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Spiritual Israelite

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Are we also considered the firstfruits here per James 2?

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
You are again relating two unrelated passages. Pray for wisdom (James 1:5-7) so that you stop taking scripture out of context. The firstfruits James alluded to were first century JEWS that believed in Christ. They are firstfruits in the sense of being the first to follow Christ. The passage you quoted here (1 Thess 4:16-17) is about the dead in Christ from all-time and those who are alive and remain until Christ returns being caught up to meet Christ "in the air" when He returns.
 

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I Disagree, All will be raised on the last day at the second coming, there won't be a millennial kingdom on this earth, it's a man made fairy tale
This is a man made fairy tale?...


2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


...to a preterist(which has no part in this) the 1000 year reign of Christ does not include them, thus is a fairy tale.
 

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Of course He is one person, but it's plural because His resurrection unto bodily immortality made it so that all the dead who belong to Him can one day be resurrected unto bodily immortality as well. It very specifically says that Christ is the firstfruits of those who have fallen sleep (physically died). It doesn't say "those who have physcally died" are the firstfruits.

So, don't get hung up on the singular or plural of that word. Just accept what Paul said, which is that Jesus Himself is the firstfruits of those who have died and belong to Him. It's just like saying what it says here, which is that He was the first to rise from the dead:

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

Of course, we know that Lazarus and a few others were resurrected before Jesus, so what does this mean? It means that He was the first to be resurrected unto bodily immortality. No one else has been yet. Next in order are those who belong to Him at His second coming. That's it. Paul doesn't mention any other dead being resurrected unto bodily immortality at any other time.
Does 1 Thes 4 and James 2 make us the resurrected firstruits?

Yep, then there are 2 sets of firstfruits per your logic.
 

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I'm not a preterist, but I know that no preterist teaches that. You are arguing with a straw man here. Stop wasting your time doing that.
You teach there is NO tree of life to eat from just the opposite of what Jesus taught in Rev 2 and you are not a preterist?

You are real close to a preterist, as you teach a literal tree of life in a literal paradise are fictitious statements of Jesus.
 

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I believe eating from the tree of life symbolizes enjoying the eternal life that we will have with God in the new heavens and on the new earth forever. But, if you want to think it's talking about literally eating from a literal tree, go for it. As I said more than once already, I do believe we will be able to eat and do physical things with our changed bodies (rather than just being spirits or anything like that), so we do agree on that.
How does the tree of life become "enjoying life" instead of the tree in paradise that Jesus vividly described in Rev 2?

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


Please use Bible verses to redefine this verse to say that for us.

Thanks.
 

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You are again relating two unrelated passages. Pray for wisdom (James 1:5-7) so that you stop taking scripture out of context. The firstfruits James alluded to were first century JEWS that believed in Christ. They are firstfruits in the sense of being the first to follow Christ. The passage you quoted here (1 Thess 4:16-17) is about the dead in Christ from all-time and those who are alive and remain until Christ returns being caught up to meet Christ "in the air" when He returns.
James says we are firstfruits here....


18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Now, are you a firstfruit too?

Yes or no?
 

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(The Future First Resurrection)

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

As usual you change subjects and divert from what we were talking about. That just about sums up engaging with you.
 

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This is a man made fairy tale?...


2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


...to a preterist(which has no part in this) the 1000 year reign of Christ does not include them, thus is a fairy tale.

What nonsense you talk. This is always the sign Premils have lost the debate - which is every debate on this forum. Amils relate this to the here-and-now. The reigning is in the heavenly realm with Christ. We are looking at the "souls" of the redeemed. This is showing the victory Christ won over sin, death, Hades and Satan through His first resurrection. You do not get that.
 
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This is a man made fairy tale?...


2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


...to a preterist(which has no part in this) the 1000 year reign of Christ does not include them, thus is a fairy tale.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​


Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Stick with what scripture teaches instead of making up nonsense from your imagination such as saying being "in Jesus" and "in Christ" are different things. LOL. It doesn't get any more nonsensical than that.

