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See…I think the real difference between you and I, is this ‘seed of Israel’ notion. Look again at this passage: Romans 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his...

But…even when law was still in place, before Christ, we know that Jews only remained ‘true Israel’..in other words, were justified…by faith in God’s promises. The law was always, and only, to point out ones sins and need for said Saviour. So, while the Jewish nation was called on to follow the...

I….don’t know that this is simply a matter of ‘differences in interpretation’. In order to allow your interpretation on several things, I must invalidate other direct passages. This cannot be a reasonable of righteous way to interpret scripture. Because both things cannot be true at the same...

Nice catch..! I did, indeed, mean the goats… The tension here, I think, lies not just in ‘understanding the words to mean exactly what they say’…but in our ability to harmonise this passage with other passages in order that they do not contradict one another. I assume you agree that is both...

Are you, perhaps, referring to this passage? Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in...

I’m sorry…didn’t you say - “Every human ever conceived is written in the Lamb's book of life.” in post #720 How is it then ‘obvious’ that really they are not? You are making contradicting arguments. Besides…Rev 13:8 tells us that ‘all on earth will worship it (the beast from the sea), everyone...

It’s not a strawman? Let’s see…you presumed an argument that Amil’s hold, when we don’t, and then said it was an insupportable idea. It’s that, like, the definition of a strawman argument??

Not sure what you mean by ‘remoting’. I agree that Christ will reign on earth, most likely from Jerusalem. But I reject the idea that it will be…or can be seen in scripture to be…some ‘intermediate’ age between this one, and the eternal one. I think Christ will reign, physically on earth, during...

I think you are showing your fundamental lack of understanding in what the phrase ‘elohim’ means….and perhaps what being created ‘in the image of God’ means. Humans have always been created with a physical/spiritual component. We were made that way before the fall, and we’ll have that element...

Job 38:4-7 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all...

Again, you seem to be presupposing that ‘sons of God’ is a reference to human men. I disagree. I don’t believe I am mentioning Gen 2 in order to ‘nullify’ the first. Indeed, I believe both passages speak to the creation of male and female (as specifically stated) and do not mention other...

There are…several assumptions you have made here that don’t, in my estimation, stand up under scripture. Your assumption that the ‘men were offspring of Adam and Eve’ is pure supposition on your part, and, given later references to ‘sons of God’ is hard to support. And, as for your first...

‘Eternal suffering in the lake of fire’ is often just labelled as ‘hell’….a place understood as constant eternal punishment. But if specifics are essential to you… “Unbelievers will be judged into the lake of fire, which is the second death”…

Stop using the image given by scripture itself and make something else up? Why would I do that? Wrong. Only those in Christ are found in ‘the Lamb’s book of life’. Revelation 20:12, 15 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was...

My discussion with marks about Matt 25 had nothing to do with the ‘fullness of the Gentiles’. He was suggesting…or musing…that Matt 25 could be interpreted that a person would be judged as either sheep or goat based on their works. I was simply pointing out that the rest of scripture would not...

Forgive me if my answer is a little off…I tried to find in what post I asked the above question, so I can’t really remember the context of it or your reply. I think I want to actually ask a question in return here. If the end of the ‘fullness of the Gentiles’ is AT Christ’s return, how are the...

This text does not definitively prove that God made ‘many’ male and female persons. Yes…it could…perhaps…be understood this way, but certainly it is not demanded we understand it this way. It could just as easily be speaking of Adam and Eve alone…they cover the ‘male and female’ requirements...

Perhaps we might get somewhere if I ask you HOW you actually view these passages…especially in light of the OT texts you are presenting. Romans 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of...

I have a few thoughts about this… First…a pentagram, even an inverted one, has five points. The ‘star of David’ is a six pointed star. Stephen’s reference to the ‘star of Remphan’ could have, historically, been either, because he did not say if the star was five or six pointed. My next thought...

Oh boy. :rolleyes: