22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. Very good! The $64 million question is: will you ever get a direct response from robo response?

Probably not. I think he uses some kind of software that automatically responds with one of his 3 or 4 standard responses.

I think if I told him 2 + 2 = 4 he would respond by saying, "No, 3 + 3 = 6!". He doesn't seem to understand the concept of specifically addressing people's arguments.

 

[Truth7t7]

(3) Do you believe that "Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” after the second coming?

Where did you answer this question? Is your answer yes or no?

You and WPM have read the answer to the question above, I have posted this a 100 times over the past year, and you know my position on what takes place at the second coming as seen below, the earth is "Dissolved"

Will you or WPM now claim you have never read the posting below?

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No name calling whatsoever as you falsely claim

You and Israelite believe and teach Matthew 24:15 (Daniel's AOD) and Matthew 24:21 (The Great Tribulation) are fulfilled, and the literal second coming of Jesus Christ is future, this belief and teaching is "Partial Preterist" in eschatology, its not going to change, I will repeat it again and again

I believe all three items mentioned above are future, I'm "Futurist" in my eschatology, it's that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

Congratulations on extending the scope of what defines a partial preterist beyond what anyone else does. Good job.

Most people understand that partial preterists also believe that all or most of the Olivet Discourse has been fulfilled (which people like WPM and I don't) and that most of Revelation has been fulfilled (people like WPM and I don't). But, go ahead and use a different definition of "partial preterist" than everyone else does if you want, you rebel.

By using your type of logic that says believing any Bible prophecy was fulfilled in the past makes someone a partial preterist, believing that any prophecy is not yet fulfilled makes someone a futurist, which means we're all futurists. Your very general way of defining terms pretty much makes everyone partial preterists and futurists. So, congratulations on making these labels completely pointless and unhelpful.

 

[Truth7t7]

Congratulations on extending the scope of what defines a partial preterist beyond what anyone else does. Good job.

Most people understand that partial preterists also believe that all or most of the Olivet Discourse has been fulfilled (which people like WPM and I don't) and that most of Revelation has been fulfilled (people like WPM and I don't). But, go ahead and use a different definition of "partial preterist" than everyone else does if you want, you rebel.

By using your type of logic that says believing any Bible prophecy was fulfilled in the past makes someone a partial preterist, believing that any prophecy is not yet fulfilled makes someone a futurist, which means we're all futurists. Your very general way of defining terms pretty much makes everyone partial preterists and futurists. So, congratulations on making these labels completely pointless and unhelpful.

Yes you are "Partial Preterist" in your eschatology

You believe and teach Matthew 24:15 (Daniel's AOD) and Matthew 24:21 (The Great Tribulation) are fulfilled, and the literal second coming of Jesus Christ is future, this belief and teaching is "Partial Preterist" in eschatology, its not going to change, I will repeat it again and again

I believe all three items mentioned above are future, I'm "Futurist" in my eschatology, it's that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You and WPM have read the answer to the question above a 100 times over the past year, and you know my position on what takes place at the second coming as seen below, the earth is "Dissolved"

So, your answer to the question is yes or no? Why do you make this so hard? I guess your answer to the question is no?

So, what is your understanding of Jerusalem being trampled on until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled then? When do you believe the times of the Gentiles starts, how long does it last and when does it end?

How about the second question. Can you answer that?

(2) Do you believe that Israel will be "led away captive into all nations" after the second coming then?

I don't see where you answered this anywhere with a yes or no. What is your understanding of the description of Jews being "led away captive into all nations" after they are attacked by the armies that surround them? When does that occur and how long does that last? Where does Christ's second coming fit in with that?

Will you or WPM now claim you have never read the posting below?

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

There was no need for you to post all of this when you already know that we know you believe this. So, why did you do it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes you are "Partial Preterist" in your eschatology

With your very general way of defining that term, I can say that you are a partial preterist as well since you also believe that there are Bible prophecies that have been fulfilled.

