sister .
I suspect the end is much nearer than we think .

 

[amigo de christo]

Totally agree brother. There is nothing taught in scripture about seeking common ground with the lost in order to preach the gospel...that is a man-made idea. We are all human in need of the Saviour, that is common ground enough. We are to love others with the love of God.....but not expect we will necessarily be loved back. In fact if men speak well of us, well that is not always a good thing from God's point of view.

YES IT IS sister . its man made . andguess what its gonna do , What does being unequally yoked do .
causes the down fall of he or she who does so .
AND if you examine their idea about this common ground
I BET YOU HEAR , DONT USE WORDS , Just try and get along and find common ground .
IN OTHER WORDS THERE IS NOTHING about even the preaching OF THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL TO THEM .
ITS all a pharce and i shun it sister . i shun it . its mans ways and mans ways cannot save himself or ANYONE ELSE .
GOD , HIS WAY can . BIBLE TIME folks . TIME to learn THAT JESUS that doctrine that pattern very well .
WE in serious trouble sister . even as upset as i am at them , Even now all i feel like also doing is crying for them .
THEY GOT NO IDEA what it is they follow now sister . AND
believe you me when i say , I WAS NO BETTER than any of them . IF ONLY , IF ONLY
they had truly come to the saving knowledge of JESUS THE CHRIST and not rather to men
who just spouted stuff about him and taught them errors in his name .
SISTER , i cant save them . I cannot save them . My heart is torn and in pain for them , but i cannot save them sister .
THEY SEE me as the monster now , the hater . i cant even get them into the bible again .
Sometimes all i do is weep sister . THE END IS COMING sister . THE END IS COMING and many will wail .
DIDNT have tobe that way , they did it to themselves , CAUSE GOD sure did not desire their death
NOR DID I . only THEY WOULD NOT .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The remarriage to israel , IS those IN JESUS THE CHRIST , not the jews who rejected him .
OH he has set up a new covenant all right . ITS BELIEVE YE IN JESUS .
The jews will face the same damanation as do a gentile who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST . the same one .
And many gonna wail . wail and howl and howl and wail , wishing to GOD and all that is holy
they had not rejected JESUS THE CHRIST . that do include every jew who denied him just as it do every gentile too .
TIME TO PREACH that gospel . and not the social justice junk trash , I mean the real ONE .

No it is not to the Jews who rejected HIm, but to the nation which will be saved at the end of the tribulation as declared in Ez. 20, Zech. 13 and Romans 11

 

[Ronald Nolette]

that last line sure did put a bit of fear into my heart . you actually make it sound like We got TWO GODS
not just ONE . THE WIFE OF JESUS who is alpha and omega . just a friendly reminder my dear friend .
GOD dont have one wife and JESUS another . that sounds a bit scary to me . Maybe you can try and clear that up a bit .
We will let the very words of CHRIST HIMSELF clear up this matter .
ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS ARE MINE . yeah . lets keep that in mind shall we .

Jesus has no wife yet. TRhe Father had a wife- the nation of Israel.

We do not ser4ve two Gods, We serve one God who is manifested in three persons, Father, Son and Holy spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

that last line sure did put a bit of fear into my heart . you actually make it sound like We got TWO GODS
not just ONE . THE WIFE OF JESUS who is alpha and omega . just a friendly reminder my dear friend .
GOD dont have one wife and JESUS another . that sounds a bit scary to me . Maybe you can try and clear that up a bit .
We will let the very words of CHRIST HIMSELF clear up this matter .
ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS ARE MINE . yeah . lets keep that in mind shall we .

We are not Jesus wife yet. We are only the espoused! God the Father had a wife and divorced her and will remarry her when He saves the remnant of Israel that survives the tribulation.

 

[Lizbeth]

YES IT IS sister . its man made . andguess what its gonna do , What does being unequally yoked do .
causes the down fall of he or she who does so .
AND if you examine their idea about this common ground
I BET YOU HEAR , DONT USE WORDS , Just try and get along and find common ground .
IN OTHER WORDS THERE IS NOTHING about even the preaching OF THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL TO THEM .
ITS all a pharce and i shun it sister . i shun it . its mans ways and mans ways cannot save himself or ANYONE ELSE .
GOD , HIS WAY can . BIBLE TIME folks . TIME to learn THAT JESUS that doctrine that pattern very well .
WE in serious trouble sister . even as upset as i am at them , Even now all i feel like also doing is crying for them .
THEY GOT NO IDEA what it is they follow now sister . AND
believe you me when i say , I WAS NO BETTER than any of them . IF ONLY , IF ONLY
they had truly come to the saving knowledge of JESUS THE CHRIST and not rather to men
who just spouted stuff about him and taught them errors in his name .
SISTER , i cant save them . I cannot save them . My heart is torn and in pain for them , but i cannot save them sister .
THEY SEE me as the monster now , the hater . i cant even get them into the bible again .
Sometimes all i do is weep sister . THE END IS COMING sister . THE END IS COMING and many will wail .
DIDNT have tobe that way , they did it to themselves , CAUSE GOD sure did not desire their death
NOR DID I . only THEY WOULD NOT .

