THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

[covenantee]

Have you read my posts that I ever denied that Christ died physically?

Have you ever confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? 1 John 2:22

Let's see it.

Verbatim.

"I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh".

Copy/paste it and post it.

If you believe it.

 

[Davy]

In Daniel 9:27, who is the "he" ?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If you'd read my posts you'd know what I said who that "he" of Dan.9:27 is.

The "he" of Dan.9:27 is the "prince" back at the Dan.9:26 verse, which is NOT Messiah.

Do you not have eyes?
Can you not see the following difference?

Dan.9:25 - "Messiah the Prince" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "prince" - NOT Christ


Jesus Christ did NOT... destroy the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary, nor place the "abomination of desolation that maketh desolate" of Daniel 11:31 with an army. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed AFTER... Christ's 1st coming, and it was done by the Roman general Titus and his army in 70 A.D.

So DUH... those who started the falsehood that Christ destroyed Jerusalem and the temple simply are not using their brain.

 

[Douggg]

If you'd read my posts you'd know what I said who that "he" of Dan.9:27 is.

The "he" of Dan.9:27 is the "prince" back at the Dan.9:26 verse, which is NOT Messiah.

Do you not have eyes?
Can you not see the following difference?

Dan.9:25 - "Messiah the Prince" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "prince" - NOT Christ


Jesus Christ did NOT... destroy the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary, nor place the "abomination of desolation that maketh desolate" of Daniel 11:31 with an army. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed AFTER... Christ's 1st coming, and it was done by the Roman general Titus and his army in 70 A.D.

So DUH... those who started the falsehood that Christ destroyed Jerusalem and the temple simply are not using their brain.

Are you claiming that Daniel 9:27 has already been fulfilled by Titus ?

 

[Davy]

Are you claiming that Daniel 9:27 has already been fulfilled by Titus ?

No, and where did you come up with that idea?

Instead of trying to create consternation against the Daniel 9 Scripture using a literary pry-bar, why don't you read that Scripture simply as written, instead of trying to dance around it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thankfully the Judaean Christians were infinitely smarter than you.

Do you literally physically exist?

Evidently not.

He is apparently a figment of his own imagination like the physical temple buildings that stood in Jerusalem until 70 AD. I guess he never feels any physical pain and never gets physically sick. What a life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah, which is what I had said.



No, you show you don't know how to follow simple English grammar, nor how God's Word uses 'types'.

The Daniel 9:26 phrase "... the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary;" must be kept together as one subject.

You cannot just leave out that "shall destroy the city and sanctuary" connected with that "people of the prince that shall come." You can't just chop it up like you are doing. That means we must... ask, WHEN was that city and sanctuary destroyed, and by whom? Simple, it was by the Roman army of general Titus in 70 A.D. That is when the 2nd temple was destroyed, and the city of Jerusalem destroyed.

Furthermore, that Hebrew word nagid for "prince" does not include the word "Messiah" like the Daniel 9:25 verse does. This means the Daniel 9:26 "prince" MUST be understood to mean a ruler, or commander, which nagid (OT:5057) can mean. It does NOT mean Christ.

You are being dishonest here by acting as if "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25 is translated from one word, nagid, but it is not. It is translated from the words māšîaḥ (Messiah) and nagid (prince).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope. You are saying things because you are in denial of the Truth.



Assumption is the mother of all errors. I never said that everything in Scripture is supposed to be understood spiritually. Grow up.


What do you think, "Spiritual" Israelite? LOL. Have you read my posts that I ever denied that Christ died physically? Again, grow up.

Don't blame me that you come across as if you don't think anything is physical. You need to grow up and stop acting as if the physical destruction of the temple buildings never happened in 70 AD and stop acting as if the Bible would never prophesy about that.

Anyone who denies that Satan is an actual living individual spirit being, as you do, is capable of believing almost anything.

 

[Douggg]

No, and where did you come up with that idea?

From your post #69. You wrote.... "Thus we are not... to confuse that word nagid (ruler) which is used later in the next Dan.9:26 verse as "prince" which is about the Roman ruler general Titus whose army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D."

Because you indicated that Titus is the prince that shall come and was the "he" in Daniel 9:27 who confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Davy, you are sometimes very confusing in your communications. I think you can do better.

Instead of trying to create consternation against the Daniel 9 Scripture using a literary pry-bar, why don't you read that Scripture simply as written, instead of trying to dance around it?

Davy, that is meaningless rhetoric. Instead, clarify who you think will confirm the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You need to grow up and stop acting as if the physical destruction of the temple buildings never happened in 70 AD

The destruction of the UNHOLY temple buildings since the Cross indeed occurred in 70 AD...

and stop acting as if the Bible would never prophesy about that.

