22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

Falser, you really need to stop lying. Did you know that lying is a sin? We don't teach that anyone is replaced, we teach that Gentile believers are joined with Jewish believers in the spiritual Israel of God and in one body (the body of Christ/church).

No, replacement theology is this....denying future national Israel their promise and claiming it as your exclusive promise.

Saying that God changed His mind and gave the promise to you.

Minor RT is thinking the entirety of the passage in Jer 31 is "spiritually" about them and "spirit talk", which the majority of Christendom thinks..

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, the cult of the 3000 at Pentecost that had the gall to obey Acts 2:38(Peter).

What a cult!

Oneness Pentecostalism, The Cult Of (Robert T. McAlister) In 1913

 

[Truther]

This is such an unnecessary squabble over nothing. It doesnt matter when Christ comes or if there will ever be a rapture. What matters is are we believing and trusting Christ and living our lives accordingly

It is better to debate a cause without settling it than to settle it without debating it.

 

[Truther]

No, I never said that. Why do you continually misrepresent what others believe? You do it constantly. Something is seriously wrong with you.


Which promise exactly are you talking about?


An "Acts skipper"? What in the world are you talking about? You are coming across as unhinged here with your nonsense.

If you have not obeyed this to the letter....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Then you are an Acts skipper.

You have no business in the letters to the churches(Romans-Rev).

That is mail theft.

Tell the other Amils I said that.

Thanks.

 

[Truther]

It's talking about being saved under the new covenant which was established long ago by the blood of Christ, so it's talking about all current believers being saved and all future believers being saved. Then all Spiritual Israel together (all believers from all-time) will be saved.


What are you talking about?

You are saying that he that is saved shall be saved.

Deep.

LOL

 

[Truther]

WRONG.
water Baptism is a requirement for the forgiveness of sins and for entry into the church (Catechism of the Catholic church, paragraphs 1213 - 1293,

As for your "Whore of Babylon" manure - you couldn't actually refute ANY of the evidence I presented - could you?
That's what I thought . . .

The RCC is the mother of all Acts 2:38 skippers.

Say "hi" to your daughters for me.

They all follow the RCC in Acts skipping.

 

[Truther]

Oneness Pentecostalism, The Cult Of (Robert T. McAlister) In 1913

No, Peter's cult...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I am not modern oneness, nor was Peter etc.

They taught God inside Christ.

The latter incarnationist movement beginning in the 4th century taught God alongside little Christ, the 6' ish man.

Trins and oneness are incarnationist cousins.

The RCC presides over them as their mother.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is what the preterists teach....

This...

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Really means this...

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the TEMPLE shall pass away with a great noise, and the LAW shall melt with fervent heat, the JEWS also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Do you teach that also?

No, I do not. So, you wasted your time posting that. Are you just unable to understand what other people tell you about what they believe? Nothing I've said to you would indicate that I'm a preterist who would interpret that passage in such a ludicrous way. The literal heavens and earth will burn up when Christ returns. That is what 2 Peter 3:10-12 is about. You can't reconcile that with your Premil view.

Now, Zech 14 depicts Rev 19-20.

Same event.

Jerusalem is saved as it is being overrun and spends 1000 years in peace.

Jerusalem is destroyed with the old heaven and earth at Rev 20:14....

The New Jerusalem city is introduced for the capital of the new heaven and earth.

Easy peasy.

Nonsense. There is a long list of scriptures that you are contradicting with what you are saying here and 2 Peter 3:10-12 is included on that list.

 

[Truther]

No, I do not. So, you wasted your time posting that. Are you just unable to understand what other people tell you about what they believe? Nothing I've said to you would indicate that I'm a preterist. The literal heavens and earth will burn up when Christ returns. That is what 2 Peter 3:10-12 is about. You can't reconcile that with your Premil view.


Nonsense. There is a long list of scriptures that you are contradicting with what you are saying here and 2 Peter 3:10-12 is included on that list.

Here is the "day" of the Lord in it's entirety as per 2 Peter...


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day....


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[St. Joseph]

It is better to debate a cause without settling it than to settle it without debating it.

If can be done cordially and in the right spirit. Agree?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, replacement theology is this....denying future national Israel their promise and claiming it as your exclusive promise.

