You think the Son is created = he is not God.the one who destroyed the people is the Holy Spirit, thanks for the conformation, (Hebrews 3:7 "Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Hebrews 3:8 "Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness".
not only did the Holy Spirit, Jesus save the people from egypt then, he has saved us now,
Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you".
behold "your" God will come? who is that dave ... the same one in Jude?.... lol.
he will come and "SAVE" you. Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord"....
PICJAG.
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sorry about not answering ealier, was a little busy, but ... U Say, and what I tell you about thinking ...
point out where I said that the Son is "created" ... well I'll be waiting.
PICJAG.
and while I'm waiting on your answer, what's your comments on what we posted about the Son being "ETERNAL BEGOTTEN"... (smile) ... lol, lol, lol.
PICJAG.
If the Son had a beginning in time, at the incarnation, he is created.sorry about not answering ealier, was a little busy, but ... U Say, and what I tell you about thinking ...
point out where I said that the Son is "created" ... well I'll be waiting.
PICJAG.
and while I'm waiting on your answer, what's your comments on what we posted about the Son being "ETERNAL BEGOTTEN"... (smile) ... lol, lol, lol.
PICJAG.
ERROR, the Son of God had a beginning at Mary's womb, not the Son of Man....
that's basic bible study..... lol. we have been telling you that over and over, but the blind is in the ditch and cannot see. Oh well... the son of God is the Flesh, NATURAL flesh, which enclosed the spirit, the Son of man, which is GIVEN. scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". you need to make a note of this. the son of God is Born.Now, the Son of man. the Son of Man is the "Diversified" shared/spirit which is not "BORN", but is Given. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
it is the son of Man who came, not Born, Matthew 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many". and, Matthew 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". who saves?
the SAVIOUR, who came to SAVE. Isaiah 49:26 "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob".
the Saviour and the Redeemer?. ......
is this not obvious? let's see one hand Redeemer, Oh like in the KINSMAN Redeemer who was made ... Flesh (John 1:14). not like the creed that lied and said the Christ was NOT made... lol. only the spirit can be incarnated. now one more, the Son of man is "Lord", say what? yes the Son of man is "Lord" is not the Father the "Lord" of heaven? yes, but let's see the son of man as "Lord". Matthew 12:8 "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day".
..... Oh my, Oh dear.... yea... well it seems that one need some basic bible study to understand who the son of Man and the Son of God is, (see Isaiah 9:6a).
PICJAG.
God is eternal. If the Son had a beginning in time, he is not God.ERROR, the Son of God had a beginning at Mary's womb, not the Son of Man....
Now, the Son of man. the Son of Man is the "Diversified" shared/spirit which is not "BORN", but is Given. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
it is the son of Man who came, not Born, Matthew 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many". and, Matthew 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". who saves?
the SAVIOUR, who came to SAVE. Isaiah 49:26 "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob".
the Saviour and the Redeemer?. ......
now one more, the Son of man is "Lord", say what? yes the Son of man is "Lord" is not the Father the "Lord" of heaven? yes, but let's see the son of man as "Lord". Matthew 12:8 "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day".
well it seems that one need some basic bible study to understand who the son of Man and the Son of God is, (see Isaiah 9:6a).
PICJAG.
GINOLJC, to all.
you keep on saying if, if, if, "the son had a beginning in time, he is not God". well the scriptures are true, "men love darkness more that light"
Oh well, let the dark take care of the dark...... (smile)... lol. now to our Last hard question.
#5. "JESUS,” the another Comforter, the “Holy Spirit".
this is the center con noi of "Diversified Oneness".
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
In verse 16 the word “Another” tells it all. This is what “Diversified Oneness” is all about, “the another” of God shared in flesh.
Here, the word “another” is the Greek term, G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, G243 ἄλλος express a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort”. the SAME Sort?. yes the SAME PERSON. Hold it, if Jesus is the “ANOTHER” comforter to come, (according verse 18), when was Jesus the comforter now, and before? Good question, the answer, when he first “appeared” in or was incarnated in flesh. Can we back this up with scripture? Yes. Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him”.