...and the Word of God did NOT prophesy about 70AD. You got the wrong temple, period.

Colossians 2:16-17

• "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
• Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

That's what a type is. Types are shadows, things that portray a certain pattern or image of things that are to come. Moses the type of Christ, the Holy City a type of the people of God, etc. Therefore the physical Temple and City in AD 70 couldn't have been a type any more than Moses could have been an "additional type in AD 70." Because the type was already fulfilled in the coming of the true, that the type foreshadowed at the Cross. No matter how hard you try, you cannot "Biblically" make AD 70 into something prophesied, a type or a rebirth of anything.

Moreover, we were called or empowered at Pentecost to look at the newly reborn visible kingdom of God, and it has nothing to do with AD 70!! All this God explained in books like Romans. The shadows (Holy city, Holy Temple, Animal Sacrifices) were gone, right at the Cross, no one had to wait for AD 70 to supposedly see this historical war in order to know Israel had fallen. The revealing of the shadows were by the Apostles, and are manifested to us by the scriptures they penned. Not by Titus attacking Israel 37 years later. For example:

Hebrews 9:9-15

• "Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
• But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
• Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
• For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
• How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
• And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

The blood of goats, the Temple buildings, etc., was merely a shadow of the true, NOT THE TRUE ITSELF! In those verses, God clearly delineated in words easy to understand what the physical fall of buildings in AD 70 couldn't reveal in a million years. Namely, that the types were fulfilled in Christ, and that Old Testament Israel had come under judgment and had already fallen, wherein a New Testament Congregation was established on greater promises than of building (or destroying) physical cities, Temples or Sacrifices. So we see clearly, the need for AD 70 to show anything in a worldly earthly fashion is a figment of your imagination, and not something written upon the pages of Holy writ. For example, there is no such need!

For your "information," those Christ hating Jews (as you call them) were God's covenant people, the visible representation of the kingdom of God upon earth! You act as if they weren't. As has already been told you, from scripture, the "Kingdom" was taken from them by Christ's cross. Before that, they were the Kingdom representation, the builders of the temple. Get that straight first, and then you just might be able to see what is true and what is false concerning the covenant congregation of God, and how they can be as stones poured out in the streets of Zion. As God Himself signified in lamentations. And you might both read the books, and look up the "definition of lamentations" also. It might help you understand.

Lamentations 4:1-2

• "How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! The stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.
• The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!"

Selah!

Anyone who denies that Satan is an actual living individual spirit being, as you do, is capable of believing almost anything.

Humm...the truth torments you? Good. I believe what the Word of God says. You can believe whatever Sunday School taught you about Satan. The Lord judges, and I am comfortable with that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The destruction of the UNHOLY temple buildings since the Cross indeed occurred in 70 AD...

That was a very significant event to the Jews, was it not? Why would there be nothing about it in the Bible? It proved that God was not playing games with them and that they would be punished for their rebellion just as Jesus said they would be in Luke 19:41-44. It serves as a lesson to all unbelievers in the world today that God will not put up with rebellion forever and it will eventually be punished when Jesus comes to take vengeance on unbelievers at His return (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

...and the Word of God did NOT prophesy about 70AD. You got the wrong temple, period.

It did. It's nothing short of foolish to think that the Bible would be silent about such a significant event.

Colossians 2:16-17

• "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
• Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

That's what a type is. Types are shadows, things that portray a certain pattern or image of things that are to come. Moses the type of Christ, the Holy City a type of the people of God, etc. Therefore the physical Temple and City in AD 70 couldn't have been a type any more than Moses could have been an "additional type in AD 70."

The new covenant was established at the cross and not in 70 AD, so don't get me confused with what preterists teach. What happened then is a lesson that the rest of the world can learn from in terms of how God will punish their rebellion against Christ eventually just like He punished the Jews by destroying their city and temple buildings and many of the Jews themselves.

Because the type was already fulfilled in the coming of the true, that the type foreshadowed at the Cross. No matter how hard you try, you cannot "Biblically" make AD 70 into something prophesied, a type or a rebirth of anything.

You are getting me confused with preterists who claim that 70 AD marked the end of the supposed old covenant age. That is not what I believe. The old covenant was made obsolete at the cross.

Moreover, we were called or empowered at Pentecost to look at the newly reborn visible kingdom of God, and it has nothing to do with AD 70!! All this God explained in books like Romans. The shadows (Holy city, Holy Temple, Animal Sacrifices) were gone, right at the Cross,

Of course! I don't say otherwise! You waste so much time with your straw man arguments. Go find a preterist to argue with because nothing you're saying applies to what I believe.

