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With all due respect marks, I’m not sure I can agree with these ‘truths’. There are many…many…reasons..why a person would come to ‘eliminate’ a Pre-trib Rapture as the only option left to us as they read scripture. And while reading scripture with a ‘symbolic’ eye may be one of those reasons...

So…I just watched the first episode in a documentary series just released, and I have to say I watched much of it with an open mouth. Not only did this ‘professor’ of physics call the stars ‘gods’, he then went on to cite a revised version of Genesis: “in the beginning it was dark…but it was NOT...

This is an interesting and important point. It’s true that Jesus pointed back at the old…quoted it, fulfilled it, etc. But yes…his mission and intent was firmly focused on bringing in the new, and that has weighty implications for everything he said…even when he was referring to the old, I...

….? Where have I claimed that symbolism does not have real and true meanings behind the imagery? Where have I tried to claim, prove or argue that “time does not matter to God”? I have never claimed that symbolism does not represent true things. In fact…that’s sort of the point of symbolism….as...

You know…I have to thank you. Not many replies have caused me to actually laugh out loud. But this…this is a gem! I mean…I’m not sure I’ve really ever come across such twisty reasoning before. You…DO realise that in your attempt to dismiss my point about symbolism you’ve argued that the passage...

It’s a repeated mistake to assume the bible is a scientific text. If people look to it to ‘back up’ E=mc2 in the same regard they do the cross, then trouble will likely ensue with their faith at some point. The bible is a narrative, every bit of it true. But we err when we force our scientific...

I agree. There must be a theological understanding (and indeed there is) for those who were chosen by God in the OT. We look at the example of Abraham, of course, because Paul uses him to illustrate for us. But even looking at someone like Enoch. This man was so ‘in step’ with God, that God...

Ah. Hello? Have I SAID that? Please point to the post where I said “Abraham was dwelt in by the Holy Spirit”. Thank you.

My point with these questions being: the bible may label ‘Christians’ a certain way after Pentecost. And it also may describe the Spirit coming upon us differently in the New Covenant. But it still teaches that salvation is fundamentally found IN faith. Galatians 3:5-9 Does he who supplies the...

Do you think Abraham was specifically called “a Christian”? Was he given the Holy Spirit as those were on/after Pentecost? But does the bible still tell us he was saved by faith? Would we therefore consider him “a brother”? Who else would we consider “a brother”? Matthew 12:50 For whoever does...

It’s possible some of Matt 24 (and corresponding passages in Mark and Luke) are aimed solely at the Jews…there are certainly some references that stand out in that regard “your people, your city”…that sort of thing. One might argue that fulfilment was seen in 70AD…and I’m inclined to think...

Sure, I’d agree that Jesus’ words “it is finished” could be a reference back to Daniel 24 and the prophecy that he will “finish the transgression, put an end to sin and to atone for iniquity”. Except…both Daniel 9:24 and “it is finished” are about Christ and HIS work in redemption and...

Well…I suppose that’s how we each end where we do, as baffling as it may be to each other. You seem to see Rev 20 as the guidepost that must bend all other scripture into an understanding of how times and sequences fit….and I see 1 Cor 15 as being the more obvious, straightforward text in that...

Plainly? Revelation is many things, plain is not one of them. And there are several, valid, I believe, reasons for viewing the 1000 years mentioned in Chapter 20 to be viewed with caution when measuring it against a ‘separate age’. The first is obvious and I’ve mentioned it before; the rest of...

yeah….you see. I have a problem with that. Because, while I accept that some OT prophecy, about Christ, for example, was indeed “a little here, a little there”, I have a bit of a hard time believing that a passage that begins with “i make a new heavens and a new earth” and then goes on to talk...

It’s obvious there has been a lot of folks who have missed the mark. All you need do is pursue this site to get a little look-see at some fringe ideas out there…and that’s not even touching upon orthodox beliefs, of which there are aplenty as well. The problem sidling up to you, however, is the...

Yes, I agree…did I not explain that well enough?

Oh. Are. You. Entirely. Serious? Please. Let me allay your fears. I was not calling you ‘good’, as in, using the word because I was attempting to explain how I viewed your characteristic. Which was clearly the case when the man called Christ ‘good teacher’. I was merely using the phrase as one...

Ah. BACK in. BACK…clearly implies that they are currently NOT in. Which would mean they are NOT currently children of God. :rolleyes:

Prophecies like what? Like this? Isaiah 65:19-20 I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress. No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for...