A Natural Mind relies on the Senses to communicate thoughts to the Mind, to arrive at a Logical Belief, Between this and that.

A Natural Heart relies on Trust to Believe the Word of God is Truth.

Scripture IS the Trusted Word of God “for some”…. Who are called ENLIGHTENED “IN” Jesus…. Expressly Because Jesus “IS” the Word of God.

Such a person CAN be MINDFULLY, Logically Believing “IN” Jesus….They are “FOLLOWERS” ‘WITH” Jesus….
and oops, la de la…CHANGE THEIR MIND;
Stop following, Stop Mindfully Believing, Stop being WITH Jesus….
AND oops….Jesus will STOP BeING WITH THEM!
They have fallen AWAY.

IN” Christ is established by, through, of A MAN, “IN” Jesus, WHO FURTHER BEYOND BELIEF, “Freely”, ‘HEARTFULLY” GIVES HIS BODILY LIFE UNTO DEATH expressly TO and FOR the Lord God.
Such a person can NEVER fall Away.

If THAT makes NO SENSE TO YOU….that would BE your illogical CARNAL problem, not my heartful SPIRITUAL problem.

IF, your Carnal Mind can NOT differentiate the difference between the meaning of the words “WITH” and “IN”, that would be your problem, not mine.

IF, your Carnal Mind can NOT differentiate the difference between the meaning of the words “SHALL be SAVED” and “IS SAVED”, that would be your problem, not mine.

IF, your Carnal Mind can NOT differentiate the difference between the WISDOM of the words “NOT appointed to Wrath” and “IS appointed to Wrath”, that would be your problem, not mine.

You repeatedly telling me what MAKES NO SENSE TO your Carnal Mind, IS utterly irrelevant, in regards to me attempting to have a Spiritual conversation with you.
 

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What nonsense you talk. This is always the sign Premils have lost the debate - which is every debate on this forum. Amils relate this to the here-and-now. The reigning is in the heavenly realm with Christ. We are looking at the "souls" of the redeemed. This is showing the victory Christ won over sin, death, Hades and Satan through His first resurrection. You do not get that.

A “premil” believer, is one WHO, IS NOT APPOINTED TO “WRATH”….

Instead of trying to ARGUE AGAINST a ‘premil” believer…..
WHY ARE YOU NOT REVEALING “YOUR STANDING”?

IF you should be BODILY ALIVE on the face of the Earth “when the Lord God Begins sending His Wrath Down upon the face of the Earth and it’s inhabitants”…..

SPECIFICALLY HOW shall YOU be AFFECTED ??? AND WHY ???
 

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Anyone who tries to say that being "in Jesus" is different than being "in Christ" is clearly not spiritually in tune with spiritual reality.
You would first need to know the difference between “WITH” and “IN”.

Then you would need to read and study the Scriptures that reveal;
WHO Jesus IS.
WHO Christ IS.

Study requires reading IN CONTEXT what is spoken…

WITH Jesus………….10 times in Scripture.
IN Jesus………………..3 times in Scripture.
WITH Christ…………..9 times in Scripture
IN Christ………………..35+ times in Scripture.
WITH Jesus Christ…0 times in Scripture.
WITH Christ Jesus…0 times in Scripture.
IN Jesus Christ………4 times in Scripture.
IN Christ Jesus……...40 times in Scripture.

WISDOM is Spiritual UNDERSTANDING of the EXPRESS difference of the Revealed Word of God.

Carnal BELIEF is one thing.
Heartful BELIEF is another thing.
Carnal “CONFESSION” of Belief is one thing.
Heartful “CONFESSION” of Belief is another thing.