I know, it's hard to watch, and all anyone can do is speak the truth and pray for people. We can't do what only the Holy Spirit can do. Ultimately it is the Lord who will have mercy on who He has mercy and harden who He will and we can only bow to His judgment in these things and leave it in His hands. But we must not be discouraged......I for one have been blessed and strengthened by things that you bring brother. And I still hope and believe that the challenges and difficulties in the days ahead might help to wake up more people in the church, and also prepare the hearts of some of those outside to receive the gospel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Bible says that they (OT saints) would not be made perfect without us. Jesus went to the place of the dead after He died and preached the gospel to the souls there. They received Christ after they died. OT saints as well as even ancient Gentile saints who had faith are all part of the body/bride of Christ and "commonwealth" of the Israel of God.

No, they are not part of the church/ the bride of Christ. tht is a privilege only for tthose saved after pentecost and before the rapture. All other saved have different destinies in the millennial kingdom. as for eternity, we do not know if those distinctions hold or not.

John the Baptist recognized he was not part of the bride of christ. He called himself the friend of the bridegroom.

Yes in the Abrahams Bosom compartment of hell, the righteous accepted the Messiahship of Jesus. but that did not make them part of the church.

And no the bible specifically declares that the commonwealth of Israel is reserved for the children of the 12 sons of Jacob. The church is not part of the commonwealth of Israel. We are one new man in christ with saved jews, but are not Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No man can come to the Father but by Me, Jesus said. An Apostle wrote that if you have not the Son you have not the Father either. And remember these things were preached and taught to the Jews/Israel "first" before the Gentile. The only way anyone belonging to Israel after the flesh can be part of the bride/wife of Jehovah God is through Christ. Bride and wife are the same thing. There are many bridal references in the OT.

Yes . since Pentecost no one is saved apart from being drawn to jesus by God the Father.

But that was not the case in the OT. People were saved based on the blood Jesus shed, but th eobject of their faith was different in the different dispensations prior to Calvary.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you doubt Christ when He says, I and my father are one?

John 10:30 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

Not at all. but that does not mean that Jesus does all teh same things the Father does and vice versa. God the Father did not go to the cross.

They are one but three separate "persons".

Jesus does not when He willdescend to the clouds and catch up His bride. Only the Father knows that.

God the Father does not intercede for th esaints- Only Jesus does.

So while they are one, they do have differing roles within the God head.

 

[Lizbeth]

No, they are not part of the church/ the bride of Christ. tht is a privilege only for tthose saved after pentecost and before the rapture. All other saved have different destinies in the millennial kingdom. as for eternity, we do not know if those distinctions hold or not.

John the Baptist recognized he was not part of the bride of christ. He called himself the friend of the bridegroom.

Yes in the Abrahams Bosom compartment of hell, the righteous accepted the Messiahship of Jesus. but that did not make them part of the church.

And no the bible specifically declares that the commonwealth of Israel is reserved for the children of the 12 sons of Jacob. The church is not part of the commonwealth of Israel. We are one new man in christ with saved jews, but are not Israel.

Whoever belongs to God belongs to Christ in eternity.....that is what it means to be a bride/wife. Christ and the Father are one....they do not have separate "spouses". I think some of your theology on this comes from believing His kingdom is coming with observation....you are looking for an earthly millennial kingdom reign. We are in that reign in THIS age.....He is ruling and reigning now....Jesus after His resurrection said that all authority in heaven and earth had been given to Him. When Jesus returns this world will burn up and He at that time returns the kingdom back to the Father.....we have not been interpreting Revelation correctly. The Jews were looking for an earthly kingdom with an earthly Messiah and that is one thing that caused them to reject Jesus as Messiah....it tripped them up and this is why Jesus corrected that mindset when He said His kingdom comes not with their careful observation but is within/among those who believe. It has potential to trip many up again and cause them to accept a false messiah who will try to implement an earthly utopia, so it's important to seek God for understanding on this.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All people who are saved are saved and have been saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus our Lord, who is and always shall be the Messiah/Savior of whosoever believed He would come, and also whosoever believes He has come. Do you believe the Old Covenant saints were saved another way?

Then show me from the OT one person who confesses Jesus as Lord and believed He would die and physically rise for their sin.

There were many prophecies concerning Him, but as it is written, they did not know who and what they were prophesying about.

All who are saved throughout the ages are saved because of Jesus death and resurrection, but not all put their personal faith in Him.

 

[Lizbeth]

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Yes . since Pentecost no one is saved apart from being drawn to jesus by God the Father.

But that was not the case in the OT. People were saved based on the blood Jesus shed, but th eobject of their faith was different in the different dispensations prior to Calvary.

Splitting too many hairs brother. There is one God, one faith, one spirit and one body from cover to cover.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Spirit of Old dwelt with/among His people. Now, since the advent of Christ, He dwells within His people. Both are still eternally saved the same way by grace through faith.

Absolutely! But the object of their faith in the differing dispensations of the OT times were different than the object of faith in the church age. It was and is still by grace through faith and all sin was paid for the blood of Jesus. but that wasn't known until it happened.