This word “consolation” is the Greek word, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
Taking note of definition #1 & 2 we get our answer. Help, and Counsel. Notice, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis is a NOUN, referencing a person. So, someone who give “help” is a HELPER, like in the Holy Ghost who is the Helper. And someone who gives counsel is a Counsellor, or better know as an advocate, like in the Holy Ghost, (1John 2:1), who is the Lord Jesus. (that's clear as a bell).
So the Lord Jesus in flesh is the "Consolation"/“Comforter" with them right now and there. But “another”, who is the same person according to G243 allos, will come to them, but in Spirit form, Glorified, without flesh, without bone, and without blood, the Holy Spirit. God in us. hence the scripture, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”. clearly the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Can we prove this even futher? Yes.
after these verses, in the same chapter just a few verses later, he, Lord Jesus, said these words. John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Verse 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him”. (the Lord Jesus said that he will “manifest himself”. (STOP and think people, and listen to what our Lord Just said), but how is he manifesting himself to them, his disciple?. this is the same question Judas asked, not Iscariot, listen, John 14:22" Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. this is the key question in understanding our Lord's return as the COMFORTER. this is another eureka moment in history, as with Moses asking God what is his name on the mountain. the Lord Jesus said that he will manifest himself to them. here is how he manifested himself to them, in (POWER, by the SPIRITUAL GIFTS). Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”. this is the manifestation that Judas asked about in John 14, and the Lord himself said that he would manifest himself to them. notice, Judas asked, “Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. again, notice Judas said, “unto us (them, the disciples)". here’s how the Lord Jesus manifested himself to his disciples and not the world. 1 Corinthians 12:7" But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal”. there’s that manifestation that Judas asked about, and what the Lord said that he would do? “manifest” himself. the full list of “GIFTS” read as follows, see 1 Corinthians 12:8-11. and this "Manifestation" happen on the day of Pentecost to them just as the Lord Jesus said, "I WILL COME TO YOU". my God how hard it this to understand.
So conclusion: it is the Spirit who the Lord Jesus is that “manifested” himself in the Spiritual Gifts on Pentecost.
PICJAG.
PS, not one trinitarian took a stab at any of the questions.
If, If, IF, you don't know? lol, the Son of God had a beginning, not the Son of Man. we'll leave you in the dark, until you can come to the light.
you keep on saying if, if, if, "the son had a beginning in time, he is not God". well the scriptures are true, "men love darkness more that light"Oh well, let the dark take care of the dark...... (smile)... lol. now to our Last hard question.
#5. "JESUS,” the another Comforter, the “Holy Spirit".
this is the center con noi of "Diversified Oneness".
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
In verse 16 the word “Another” tells it all. This is what “Diversified Oneness” is all about, “the another” of God shared in flesh.
Here, the word “another” is the Greek term, G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, G243 ἄλλος express a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort”. the SAME Sort?. yes the SAME PERSON. Hold it, if Jesus is the “ANOTHER” comforter to come, (according verse 18), when was Jesus the comforter now, and before? Good question, the answer, when he first “appeared” in or was incarnated in flesh. Can we back this up with scripture? Yes. Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him”.
This word “consolation” is the Greek word, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
Taking note of definition #1 & 2 we get our answer. Help, and Counsel. Notice, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis is a NOUN, referencing a person. So, someone who give “help” is a HELPER, like in the Holy Ghost who is the Helper. And someone who gives counsel is a Counsellor, or better know as an advocate, like in the Holy Ghost, (1John 2:1), who is the Lord Jesus. (that's clear as a bell).
