22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly.

And this makes the Protestant doctrine of “Eternal Security” conditional and NOT absolute.

Here you go again acting as if all Protestants are Calvinists. You are incredibly ignorant.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wrong, Einstein Junior. One passage is about things people say and the other is about things people do. That is not the same context at all. You must not even know what the word context means.

Time for a language lesson, son . . .

The context here is recognizing a person’s “fruit”.
In one passage, the fruit represents words and thoughts.
In the 2nd passage, the fruit is one’s actions.

SAME context – different situations, Einstein. .

LOL. Does this mean you are acknowledging that the 2 examples that have been addressed already are invalid? But, you don't want to talk about that. You have a strange impression that since the other 2 examples haven't been specifically addressed yet, that it somehow makes them valid. I would say the fact that 2 of them have already been debunked is strong evidence that the other 2 are most likely invalid as well. I don't need any convincing of that, though, so I'm not going to waste my time looking at them. You've already been thoroughly exposed as a fraud, so what's the point of piling on?

Nope.

It means that you guys haven’t even been able to rationalize away even ONE of the examples I gave you. Sophomoric insults and impotent reasoning don’t amount to a SINGLE valid argument.

If you’re not even going to try – give someone else a shot . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here you go again acting as if all Protestants are Calvinists. You are incredibly ignorant.

Calvinists aren't the only ones who believe in Eternal Security, Einstein.
Not to mention the fact that Calvinists ARE Protestants.

Good grief . . .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Romanism" is a stupid insult used by uneducated bigots. People using "Mystery Babylon" to mean the Catholic Church are hostile, psychotic and cannot be reasoned with.

The Catholic Church is certainly part of the great city Mystery Babylon, at least, even if not Mystery Babylon itself.

Revelation 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! 17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’



Look at the haughtiness of these guys who just happen to be dressed "in fine linen, purple and scarlet". Fits the description of the passage above very well.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Time for a language lesson, son . . .

You have NOTHING to teach me, Einstein Junior. Don't waste your time.

The context here is recognizing a person’s “fruit”.
In one passage, the fruit represents words and thoughts.
In the 2nd passage, the fruit is one’s actions.

SAME context – different situations, Einstein. .

Nope.

It means that you guys haven’t even been able to rationalize away even ONE of the examples I gave you. Sophomoric insults and impotent reasoning don’t amount to a SINGLE valid argument.

If you’re not even going to try – give someone else a shot . . .

You accusing others of Sophomoric insults when that is ALL you have to offer. That is rich. Keep the laughs coming, kid.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Calvinists aren't the only ones who believe in Eternal Security, Einstein.
Not to mention the fact that Calvinists ARE Protestants.

Good grief . . .

Are you being purposely dense? You referenced eternal security as if that was a universal Protestant doctrine. Maybe you should think about how you word things for the first time in your life, Junior.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have NOTHING to teach me, Einstein Junior. Don't waste your time.

Just DID.

You accusing others of Sophomoric insults when that is ALL you have to offer. That is rich. Keep the laughs coming, kid.

Uh-huh, along with Scripture, history, etymological facts, etc . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you being purposely dense? You referenced eternal security as if that was a universal Protestant doctrine. Maybe you should think about how you word things for the first time in your life, Junior.

WRONG.
I simply referred to it as a Protestant doctrine - which is IS.

Not too bright - are ya?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Heb. 11:35 references TWO DIFFERENT events, Einstein.

Pail is listing events and people from the Old Testament:
Heb. 11:32-35
And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection.

It is the SECOND part of that verse that references Macc. 7.

EPIC FAIL on your part . . .

Who is Pail?

Apparently, he wrote the book of Hebrews if our friend BreadOfLife is correct. He's full of secret information.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just DID.

Just ATTEMPTED to. And failed. Again. I would tell you to keep the laughs coming, but I know that you will, so there's no need.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WRONG.
I simply referred to it as a Protestant doctrine - which is IS.

Not too bright - are ya?

When you word it like that it comes across as if all Protestants believe that. But, I wouldn't expect someone with your utter lack of intelligence to understand something simple like this.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church is certainly part of the great city Mystery Babylon, at least, even if not Mystery Babylon itself.

Revelation 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! 17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

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Look at the haughtiness of these guys who just happen to be dressed "in fine linen, purple and scarlet". Fits the description of the passage above very well.