I have ZERO requirement to ARGUE “with you” EXPRESS Scriptural Speech.
You want to REJECT EXPRESS Scriptural Speech…..
Argue that point with the Author of Scripture….who expressly says:
“IN” Jesus… 3 times.
“IN” Christ… 35+ times.
“IN” Jesus Christ…4 times.
“IN” Christ Jesus…40 times.

What in the world is this nonsense? Where does scripture itself make these distinctions? NOWHERE. You are continually making things up.


No. That is a false accusation.
Scripture itself EXPRESSES IN CONTEXT the delineations of KNOWLEDGE and applicability of the EXPRESS KNOWLEDGE and the EXPRESS TIMING of WHEN the MANIFESTATION of the KNOWLEDGE shall come to pass.

Knowledge, Belief, Conversion of a man, is one thing, specific to THAT ONE MAN.
Manifestation of the Lord God’s Promises “coming to pass” is another thing.

You preaching CONVERTED MEN, Shall be ON Earth in the last days WHEN God is sending HIS WRATH UPON the Earth and it’s inhabitants….IS NOT TAUGHT in Scripture.

You preaching your “round about implication” that Christ Jesus the Lord IS PRESENTLY the SITTING KING, ruling the kings of THIS PRESENT WORLD….is NOT TAUGHT IN Scripture….and ANYONE WITH EYES can SEE and EARS can HEAR….the “kings” OF THIS WORLD ARE NOT “speaking OR acting” UNDER the RULE of Christ Jesus….
( WHOM, HAS NOT YET BECOME SEATED ON His EARTHLY THRONE…to CONDUCT “with His Authority, AND His Word, AND Power…
RULERSHIP OVER the “kings” of this world FOR 1,000 YEARS.)
 

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You would first need to know the difference between “WITH” and “IN”.

Then you would need to read and study the Scriptures that reveal;
WHO Jesus IS.
WHO Christ IS.

Study requires reading IN CONTEXT what is spoken…

WITH Jesus………….10 times in Scripture.
IN Jesus………………..3 times in Scripture.
WITH Christ…………..9 times in Scripture
IN Christ………………..35+ times in Scripture.
WITH Jesus Christ…0 times in Scripture.
WITH Christ Jesus…0 times in Scripture.
IN Jesus Christ………4 times in Scripture.
IN Christ Jesus……...40 times in Scripture.

WISDOM is Spiritual UNDERSTANDING of the EXPRESS difference of the Revealed Word of God.

Carnal BELIEF is one thing.
Heartful BELIEF is another thing.
Carnal “CONFESSION” of Belief is one thing.
Heartful “CONFESSION” of Belief is another thing.

I have ZERO requirement to ARGUE “with you” EXPRESS Scriptural Speech.
You want to REJECT EXPRESS Scriptural Speech…..
Argue that point with the Author of Scripture….who expressly says:
“IN” Jesus… 3 times.
“IN” Christ… 35+ times.
“IN” Jesus Christ…4 times.
“IN” Christ Jesus…40 times.




No. That is a false accusation.
Scripture itself EXPRESSES IN CONTEXT the delineations of KNOWLEDGE and applicability of the EXPRESS KNOWLEDGE and the EXPRESS TIMING of WHEN the MANIFESTATION of the KNOWLEDGE shall come to pass.

Knowledge, Belief, Conversion of a man, is one thing, specific to THAT ONE MAN.
Manifestation of the Lord God’s Promises “coming to pass” is another thing.

You preaching CONVERTED MEN, Shall be ON Earth in the last days WHEN God is sending HIS WRATH UPON the Earth and it’s inhabitants….IS NOT TAUGHT in Scripture.

You preaching your “round about implication” that Christ Jesus the Lord IS PRESENTLY the SITTING KING, ruling the kings of THIS PRESENT WORLD….is NOT TAUGHT IN Scripture….and ANYONE WITH EYES can SEE and EARS can HEAR….the “kings” OF THIS WORLD ARE NOT “speaking OR acting” UNDER the RULE of Christ Jesus….
( WHOM, HAS NOT YET BECOME SEATED ON His EARTHLY THRONE…to CONDUCT “with His Authority, AND His Word, AND Power…
RULERSHIP OVER the “kings” of this world FOR 1,000 YEARS.)