If you accept what the New Testament teaches (do you?) then you should see that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ Himself and those who belong to Christ, which include Israelite and Gentile believers. So, I am not denying anyone their promise. I am interpreting who the promise applies to based on what is written in the New Testament, such as in passages like Galatians 3:16-29.

Saying that God changed His mind and gave the promise to you.

I would never say that God would change His mind. You are so desperate that all you can do is make things up and misrepresent what others believe. That's what people do when they are unable to support their own beliefs with scripture and unable to refute what others believe. They resort to lying as you are doing.

Minor RT is thinking the entirety of the passage in Jer 31 is "spiritually" about them and "spirit talk", which the majority of Christendom thinks..

Hebrews 8:6-13 indicates that Jeremiah 31:31-34 is about the new covenant and scripture teaches that the new covenant was established long ago by the blood of Christ. Both Israelite and Gentile believers are saved under the new covenant. Every Christian should understand this. Anyone who does not understand this has to be completely lacking in discernment.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are saying that he that is saved shall be saved.

Deep.

LOL

No, I'm not saying that. You clearly did not understand what I was saying, which is no surprise. Do you have anything to say that doesn't involve misrepresenting what I believe? It doesn't seem so.

 

[covenantee]

It means you and I ain't communicatin' proper

What ain't proper?

 

[St. Joseph]

Oh I get it now!!

All saved(present tense) shall be saved(future tense).

Just in case baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins doesn't work...LOL.

Baptism doesnt save. You will not go to hell if not baptize by water.

 

[Truther]

If can be done cordially and in the right spirit. Agree?

Yes.

We should keep it fun as if we are face to face, but direct.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you have not obeyed this to the letter....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Then you are an Acts skipper.

You have no business in the letters to the churches(Romans-Rev).

That is mail theft.

Tell the other Amils I said that.

Thanks.

Who told you that I have not obeyed that? Why are you acting as if you are God and judging others when you don't know us at all? There is something very seriously wrong with you. You need professional help.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is the "day" of the Lord in it's entirety as per 2 Peter...


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day....


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

How does the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night in this scenario?

2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with Revelation 20 whatsoever. What Peter was indicating in 2 Peter 3:8-9 is that the Lord is not being slow in keeping the promise of Christ's second coming as some think because He exists outside of time. To Him, there's no difference between one day and a thousand years so it isn't possible that He is being slow to fulfill that promise. That is what 2 Peter 3:8-9 means. That has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20 or with the day of the Lord. It's ridiculous to think that a thousand year period of time can be said to come like a thief in the night (to come suddenly and unexpectedly).

 

[covenantee]

You are saying that he that is saved shall be saved.

You don't believe that he that is saved from sin shall be saved from hell?

Do you believe that he that is saved from sin shall go to hell?

 

[Truther]

If you accept what the New Testament teaches (do you?) then you should see that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ Himself and those who belong to Christ, which include Israelite and Gentile believers. So, I am not denying anyone their promise. I am interpreting who the promise applies to based on what is written in the New Testament, such as in passages like Galatians 3:16-29.


I would never say that God would change His mind. You are so desperate that all you can do is make things up and misrepresent what others believe. That's what people do when they are unable to support their own beliefs with scripture and unable to refute what others believe. They resort to lying as you are doing.


Hebrews 8:6-13 indicates that Jeremiah 31:31-34 is about the new covenant and scripture teaches that the new covenant was established long ago by the blood of Christ. Both Israelite and Gentile believers are saved under the new covenant. Every Christian should understand this. Anyone who does not understand this has to be completely lacking in discernment.

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Rev 13:8) and there have been various methods to commemorate this event.

In the OT, the sacrifice was the commemoration to get God to not hold them accountable for sinning.

In the NT, we obey Acts 2:38 to have our sins remitted.

When Jesus returns to earth, the commemorative sacrifices will return and the blood will be recognized that way.

Folks that don't participate will be troubled by God per Zech 14.

The Law and Grace were both instituted from the garden of Eden. Tree of knowledge and tree of life.

 

[Truther]

Baptism doesnt save. You will not go to hell if not baptize by water.

He that believeth AND IS baptized shall be saved...