Humm...the truth torments you? Good.

LOL. What truth? You believe 100% falsehood when it comes to Satan. He sure has you deceived into thinking he doesn't even exist. Wow.

I believe what the Word of God says.

Sometimes. And sometimes not.

You can believe whatever Sunday School taught you about Satan.

Scripture clearly portrays Satan as an evil spirit being. Was some non-literal, non-existent, non-personal entity talking to and tempting Jesus in the desert?

 

[TribulationSigns]

That was a very significant event to the Jews, was it not?

So? It still was not prophesied by God according to Scripture. Like I said. You got the wrong temple. End of story.

Why would there be nothing about it in the Bible?

Again, you got the wrong temple. That is what is wrong with your doctrine. You were reading into Scripture thinking God was talking about the physical Jewish temple. A typical mistake of Preterism.

It did. It's nothing short of foolish to think that the Bible would be silent about such a significant event.

The new covenant was established at the cross and not in 70 AD

PTL.

so don't get me confused with what preterists teach.

You are taking some of their playbook in your flawed amillennial doctrine. :)

What happened then is a lesson that the rest of the world can learn from in terms of how God will punish their rebellion against Christ eventually just like He punished the Jews by destroying their city and temple buildings and many of the Jews themselves.

So the destruction of temple in 70 was a punishment for the Jews, even after the New Covenant Church was established at the Cross? LOL. You totally don't get it. The new Covenant Church cannot be built unless the Old Covenant Church fell first. It took place at the Cross. The Jews were punished when they lose their kingdom representative, right at the cross. Not physical stones falling in 70AD. You got the wrong stones! LOL.

You are getting me confused with preterists who claim that 70 AD marked the end of the supposed old covenant age. That is not what I believe. The old covenant was made obsolete at the cross.

Good for you, but you got Olivet discourse wrong because you still depend on the destruction of physical temple for interpretation.

Of course! I don't say otherwise! You waste so much time with your straw man arguments. Go find a preterist to argue with because nothing you're saying applies to what I believe.

No, you believe the same way as Peterism as far as the Olivet Discourse is concerned.

LOL. What truth? You believe 100% falsehood when it comes to Satan. He sure has you deceived into thinking he doesn't even exist. Wow.

The Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.

Sometimes. And sometimes not.

Nah, it's up to God to reveal things to me.

Scripture clearly portrays Satan as an evil spirit being.

No, the Scripture did not say "evil spirit being". It says it is a spirit.

You may need to consider how evil comes into existence. And it came into existence from the beginning. The Holy Bible says everything God created was good (Genesis 1:10, 12, 18, 21 etc.) What God creates is good, but after He gave His law, that's when wickedness came into existence, because while God created man good, he did not create him a robot. Once the law came, man had the opportunity to obey or disobey. And when Eve started lusting after the fruit of the forbidden tree, that's HOW the spirit of disobedience (Satan) came into existence! It is Eve's spirit of disobedience, the moment the iniquity was found in her for lust after the fruit. As God's word plainly said in James chapter 1, "once lust has conceived, it brings forth sin, and when sin is finished, it brings forth death." Is that not exactly what happened in the garden of Eden? The evil spirit (Satan) came into existence through man, once he lusted for that which God had forbidden. Not having person to person conversation with "evil spirit being!" God did not create or bring a liar from the beginning into the world anymore than He created or made Judas a thief from the beginning! Selah! God knew Judas was a thief (John 12:6), but He did not make Judas a thief. There is a difference! Man having the ability to make choices was not bad, but good. Man making the wrong choices, now that's WHEN bad came in. Without that ability to make a choice, human beings would have not been created good, but created little more than robots.

 

[Davy]

From your post #69. You wrote.... "Thus we are not... to confuse that word nagid (ruler) which is used later in the next Dan.9:26 verse as "prince" which is about the Roman ruler general Titus whose army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D."

Because you indicated that Titus is the prince that shall come and was the "he" in Daniel 9:27 who confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Davy, you are sometimes very confusing in your communications. I think you can do better.


Davy, that is meaningless rhetoric. Instead, clarify who you think will confirm the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

You don't understand the Biblical idea of TYPES, do you?


The "king of Tyrus" God referred to in Ezekiel 28:12-19, who was God actually pointing to?

Ezek 28:12-19
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV

Do you really think the flesh "king of Tyrus" is really who God was point to above?

The flesh "king of Tyrus" NEVER was in God's Garden of Eden.