You believe and teach Matthew 24:15 (Daniel's AOD) and Matthew 24:21 (The Great Tribulation) are fulfilled, and the literal second coming of Jesus Christ is future, this belief and teaching is "Partial Preterist" in eschatology, its not going to change, I will repeat it again and again

I believe all three items mentioned above are future, I'm "Futurist" in my eschatology, it's that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

Do you know that you've said this already at least 10 times before? Why do you just repeat yourself over and over again? That suggests that something is wrong with you as that is just completely unnecessary. Are you a real person or a robot? Why do you never specifically answer questions and address arguments? Is that too difficult for you to do? Are you only able to repeat yourself over and over again?

 

[Truth7t7]

Please stop avoiding these simple questions:

(1) Surely we are now in “the times of the Gentiles”? If this is the case then the tribulation in view in our discussion must assuredly be an historic event, not a future hope.

Scripture below clearly teaches that the group spoken about below will be "Eyewitnesses" of Jerusalem being surrounded, events in the heavens, events of the tribulation, and "Eyewitnesses" of the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ

"Future Events Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

(2) Do you believe that Israel will be "led away captive into all nations" after the second coming then?
(3) Do you believe that "Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” after the second coming?

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

 

[Truth7t7]

How about the second question. Can you answer that?

(2) Do you believe that Israel will be "led away captive into all nations" after the second coming then?

You Have Been Clearly Answered Below

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

 

[CadyandZoe]

So, that should be something that concerns you and something you should want to do something about.

Fine. How does it related to the topic at hand?

Animal sacrifices?

Yes, sacrifices other than sin offerings were available during the time of Jesus.

This is such a cop out. Why won't you just admit that you have no answers and can't support your view with scripture? Why is it so hard for you to be honest?

It isn't a matter of honesty. I have always been honest. To the degree that those participating in this thread are seeking answers, I give answers. To those who are seeking targets, I am not going to respond. Do you understand?

So, are you saying it was okay for people to practice the law after Christ's death and resurrection?

Of course, why wouldn't they? Jesus himself said that he did not come to abolish the law. Matthew 5:17

If so, what was Paul going on about here:

Galatians 3:You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”

Paul is critical of Galatian Christians who believed the teaching of the Judaizers. These men were teaching Gentiles that in order to gain God's favor, specifically eternal life, one must keep Moses. This is not true. Did Paul ever discourage the Jews from Keeping Moses? No. In fact, Paul himself kept Moses, since he was Hebrew.

I'm the one providing information from scripture. You are providing nothing but speculation from your own imagination.

You are providing information from scripture as a rebuttal to my point of view. All I need to do is explain why the scripture you provide does not contradict my teaching. Where you expecting me of making the foolhardy mistake of pitting one verse against another? Why would I do that?

You have demonstrated zero knowledge and understanding of scripture. You are reading it but not understanding any of it.

That could be. But I think it is also possible that your understanding also needs correction.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripture below clearly teaches that the group spoken about below will be "Eyewitnesses" of Jerusalem being surrounded, events in the heavens, events of the tribulation, and "Eyewitnesses" of the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ

"Future Events Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

How does this answer his question? He asked "Surely we are now in “the times of the Gentiles”?". So, do you believe we are no in the times of the Gentiles or not? Yes or no. If not, then what is your understanding of the times of the Gentiles?

 

[Truth7t7]

With your very general way of defining that term, I can say that you are a partial preterist as well since you also believe that there are Bible prophecies that have been fulfilled.

Do you know that you've said this already at least 10 times before? Why do you just repeat yourself over and over again? That suggests that something is wrong with you as that is just completely unnecessary. Are you a real person or a robot? Why do you never specifically answer questions and address arguments? Is that too difficult for you to do? Are you only able to repeat yourself over and over again?

I will continue to repeat the eschatology you believe and teach as your in denial of the fact, your "Partial Preterist" I'm "Futurist" it's that simple

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You Have Been Clearly Answered Below

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

When do you believe the Jews will be led away captive into all nations and for how long? When will Christ return in relation to that?

The Jews were led away captive into all nations after 70 AD, so why would Jesus not have been referring to that? They've already been led away captive into all nations, so why would that happen again?