How about quoting Scripture and letting it speak for itself instead of inventing your own false and convoluted teaching?
 

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How about quoting Scripture and letting it speak for itself instead of inventing your own false and convoluted teaching?

I speak for myself, AND have quoted Scripture which verifies the basis for that which I speak for myself.

Your MO is to speak FOR others, then Disagree with what you have said FOR Others….as you say….Premil’s believe this and that.

So, again, why are you NOT “speaking FOR yourself of your own Standing” and giving the Scriptures for the basis of what “YOU speak FOR yourself” ?
 

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I speak for myself, AND have quoted Scripture which verifies the basis for that which I speak for myself.

Your MO is to speak FOR others, then Disagree with what you have said FOR Others….as you say….Premil’s believe this and that.

So, again, why are you NOT “speaking FOR yourself of your own Standing” and giving the Scriptures for the basis of what “YOU speak FOR yourself” ?

You twist Scripture and then make your long laborious unbiblical unintelligible speeches.
 

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What nonsense you talk. This is always the sign Premils have lost the debate - which is every debate on this forum. Amils relate this to the here-and-now. The reigning is in the heavenly realm with Christ. We are looking at the "souls" of the redeemed. This is showing the victory Christ won over sin, death, Hades and Satan through His first resurrection. You do not get that.
What debate? Count how many time 1000 years is mentioned in this passage.....

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


....and you still don't believe it.

That is spiritual brain freeze.
 

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Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​


Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Count "1000 years or a thousand years" here...

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


I counted 6 times in 6 verses.

That is like Jesus saying verily verily verily verily verily verily I say unto you...

You still don't believe in the thousand year reign of Christ.

You are verily blinded by something.
 

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Your claim in post #6505 seen below, that believers partake in a (Spiritual Resurrection) salvation?

Your teaching and doctrine isnt found in scripture, it's that simple

The word "Resurrection" relates directly to the literal bodily resurrection seen throughout scripture

You use this private interpretation to lay a false foundation for the words (First Resurrection) seen in Revelation 20:6 as being fulfilled at a believers "Salvation" wrong

Quote Post #6505 WPM:

"Those in Him overcome the second death through salvation (spiritual resurrection), not through physical resurrection."
All you have is your evasive cut-and-pastes. You totally avoided his question. That is who you are and that is what you do.

How is someone raised from spiritual death to spiritual life?
 

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Count "1000 years or a thousand years" here...

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, ...


I counted 6 times in 6 verses.

That is like Jesus saying verily verily verily verily verily verily I say unto you...

You still don't believe in the thousand year reign of Christ.

You are verily blinded by something.

The term "a thousand" is used in most languages in a general figurative sense to represent a large number or a large indefinite period. Certain common numbers are frequently used in Scripture as valuable symbols to represent particular divine truths or ideas; a thousand and ten thousand are two such numbers. They are employed as familiar figures to impress deep spiritual principles in a distinctly comprehendible and identifiable way. It is not necessarily the exact numerical size of the figure outlined that is important but the spiritual idea that it represents. In fact, English dictionaries recognize the indefinite nature of a thousand defining it variously as a very large number or a great number or amount. This use is very common in our daily language.

One and a thousand are brought together in a metaphorical sense in Psalm 84:9-10 to represent a similar illustrative thought as that of Deuteronomy 32:30. Using a comparable idea, although applying it to a specific measure of time, we learn, “Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.”