So the Lord Jesus in flesh is the "Consolation"/“Comforter" with them right now and there. But “another”, who is the same person according to G243 allos, will come to them, but in Spirit form, Glorified, without flesh, without bone, and without blood, the Holy Spirit. God in us. hence the scripture, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”. clearly the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Can we prove this even futher? Yes.
after these verses, in the same chapter just a few verses later, he, Lord Jesus, said these words. John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Verse 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him”. (the Lord Jesus said that he will “manifest himself”. (STOP and think people, and listen to what our Lord Just said), but how is he manifesting himself to them, his disciple?. this is the same question Judas asked, not Iscariot, listen, John 14:22" Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. this is the key question in understanding our Lord's return as the COMFORTER. this is another eureka moment in history, as with Moses asking God what is his name on the mountain. the Lord Jesus said that he will manifest himself to them. here is how he manifested himself to them, in (POWER, by the SPIRITUAL GIFTS). Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”. this is the manifestation that Judas asked about in John 14, and the Lord himself said that he would manifest himself to them. notice, Judas asked, “Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. again, notice Judas said, “unto us (them, the disciples)". here’s how the Lord Jesus manifested himself to his disciples and not the world. 1 Corinthians 12:7" But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal”. there’s that manifestation that Judas asked about, and what the Lord said that he would do? “manifest” himself. the full list of “GIFTS” read as follows, see 1 Corinthians 12:8-11. and this "Manifestation" happen on the day of Pentecost to them just as the Lord Jesus said, "I WILL COME TO YOU". my God how hard it this to understand.
So conclusion: it is the Spirit who the Lord Jesus is that “manifested” himself in the Spiritual Gifts on Pentecost.
PICJAG.
PS, not one trinitarian took a stab at any of the questions.
We've been over this before. You don't understand enough to ask the right questions. They are loaded based on your misunderstanding. It's this simple, if the Son came into being in time, at the incarnation, he is not God because God has no beginning. Plus God does not change. If he does, he is not eternal but temporal.GINOLJC, to all.
If, If, IF, you don't know? lol, the Son of God had a beginning, not the Son of Man. we'll leave you in the dark, until you can come to the light.
Oh well, let the dark take care of the dark...... (smile)... lol. now to our Last hard question.
#5. "JESUS,” the another Comforter, the “Holy Spirit".
this is the center con noi of "Diversified Oneness".
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
In verse 16 the word “Another” tells it all. This is what “Diversified Oneness” is all about, “the another” of God shared in flesh.
Here, the word “another” is the Greek term, G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los). according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, G243 ἄλλος express a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort”. the SAME Sort?. yes the SAME PERSON. Hold it, if Jesus is the “ANOTHER” comforter to come, (according verse 18), when was Jesus the comforter now, and before? Good question, the answer, when he first “appeared” in or was incarnated in flesh. Can we back this up with scripture? Yes. Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him”.
This word “consolation” is the Greek word, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
Taking note of definition #1 & 2 we get our answer. Help, and Counsel. Notice, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis is a NOUN, referencing a person. So, someone who give “help” is a HELPER, like in the Holy Ghost who is the Helper. And someone who gives counsel is a Counsellor, or better know as an advocate, like in the Holy Ghost, (1John 2:1), who is the Lord Jesus. (that's clear as a bell).
So the Lord Jesus in flesh is the "Consolation"/“Comforter" with them right now and there. But “another”, who is the same person according to G243 allos, will come to them, but in Spirit form, Glorified, without flesh, without bone, and without blood, the Holy Spirit. God in us. hence the scripture, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”. clearly the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Can we prove this even futher? Yes.
after these verses, in the same chapter just a few verses later, he, Lord Jesus, said these words. John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Verse 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him”. (the Lord Jesus said that he will “manifest himself”. (STOP and think people, and listen to what our Lord Just said), but how is he manifesting himself to them, his disciple?. this is the same question Judas asked, not Iscariot, listen, John 14:22" Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. this is the key question in understanding our Lord's return as the COMFORTER. this is another eureka moment in history, as with Moses asking God what is his name on the mountain. the Lord Jesus said that he will manifest himself to them. here is how he manifested himself to them, in (POWER, by the SPIRITUAL GIFTS). Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”. this is the manifestation that Judas asked about in John 14, and the Lord himself said that he would manifest himself to them. notice, Judas asked, “Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. again, notice Judas said, “unto us (them, the disciples)". here’s how the Lord Jesus manifested himself to his disciples and not the world. 1 Corinthians 12:7" But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal”. there’s that manifestation that Judas asked about, and what the Lord said that he would do? “manifest” himself. the full list of “GIFTS” read as follows, see 1 Corinthians 12:8-11. and this "Manifestation" happen on the day of Pentecost to them just as the Lord Jesus said, "I WILL COME TO YOU". my God how hard it this to understand.
