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So….are you suggesting that any Jewish believer in Christ who still observes some Jewish traditions….is…ah…corrupted, I suppose, by those things?

Hi Farouk! That may make sense logically…but…I’m unsure it can be supported by scripture. First…how do we reconcile that with Paul telling us (Gentiles) that we are Abraham’s offspring, if we are in Christ (Christ being the true ‘offspring’) and we are therefore ‘heirs of promise’? What have we...

I am trying…perhaps miserably!…to describe how things will look ‘on the ground’, so to speak, if we follow Dispensational teaching logically. I do wish I could draw some pictures here…visuals are so helpful sometimes! Here’s how I see it: The NT teaches that there is a single tree. Made up of...

I think, when we look at passages like Matt 25, we must understand them in the clear light of what other scripture teaches about justification. If we want to avoid the notion that scripture contradicts scripture, that is. The NT is quite clear that salvation…our justification before God, is not...

I appreciate you posting this. But…I’m honestly left wondering at how you view this as only Israel centric. And by that I mean…only given to those who are ethnically Jews. The ‘new covenant’ in which God ‘puts his law in their inward parts, writes it on their hearts’? Where ‘they will know me...

I think you might have mistaken me. I’m not in any way referring to traditional Jewish practices….I use ‘messianic’ Jews in the way that signifies that Jews…have accepted their Messiah, Christ. Which makes them Christians. And Christians, I think you will agree, have a part in prophecy…as in…we...

I think it comes down to context in how we understand something. Paul says in Rom 11 that ‘all Israel’ will be saved. I think many look at that and think it requires every Jew to become saved. However…if we consider it against other scriptures, I’m not sure it would leave us with that...

“NOW” is rather subjective, though, wouldn’t you say? How many Jews are becoming believers in Christ? Do we suppose that between now and Christ’s return, whenever that might be, there would be a steady ingathering of Jews who convert? Might there become more than are converting now? I don’t...

Romans 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh...

I’m…not sure I agree with that. In just a straight up ‘it’s happening’ sort of way. We see plenty of Jews who have previously rejected Christ as their Messiah become believers. And…I think a case can be made from Rom 11. I’m not absolutely dogmatic on it, but it’s how I read it. What would...

Cherry pick? Ah…hello? I posted pretty much most of Romans 11 in order to show you that it just does not mention the fact that the ingathering of Jews has to/must occur after a Rapture. You are attempting to make an argument from silence. To start with, I imagine the need for the passage to...

Romans 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the...

I understand you see it that way. But…if we’re just reading those texts, how do you KNOW one is a gathering of the church (rapture), and the other the gathering of the Jews? Does it say? Does the passages about the ‘second coming’ actually say its specifically for the Jewish people? Does the...

Again…some differences of opinion on some of the finer points of doctrine. I’d say that it’s important to make the distinction between law and faith even in the OT. The law was to highlight sin, to show the NEED for God..but it did not save. It was still faith, just as it is now, that saved a...

I don’t disagree. I don’t think anyone would. It’s clear scripture teaches that God singled out Israel for a specific purpose and ‘plan’. Part of that purpose was to bring both Christ into the world…and the believing Gentiles to faith. And I also agree that only in Christ can a person be...

Would you be able to post the verses where God makes it clear? Thanks…

Hi! I appreciate the thought, but I’m not having much luck tracking with your posts. Sometimes point-format is good, but I’m afraid that for the purpose of our conversation, I’m not really getting a sense of your argument. I’m aware of all those verses, but without some hard exegetical work...

Ah…yeah. You’re gonna need to show me some verses to back that idea up please. I’m sorry…but I didn’t follow that. At all.

I beg to differ in regards to this being “spelled out” in Romans 11. There is no “after the Rapture” set of circumstances found at all. Let’s see: Romans 11 Gentiles Grafted In [11] So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation...

Ok…putting aside your attitude, which is clearly a case of me bashing my head against a brick wall….your understanding of biblical doctrine is rather appalling. First, Paul himself calls himself an apostle “to the Gentiles”. If you want to harmonise the passage in which Paul tells us there...