You're embarrassing yourself again . . .

The Bible states the following about the Whore:
1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
- Vatican Hill is NOT one of the 7 hills of Rome: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, Viminal Hill

- Jerusalem DOES sit on 7 hills: Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)
- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" - “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26) along with pagan Rome.

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" that became a “Whore”
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

5. Apostate Jerusalem has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs) – NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire” (Rev. 17:16).

What happened in 70 AD?
The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by pagan Rome.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where in the book of Revelation does it say new rulers are born every generation?

I already showed you Revelation 1:5-6. Did you not read it? Do you see there that John talked about Christ being the ruler of the kings of the earth and believers at that time having been made priests in Christ's kingdom? Why would that have not continued for believers from then on?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're embarrassing yourself again . . .

The Bible states the following about the Whore:
1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
- Vatican Hill is NOT one of the 7 hills of Rome: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, Viminal Hill

- Jerusalem DOES sit on 7 hills: Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)
- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" - “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26) along with pagan Rome.

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" that became a “Whore”
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

5. Apostate Jerusalem has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs) – NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire” (Rev. 17:16).

What happened in 70 AD?
The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by pagan Rome.

Are you unable to read? I didn't say that the Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon, I said it is part of Mystery Babylon. It encompasses more than just the false Catholic Church as it is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem (Christ's church). Also, Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem. Not surprising that your biblical knowledge is lacking since you've been inundated with so much false teaching.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Hebrews 3:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

 

[BreadOfLife]

When you word it like that it comes across as if all Protestants believe that. But, I wouldn't expect someone with your utter lack of intelligence to understand something simple like this.

Luther, Calvin, Zwingili, Knox, et all - ALL have different doctrines that they invented.

ALL of those doctrines are Protestant doctrines - regardless of WHO invented them.
NOT that difficult to understand . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you unable to read? I didn't say that the Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon, I said it is part of Mystery Babylon. It encompasses more than just the false Catholic Church as it is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem (Christ's church). Also, Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem. Not surprising that your biblical knowledge is lacking since you've been inundated with so much false teaching.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Hebrews 3:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

Yes - that's a relatively NEW cop-out on the anti-Catholic circuits.

Ignorant anti-Catholics like YOU used to claim it WAS the Whore of Babylon - until you were publicly humiliated by posts like mike.
THEN, you guys switched to, "PART of Mystery Babylon"..

Nive try, sparky - but the Bible SQUASHES your idiocy . . .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Luther, Calvin, Zwingili, Knox, et all - ALL have different doctrines that they invented.

ALL of those doctrines are Protestant doctrines - regardless of WHO invented them.
NOT that difficult to understand . . .

Clearly, whoever came up with the idea that opposite doctrines can fall under the same label wasn't very intelligent. Imagine me telling you that two doctrines that teach completely different things were both Catholic doctrines. What would you think about that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes - that's a relatively NEW cop-out on the anti-Catholic circuits.

I don't go by what others teach, so I couldn't care less about how others interpret that.

Ignorant anti-Catholics like YOU used to claim it WAS the Whore of Babylon - until you were publicly humiliated by posts like mike.
THEN, you guys switched to, "PART of Mystery Babylon"..

Nive try, sparky - but the Bible SQUASHES your idiocy . . .

Now, you are lying. I have NEVER said mystery Babylon was the Catholic Church. Do you know that lying is a sin? Maybe it's not a sin in your false Catholic Bible.

And you noticeably said NOTHING in response to me THOROUGHLY refuting your claim that Revelation 11:8 is talking about Jerusalem by using SCRIPTURE.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Clearly, whoever came up with the idea that opposite doctrines can fall under the same label wasn't very intelligent. Imagine me telling you that two doctrines that teach completely different things were both Catholic doctrines. What would you think about that?

Then YOU Protestants have a problem, don't 'cha?

Because . . .
Some Protestant factions believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on.

Don't blame ME - I'm NOT the one who started this perpetual-splintering.
Your Protestant FATHERS did . . .

 

[covenantee]

Then, why is there no cross-reference to 1 Kings 10 in Matt. 12:42?

And I presented FOUR examples . . .

Then why is there no cross-reference to the apoxrypha in Matthew 12:42?

You got your three strikes previously.

You're out.