So conclusion: it is the Spirit who the Lord Jesus is that “manifested” himself in the Spiritual Gifts on Pentecost.
PICJAG.
PS, not one trinitarian took a stab at any of the questions.
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ERROR, ERROR, as you said we been over this before, read my lips, not the Son of man, but the "The son of God was Born".. my, my, my, ..
that flesh and bone and blood. not the son of man, who is the spirit, the Diversity of God.... lol. see you made for yoursels a snar, and you stumble at the Stone. Isaiah 8:14 "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem".see dave you're still in earthly Jerusalem, and at the same time still bound in Egypt.....
..lol.now go and as the scriptures "howl", James 5:1.
one question dave, do you know the difference between the son of God and the Son of Man? from your statements I'm betting you don't.
let's see, let's make it easy to "see". who is coming back at the end in the clouds? the Son of Man or the Son of God....
your answer pleasePICJAG.
You make the Son of God created. God has no beginning or end. Therefore you deny Christ is God and show evidence of the having the spirit of Antichrist. Really serious stuff......ERROR, ERROR, as you said we been over this before, read my lips, not the Son of man, but the "The son of God was Born".. my, my, my, ..
see dave you're still in earthly Jerusalem, and at the same time still bound in Egypt.....
now go and as the scriptures "howl", James 5:1.
one question dave, do you know the difference between the son of God and the Son of Man? from your statements I'm betting you don't.
let's see, let's make it easy to "see". who is coming back at the end in the clouds? the Son of Man or the Son of God....
PICJAG.
first thank s for the reply, second, I didn't know someone can be that imbecilicus in the word of God. listen, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
the son of God is "BORN". so are you saying God is "BORN?"
now the word of God said the Son of God is "BORN". not 101G... lol, lol. so don't argue with 101G, argue with yourself....
now, we asked you, "who is coming back at the end in the clouds? the Son of Man or the Son of God?". I guess we can take that as a you cain't answer that either. ..........
PICJAG.
PS we need to post a study on the "Son of Man, and the Son of God?"....
The eternal Son of God spoke through the Son of man. God is the Spirit that replaced the human spirit in Jesus the man. But Jesus the man had a human soul and human body without sin. We are body, soul, and spirit. Jesus is God, human soul and human body.first thank s for the reply, second, I didn't know someone can be that imbecilicus in the word of God. listen, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
the son of God is "BORN". so are you saying God is "BORN?"
now the word of God said the Son of God is "BORN". not 101G... lol, lol. so don't argue with 101G, argue with yourself....
now, we asked you, "who is coming back at the end in the clouds? the Son of Man or the Son of God?". I guess we can take that as a you cain't answer that either. ..........
PICJAG.
PS we need to post a study on the "Son of Man, and the Son of God?"....
My, my, my, "The eternal Son of God spoke through the Son of man". what nonesense. you have no clue what the son of God is. the son of God is FLESH, the body. that body of flesh cannot do nothing without the son of Man in it, the spirit. you have it the other way around... lol. my, my, my, Oh well you have to deal with people where they are at.
then this, "God is the Spirit that replaced the human spirit in Jesus the man". Replaced?. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". if he's equal with God, where is the replacement, post that scripture please.
then this, "But Jesus the man had a human soul and human body without sin". Human soul", he have a soul, so do God the Spirit, but post the scripture that states the soul of Jesus was HUMAN? scripture please.
then this, "Jesus is God, human soul and human body". Human soul? again scripture for that. as God, notice you said, "God", human body? the body God has now is not human, (yes, flesh and bone, but not now biologically human). and if Jesus have a human body, give scripture of his biological Father, and biological mother. ....
:PICJAG.
Jun2u
Well-Known Member
Many people have no clue or idea whatsoever what they read in Philippians 2:6-8 and thereby make false statements/assumptions. Philip, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit could never have made any mistakes when he penned Philippians 2. The crux of the gospel of the “diversified oneness” belief system rely on the basis of these verses.