Comparing ‘one’ to ‘a thousand’ is common in Scripture; however, it is not simply a concept that is narrowly restricted to the subject of time, or exact time at that. This figurative statement in essence asserts that a day in the Lord’s presence is more blessed than untold ordinary ones outside of such. It in no way indicates that one (twenty-four hour) day in God’s presence exactly represents one thousand days elsewhere, such a limit would be an unfair restriction upon the meaning intended. Such a literal interpretation is at clear variance with the undoubted general usage of the phrase in Scripture and the specific import of the reading under analysis.

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 to denote the greatness of God’s providence, saying, “For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.”

Does Christ only own the cattle on one thousand hills or does he own them all? Of course there is no way that this passage suggests that Christ only owns the cattle on one thousand hills. Rather, He owns every beast on every hill, thus revealing His omnipotence. The statement reference the “thousand hills” is preceded y the introductory comment: “For every beast of the forest is mine.” This is simply presented in such a way as to express the unfathomable authority and power of the living God. It beautifully correlates with the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 10:28, which states, “the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.”

The term “a thousand” is thus used to in some way express the nature and awesome power of Almighty God. The phrase is used to portray the Sovereignty of God and His supreme kingship over all creation. We must clearly acknowledge that the figure ‘a thousand’ is consistently and symbolically employed, throughout the Word of God, to denote an unfathomable amount or a vast period.

Even the figurative every-day statement ‘one in a thousand’ has emanated from the fountainhead of Scripture. It is found in Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 where Solomon laments, “one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.”

Solomon laments over the fact that he barely found any upright man in his travels. They were the exception rather than the rule. The thought here intended is that the man under consideration is of a particular choice character, being, as it where, the pick-of-the-bunch. The usage of the numbers one and a thousand is thus employed to represent a particular truth rather than specifically describing an accurate numerical equation.

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, “If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness.” The same two common numbers are used here in the form of a contrast to simply portray the picture of a special vessel. Again, it is not the numbers that are important but the idea they represent.

As we have already discovered in our studies, the same kind of function is repeatedly afforded to the use of the term ‘ten thousand’ as is ‘a thousand’ in Scripture. It is often used in the same context and in the same way as a symbol to represent an immense figure. Thus, the Song of Solomon 5:10 declares, “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.”

Ten thousand is here used to, in some way, portray the deep-rooted emotions that a man feels towards his sweetheart. The usage of the number ‘ten thousand’ thus indicates the idea of the deep affection of the man rather than specifically describing an exact numerical computation.

The same idea is presented in 2 Samuel 18:2-3 where David is seen preparing for battle. He tells the people, “I will surely go forth with you myself also.” To which the people responded, “Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city.”

Jesus employs the number ten thousand as a general figure in Luke 14:31 to relate the necessity of wisdom, asking, “what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with TWENTY THOUSAND?”

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, “I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.”

This passage is contrasting the infinite knowledge of God to the finite knowledge of God. This language is stating the enormous depth of God's understanding rather than limiting God to the capacity to only answer a thousand questions.

The same idea is intended in Isaiah 60:21-22, where the prophet instructs, in relation to the New Earth, “Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.”

This passage is expressed in such a manner to in some way describe the great standing, wealth and supernatural power that is found in them that are God’s. God magnifies them in such a manner that the world cannot remotely comprehend. The expressions thus indicate magnitude:

A little one = a thousand
A small one = a strong nation
 

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All you have is your evasive cut-and-pastes. You totally avoided his question. That is who you are and that is what you do.

How is someone raised from spiritual death to spiritual life?
It's not going to change, your claims of a "Spiritual Resurrection" are false

Your claim in post #6505 seen below, that believers partake in a (Spiritual Resurrection) salvation?

Your teaching and doctrine isnt found in scripture, it's that simple

The word "Resurrection" relates directly to the literal bodily resurrection seen throughout scripture

You use this private interpretation to lay a false foundation for the words (First Resurrection) seen in Revelation 20:6 as being fulfilled at a believers "Salvation" wrong

Quote Post #6505 WPM:

"Those in Him overcome the second death through salvation (spiritual resurrection), not through physical resurrection."
 
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