22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[covenantee]

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Flying the flag of dispensationalism's antichrist.

In dispensationalism's decapitated 70th week.

Still afraid to do the grammar.

Debunked again.

 

[RLT63]

Yes, The Coming Prince, by Sir Robert Anderson, published 1895. I have it and read it. Seriously flawed. For example his 360-day-year begins on Nisan 1st, BC 445. But Nehemiah does not mention the day. Also the year is wrong.

Also, Sir Robert's 'Prince' is Antichrist. I appeal to you to reject that. Our Prince is the Lord Jesus!

At least you read the material before rejecting it

 

[WPM]

https://www.techwalla.com › articles › how-to-repair-deep-scratches-on-vinyl-records

Lol. Very good.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You know, I admit there is more than 1 view that could be valid. There is a good case for Amillenielism but it's not the only possibility. You and some others here are convinced that your view is the only view and everyone else is ignorant and can't think for themselves. It's like talking about creation to an evolutionist. There is no point. No matter what evidence I might provide you have already dismissed it before you see it.

What you're saying is not true. We always address any points that are made. Premils typically do not. Yes, we will likely disagree with any points that you make, but we will not just ignore them and will actually address them. And we don't claim that others can't think for themselves, either.

 

[RLT63]

What you're saying is not true. We always address any points that are made. Premils typically do not. Yes, we will likely disagree with any points that you make, but we will not just ignore them and will actually address them. And we don't claim that others can't think for themselves, either.

Someone else made that claim. The person I was addressing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's a link to a book. Have you ever read it?

He already told you that he's not interested in going to other links while he is here. I share that perspective. Yet, you gave that link, anyway. Why? We're here to talk to people like you. If we wanted to read articles on websites, we would not be here and would be browsing those websites instead. You seem to be too reliant on others for understanding. You do understand that you can get wisdom and understanding directly from the Holy Spirit, don't you?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Someone else made that claim. The person I was addressing.

Did he say you can't (are unable to) think for yourself or that you don't seem to be doing that? There's a difference. I fully believe you can think for yourself, and I think he most likely believes that, too. But, you do give the impression that you don't always think for yourself and you rely entirely on the teachings of others for understanding.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm am not sure what you are expecting. Messiah is cut after 69 weeks just like it says.

How long after the 69th week, though? It does not specify that. Are you one of those people who falsely defines the word "after" as meaning "at the end of"? Are you thinking it's saying that He would be cut off at the end of the 69th week? If so, that is wrong. It says He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week and does not indicate how long after the 69th week that it would happen.

 

[RLT63]

He already told you that he's not interested in going to other links while he is here. I share that perspective. Yet, you gave that link, anyway. Why? We're here to talk to people like you. If we wanted to read articles on websites, we would not be here and would be browsing those websites instead. You seem to be too reliant on others for understanding. You do understand that you can get wisdom and understanding directly from the Holy Spirit, don't you?

It was a book, not a link to a website. I asked if he had read the book. Why do you feel the need to defend him? he can't speak for himself?

 

[RLT63]

Did he say you can't (are unable to) think for yourself or that you don't seem to be doing that? There's a difference. I fully believe you can think for yourself, and I think he most likely believes that, too. But, you do give the impression that you don't always think for yourself and you rely entirely on the teachings of others for understanding.

And you can tell this from a few posts. Amazing

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Great. You post a fabricated falsified chart, along with false dates, and an incorrect decree. You can have your time at the head of the table now. I'll stand on the truth which you seem to have very little regard for.

You are an immature child. To suggest that he has very little regard for the truth couldn't be further from the truth. Are you unable to discuss these things like an adult? What do your childish insults accomplish?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And you can tell this from a few posts. Amazing

It's the impression that you give by what you say here. Maybe you should work on not giving the impression that you rely a great deal on others for understanding instead of your own studies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It was a book, not a link to a website. I asked if he had read the book. Why do you feel the need to defend him? he can't speak for himself?

You provided a link to it. He made it clear that he's not interested in that. I defend him because I feel the same way as he does. We're here to talk to people like you. If we want to go to other websites or read books then we would be doing that instead of being here.