The key words to the mystery of these said verses are “humbled” and “took or took upon.” The word humble means:
1) to make low, bring low
2) to level, reduce to a plain
3) metaph, to bring to a humble condition...etc., and so forth.
The understanding of Philippians 2 therefore should be thus:
a) Jesus, as God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (verse 6).
b) Jesus took upon Himself the form in the likeness of men (verse 7).
c) Jesus, as man humbled Himself by stripping His glory which He had with the Father (verse 7)
All the above is summed up in this verse:
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Like you said, too easy and too simple.
To God Be The Glory
First thanks for the Reply, second,
ok Jun2u, what's the "Form" of God?. the Nature of God, Spirit. but what kind of nature? a "shared" one ... BINGO. now, knowing that, he now "HUMBLE" himself, .. but how & why? as you said, b) Jesus took upon Himself the form in the likeness of men (verse 7). and by taking upon himself that form what did he do? as you said, c) Jesus, as man humbled Himself by stripping His glory verse 7. only one correction here, not as a man he humbled himself, he did that while he was in the FORM of God to be humble. as a man he could not do that..... ;)
see Jun2u, "BEFORE" he could "HUMBLE" himself, he had to G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or as you said "stripping His glory" that's a crude description, but if that works for you... :) he had to will himself of no reputation first, so that he being found in the fashion of a man then he could "HUMBLE" himself.
so before he HUMBLED himself the writter of Philippians.... Paul, and not Philip, identified his NATURE before he HUMBLED himself. as said, "too easy".
so Philippians 2:6 do support "diversified Oneness". yes, and true, when the apostle Paul as you said, "under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit could never have made any mistakes when he penned Philippians 2". how correct, and true.... again as said, TOO EASY.
PS, don't worry we have many more scriptures OT as well as NT that attest to the truth of the "diversity" of God in flesh as the another of himself. so sleep safe in knowing that "Diversified Oneness" is not based on only one scripture, but many.... amen.
PICJAG.
O yea... as said, too easy.
but if you think I was in ERROR, John 1:3 when reconciled with Isaiah 44:24 will prove out Philippians 2:6 - 8. .......
Should be?, should be? according to who? U? I don't believe so. why did he thought or consider himself "equal" with God? never mind. but why didn't you start with the begining of the verse, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
ok Jun2u, what's the "Form" of God?. the Nature of God, Spirit. but what kind of nature? a "shared" one ... BINGO. now, knowing that, he now "HUMBLE" himself, .. but how & why? as you said, b) Jesus took upon Himself the form in the likeness of men (verse 7). and by taking upon himself that form what did he do? as you said, c) Jesus, as man humbled Himself by stripping His glory verse 7. only one correction here, not as a man he humbled himself, he did that while he was in the FORM of God to be humble. as a man he could not do that..... ;)
see Jun2u, "BEFORE" he could "HUMBLE" himself, he had to G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or as you said "stripping His glory" that's a crude description, but if that works for you... :) he had to will himself of no reputation first, so that he being found in the fashion of a man then he could "HUMBLE" himself.
so before he HUMBLED himself the writter of Philippians.... Paul, and not Philip, identified his NATURE before he HUMBLED himself. as said, "too easy".
so Philippians 2:6 do support "diversified Oneness". yes, and true, when the apostle Paul as you said, "under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit could never have made any mistakes when he penned Philippians 2". how correct, and true....
again as said, TOO EASY. PS, don't worry we have many more scriptures OT as well as NT that attest to the truth of the "diversity" of God in flesh as the another of himself. so sleep safe in knowing that "Diversified Oneness" is not based on only one scripture, but many.... amen.
PICJAG.
O yea... as said, too easy.
but if you think I was in ERROR, John 1:3 when reconciled with Isaiah 44:24 will prove out Philippians 2:6 - 8. .......