 

[Truth7t7]

How does this answer his question? He asked "Surely we are now in “the times of the Gentiles”?". So, do you believe we are no in the times of the Gentiles or not? Yes or no. If not, then what is your understanding of the times of the Gentiles?

Scripture below clearly teaches that the group spoken about below will be "Eyewitnesses" of Jerusalem being surrounded, events in the heavens, events of the tribulation, and "Eyewitnesses" of the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ

"Future Events Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I will continue to repeat the eschatology you believe and teach as your in denial of the fact, your "Partial Preterist" I'm "Futurist" it's that simple

LOL. Okay, Mr. Robot.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripture below clearly teaches that the group spoken about below will be "Eyewitnesses" of Jerusalem being surrounded, events in the heavens, events of the tribulation, and "Eyewitnesses" of the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ

"Future Events Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Goodness sakes, you can't even answer yes or no to the question. Why? Do you believe we are in the times of the Gentiles now or not? Please just answer yes or no. You can then explain your answer after that, but I don't even know if you do believe we're in the times of the Gentiles now or not because you won't say! Come on.

 

[Truth7t7]

When do you believe the Jews will be led away captive into all nations and for how long? When will Christ return in relation to that?

The Jews were led away captive into all nations after 70 AD, so why would Jesus not have been referring to that? They've already been led away captive into all nations, so why would that happen again?

Scripture teaches that Daniel's AOD is "Future" at this time the (Little Horn)(Man Of Sin) (The Beast) will be revealed to the world proclaiming to be God Messiah to the world, this starts a future 3.5 year tribulation Revelation 13:5

Scripture in Matthew 24:29-31 teaches that Jesus returns literally and visibly immediately after the tribulation

66-70AD Jerusalem played no part in fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24, "Preterist" deception in reformed eschatology

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripture teaches that Daniel's AOD is "Future" at this time the (Little Horn)(Man Of Sin) (The Beast) will be revealed to the world proclaiming to be God Messiah to the world, this starts a 3.5 year tribulation

Scripture in Matthew 24:29-31 that Jesus returns literally and visibly immediately after the tribulation

Once again you did not specifically address my questions. Why is that? Are you incapable of doing so? Do you just have very poor reading comprehension skills? What is the problem here?

Again, when do you believe the Jews will be led away captive into all nations and for how long? You did not answer this question at all. Can you please answer it? Are you saying they will be led away captive into all nations during a future tribulation and it will take 3.5 years for that to happen? I can only guess because you don't address questions specifically. When will Christ return in relation to them being led away captive into all nations? Before that or right after that happens or what?

Do you agree that the Jews were led away captive into all nations long ago? They were. So, why would they be led captive into all nations again when that already happened? You didn't answer this question.

 

[Truth7t7]

Goodness sakes, you can't even answer yes or no to the question. Why? Do you believe we are in the times of the Gentiles now or not? Please just answer yes or no. You can then explain your answer after that, but I don't even know if you do believe we're in the times of the Gentiles now or not because you won't say! Come on.

You have been clearly answered below in "big bold read" once again

Scripture below clearly teaches that the group spoken about below will be "Eyewitnesses" of Jerusalem being surrounded, events in the heavens, events of the tribulation, and "Eyewitnesses" of the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ

"Future Events Unfulfilled"

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

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Once again you did not specifically address my questions. Why is that? Are you incapable of doing so? Do you just have very poor reading comprehension skills? What is the problem here?

Again, when do you believe the Jews will be led away captive into all nations and for how long? You did not answer this question at all. Can you please answer it? Are you saying they will be led away captive into all nations during a future tribulation and it will take 3.5 years for that to happen? I can only guess because you don't address questions specifically. When will Christ return in relation to them being led away captive into all nations? Before that or right after that happens or what?

Do you agree that the Jews were led away captive into all nations long ago? They were. So, why would they be led captive into all nations again when that already happened? You didn't answer this question.

Scripture teaches the events below are future

No I don't have the exact time during the future 3.5 year tribulation that those seen below will be led away captive

66-70AD Jerusalem played no part in fulfillment of the scripture below, they are future event's unfulfilled

Luke 21:24-28KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.