 

[RLT63]

It's the impression that you give by what you say here. Maybe you should work on not giving the impression that you rely a great deal on others for understanding instead of your own studies.

Maybe I don't care what you think about me

 

[The Light]

Thankyou.
that cannot be right. Count the passovers he attended.
His early Judean ministry lasted around 8 months....his Galilean 2 years starting 4 mths before harvest( dec)...jn4:35-43.

35 Do you not say, ‘It is still four months until the harvest comes?’ Look, I say to you, raise your eyes and look at the fields and see, they are white for harvest. 36 Already the reaper is receiving his wages and he is gathering fruit for eternal life; so that he who plants and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37 For in this case the saying is true, ‘One [person] sows and another reaps.’ 38 I sent you to reap [a crop] for which you have not worked. Others have worked and you have been privileged to reap the results of their work.”

39 Now many Samaritans from that city believed in Him and trusted Him [as Savior] because of what the woman said when she testified, “He told me all the things that I have done.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to Jesus, they asked Him to remain with them; and He stayed there two days. 41 Many more believed in Him [with a deep, abiding trust] because of His word [His personal message to them]; 42 and they told the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; for [now] we have heard Him for ourselves and know [with confident assurance] that this One is truly the Savior of [all] the world.”

43 After the two days He went on from there into Galilee.


closed just before the feast of dedication(dec)lk 9:51,


51 Now when the time was approaching for Him to be taken up [to heaven], He was determined to go to Jerusalem [to fulfill His purpose].
jn 7:2

7 After this, Jesus walked [from place to place] in Galilee, for He would not walk in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him. 2 Now the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles (Booths) was approaching. 3 So His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go to Judea, so that Your disciples [there] may also see the works that You do. 4 No one does anything in secret when he wants to be known publicly. If You [must] do these things, show Yourself openly to the world and make Yourself known!” 5 For not even His brothers believed in Him. 6 So Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come; but any time is right for you. 7 The world cannot hate you [since you are part of it], but it does hate Me because I denounce it and testify that its deeds are evil. 8 Go up to the feast yourselves. I am not going up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come.” 9 Having said these things to them, He stayed behind in Galilee.

10 But [afterward], when His brothers had gone up to the feast, He went up too, not publicly [with a caravan], but quietly [because He did not want to be noticed]. 11 So the Jews kept looking for Him at the feast and asking, “Where is He?” 12 There was a lot of whispered discussion and murmuring among the crowds about Him. Some were saying, “He is a good man”; others said, “No, on the contrary, He misleads the people [giving them false ideas].” 13 Yet no one was speaking out openly and freely about Him for fear of [the leaders of] the Jews.

14 When the feast was already half over, Jesus went up into the temple [court] and began to teach.

This period at least 1 year ...(passover Jn 6. jn 5?)

Hey Jeff. I am not following what you are saying. Can you give me a little detail? Thanks.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you claiming the Greek scholar Strong below is wrong and your right?

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No, I'm claiming that in order for you to be consistent in your logic you should believe that mystery Babylon is a literal woman as well. So, do you?

Do you deny that there are other definitions of that Greek word than "a man"? Another definition is mankind and that is how it is used in Revelation 13:18. Do you understand that there are a lot more people than just Strong who know Greek? While his resources are good, overall, he's not perfect. You should not worship him the way you do. Other Greek scholars disagree with him on this. What makes him superior to them?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe I don't care what you think about me

Good. You shouldn't. But, you clearly do because you keep responding to me. If you didn't care, you wouldn't respond.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are an immature child. To suggest that he has very little regard for the truth couldn't be further from the truth. Are you unable to discuss these things like an adult? What do your childish insults accomplish?

Your words would suggest your looking into a mirror in a glass house

 

[The Light]

You are an immature child. To suggest that he has very little regard for the truth couldn't be further from the truth. Are you unable to discuss these things like an adult? What do your childish insults accomplish?

You might want to check the facts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I bet the Pharisee's thought Jesus was a broken record, they hated his presented truth

Daniel's AOD, the Great Tribulation, Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Jesus only talked about the abomination of desolation once. Paul only wrote about the man of sin once. They felt no need to repeat themselves. Why don't you follow their example?