If you familiarize yourself with the bible, apart from denominational blinders it teaches the Father begets the Son eternally, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from them. This is before creation apart from time. God has no beginning or end.My, my, my, "The eternal Son of God spoke through the Son of man". what nonesense. you have no clue what the son of God is. the son of God is FLESH, the body. that body of flesh cannot do nothing without the son of Man in it, the spirit. you have it the other way around... lol. my, my, my, Oh well you have to deal with people where they are at.
then this, "God is the Spirit that replaced the human spirit in Jesus the man". Replaced?. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". if he's equal with God, where is the replacement, post that scripture please.
then this, "But Jesus the man had a human soul and human body without sin". Human soul", he have a soul, so do God the Spirit, but post the scripture that states the soul of Jesus was HUMAN? scripture please.
then this, "Jesus is God, human soul and human body". Human soul? again scripture for that. as God, notice you said, "God", human body? the body God has now is not human, (yes, flesh and bone, but not now biologically human). and if Jesus have a human body, give scripture of his biological Father, and biological mother. ....
PICJAG.
God took on human flesh in the incarnation becoming the Son of man. But it was the eternal Son of God speaking through him. Even though all of God is present in the Man Christ.
We are body, soul, and spirit according to Paul. The man Jesus is sinless body, soul, and God. The man Jesus did not have a human spirit. God is his Spirit.
GINOLJC to All,
God did take on flesh but he never became the son of man by taking on that flesh.
must we sing it to you?, you howl, or hoot, (smile)... lol, "God took on human flesh in the incarnation becoming the Son of man". ERROR, ERROR, that flesh he took on is called the son of God. let's sing it to U again, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is BORN, Flesh. that flesh had a begining... where?...... in Mary's womb...... lol, boy how simple this is.
Son of man is "spirit", the "Diversity" of God, he has never been in mary's womb. he is before his flesh, and Mary too.... this is basic bible study. man Oh man. now dave this is the last time we will tell you this, if you perfer, we will leave you in the wilderness for 40 years....
Now, in Plain English, Son of God is "BORN" ... Flesh and bones.
Son of Man is "NOT BORN" .... "spirit" ... no flesh, no bones... got it?
Son of God is simiply the idenity of "What" the entity is callled, not "WHO" the entity is.
Son of man is the idenity of "WHO" the entity is called, not "What" the entity is....... lol.
now, dave what you did, by saying "God" is born, that Mary is God mother, biologically. no human woman can birth a spirit, only flesh and bone can she birth, which means that Mary was only a surrogate mother, not his biological mother. the Son of man has no MOTHER nor FATHER. he has no begining, nor end... lol. only God give that flesh a spirit, which is the ONLY WAY FOR THE SON OF GOD TO SPEAK...LOL. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein".
sorry ladies, only God can give "spirits" just as Isaiah 9:6a states "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given". the Son is NEVER born, but "GIVEN".
so you error when you say, "becoming the Son of man", fairy tale, the Son of man is never become anything, because he has no begining, nor any end......... lol..lol...lol
what you don't know U just don't know... read your bible, put those false letter down from those church fathers of yours. read the original letters from the TRUE church fathers, those who by the Holy Spirit wrote those letters to us, BIBLE.
PICJAG.
LOL, LOL, lol, ever learning but never able to come to the "TRUTH".
God did take on flesh but he never became the son of man by taking on that flesh.
must we sing it to you?, you howl, or hoot, (smile)... lol, "God took on human flesh in the incarnation becoming the Son of man". ERROR, ERROR, that flesh he took on is called the son of God. let's sing it to U again, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is BORN, Flesh. that flesh had a begining... where?...... in Mary's womb...... lol, boy how simple this is.
Son of man is "spirit", the "Diversity" of God, he has never been in mary's womb. he is before his flesh, and Mary too....
this is basic bible study. man Oh man. now dave this is the last time we will tell you this, if you perfer, we will leave you in the wilderness for 40 years.... Now, in Plain English, Son of God is "BORN" ... Flesh and bones.
Son of Man is "NOT BORN" .... "spirit" ... no flesh, no bones... got it?
Son of God is simiply the idenity of "What" the entity is callled, not "WHO" the entity is.
Son of man is the idenity of "WHO" the entity is called, not "What" the entity is....... lol.
now, dave what you did, by saying "God" is born, that Mary is God mother, biologically. no human woman can birth a spirit, only flesh and bone can she birth, which means that Mary was only a surrogate mother, not his biological mother. the Son of man has no MOTHER nor FATHER. he has no begining, nor end... lol. only God give that flesh a spirit, which is the ONLY WAY FOR THE SON OF GOD TO SPEAK...LOL. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein".
sorry ladies, only God can give "spirits" just as Isaiah 9:6a states "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given". the Son is NEVER born, but "GIVEN".
so you error when you say, "becoming the Son of man", fairy tale, the Son of man is never become anything, because he has no begining, nor any end......... lol..lol...lol
what you don't know U just don't know... read your bible, put those false letter down from those church fathers of yours. read the original letters from the TRUE church fathers, those who by the Holy Spirit wrote those letters to us, BIBLE.
PICJAG.
You are confusing the eternal Son with the incarnate Son. You make Him created which denies his divinity. The Eternal Son along with the Father and Holy Spirit took on sinless human flesh (body) and soul. But the person is God, with the eternal Son speaking as the Son of man.GINOLJC to All,
LOL, LOL, lol, ever learning but never able to come to the "TRUTH".
God did take on flesh but he never became the son of man by taking on that flesh.
must we sing it to you?, you howl, or hoot, (smile)... lol, "God took on human flesh in the incarnation becoming the Son of man". ERROR, ERROR, that flesh he took on is called the son of God. let's sing it to U again, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is BORN, Flesh. that flesh had a begining... where?...... in Mary's womb...... lol, boy how simple this is.
Son of man is "spirit", the "Diversity" of God, he has never been in mary's womb. he is before his flesh, and Mary too....
Now, in Plain English, Son of God is "BORN" ... Flesh and bones.
Son of Man is "NOT BORN" .... "spirit" ... no flesh, no bones... got it?
Son of God is simiply the idenity of "What" the entity is callled, not "WHO" the entity is.
Son of man is the idenity of "WHO" the entity is called, not "What" the entity is....... lol.
now, dave what you did, by saying "God" is born, that Mary is God mother, biologically. no human woman can birth a spirit, only flesh and bone can she birth, which means that Mary was only a surrogate mother, not his biological mother. the Son of man has no MOTHER nor FATHER. he has no begining, nor end... lol. only God give that flesh a spirit, which is the ONLY WAY FOR THE SON OF GOD TO SPEAK...LOL. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein".
sorry ladies, only God can give "spirits" just as Isaiah 9:6a states "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given". the Son is NEVER born, but "GIVEN".
so you error when you say, "becoming the Son of man", fairy tale, the Son of man is never become anything, because he has no begining, nor any end......... lol..lol...lol
what you don't know U just don't know... read your bible, put those false letter down from those church fathers of yours. read the original letters from the TRUE church fathers, those who by the Holy Spirit wrote those letters to us, BIBLE.
PICJAG.
ERROR, the one whom you ignorantly call the "Son" is the Son of Man. The Son is not A person, but the Title of the Son of Man in flesh, that flesh is called the son of God, lol...
and as for speaking, who is Speaking.. listen. Revelation 2:18 "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass". and at the END of theis LETTER ... Revelation 2:29 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches".
now, who's speaking, or as U say is talking.. is it the Son of God speaking or the Spirit ... (smile) ..lol.
who is speaking dave?
PICJAG.
You are claiming the Son did not exist until the incarnation. But he is eternal and by him all things were created.
so I can take that as you cannot say who was speaking ...... LOL
but we will show you who is speaking, LOOK Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Who searcheth the reins and hearts? Let’s check the record, Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings”.
one more, Psalms 7:9 "Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins".
now dave the leg work is done for you, so who was speaking? was it the the Son here in revelation, or the Father of Jeremiah 17:10? which one .....
since you said the "son" is not the "Father" and vice versa. who was speaking the one whom U calls the "Father" or the one whom U calls the "Son". there's that "call"again, Luke 1:35, "therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.who was it dave that was speaking?. lol...
you ERROR always, don't you.... lol.
PICJAG
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