The flesh "king of Tyrus" was but a flesh-born man, and NOT an "anointed cherub that covereth". A cherub is a Heavenly type being, not a flesh person.

The flesh "king of Tyrus" never was upon God's "holy mountain", nor did he walk up and down in the midst of the stones of fire which represents God's Altar in the Heavenly.

God simply gave us a TYPE in that Ezekiel 28:12-19 Scripture which is about Satan. God simply used the flesh "king of Tyrus" as a TYPE for Satan. God also did this in His Word with "the Assyrian" as a TYPE for Satan (Isaiah 30:31-33, as Tophet is used there as a symbol for the future "lake of fire". That links to the subject that Jesus said in Matthew 25:41 about that "lake of fire" having been prepared "of old" for the devil and his angels).

Same thing in Isaiah 14 about the "king of Babylon". God is using the flesh "king of Babylon" there as a TYPE... for Satan himself wanting to be God, which is how Satan originally rebelled in sin and fell from heaven in the beginning.

I mentioned that idea about 'types' in my post #69 towards the end of it, but it's apparent you failed to read it, or you just don't have a clue about the Biblical idea of TYPES that God uses in His Word.

In my next post I will explain how... this Biblical idea of TYPES applies to the Daniel "he" of Daniel 9:27 as the final Antichrist at the end of this world.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Let me explain... the enemy is the adversary in us, a spirit of disobedience. And the name of THIS spirit, our own spirit before we were born again, is Satan! Mankind brought this spirit into existence when his will was adversarial to God's, so that he did what God had forbidden.

#1. God created man good.
#2. Man desired what was unlawful, and as a result sinned and became bad.
#3. Thus man made himself an Enemy of God.

I don't think you "really" understand that if mankind didn't create sin, then God did. At least if it is true as you say that God alone creates. Again, as I stated, the process of creation of sin is explained by God in James chapter 1:

James 1:15-17

• "Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
• Do not err, my beloved brethren.
• Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

The Apostle (under inspiration of God) warns us specifically not to err concerning this very issue. Because there is a penchant to think that God created the adversary Satan to move us to sin, which places responsibility on God for our spirit to sin! We read EVERYTHING GOOD created is from God, and NOTHING EVIL. There's no debate, God created everything good and He saw it was all good! ...Period! No debate, that's the end of it. In other words, that's the end of that discussion of what God created. EVERYTHING was good, nothing bad, nothing evil, NO wicked Serpent put in the Garden to tempt Eve and Adam, etc., etc., All was good. But then man lusted after the fruit of the forbidden tree. He himself did that, not some fallen being from heaven, it was his own willful spirit wherein (like many today) he rationalized away God's law forbidding it. This rationalization is characterized by the Serpent asking him, "Hath God Said?" He rationalized away God's law in his own mind through lust for the fruit, and it was his own desire that took hold and brought forth his disobedient action. His Spirit became disobedient through this rationalization of the spirit and brought forth sin. The "very same" spirit that worked in every single one of us before we became saved. We also talked to that spirit and rationalized away God's laws wherein we willfully disobeyed. Sure, we didn't call it an evil spirit because our evil spirit is the great deceiver. Every unsaved person has an unclean spirit. So are they all billions of fallen angels, devils living in these billions of people on earth? Because the spirit of disobedience, which is Satan, works in every single man, woman and child on earth that is not saved. There are about 7.6 billion people in the world today. That mean there are billions of evil spirits of disobedience out there inhabiting mankind. So who created all these unclean spirits, fallen angels (so called), Devils, Demons or whatever you choose to call them?

Ephesians 2:2

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

The children of disobedience is every unsaved person, and this spirit works in all of them, just as God's word says it worked in all of us before we were saved. So is Satan a Omnipresent spirit being able to inhabit billions at one time? Because if not, then he cannot be this spirit of disobedience inhabiting billions of unsaved people. It has to be their own evil spirit.

You ask can I explain how it is that we created the enemy? Yes I can. It was by our willful spirit led disobedience, this spirit of disobedience we brought about by our desires. That spirit to disobey made, created or brought into existence sin, which made us the enemy of God. Indeed we did create the enemy, in alienating ourselves from God by spiritual warfare. But God destroyed that enemy, ended that war and made reconciliation with Him. And the last enemy He will destroy is death.

Colossians 1:21- 22

• "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.
• In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:"

Just as surely as we created sin against God, God has destroyed it making us dead to the law and unblameable. Now I said I could explain it, but I didn't say you would accept the explanation. We simply disagree!

 

[TribulationSigns]

You don't understand the Biblical idea of TYPES, do you?


The "king of Tyrus" God referred to in Ezekiel 28:12-19, who was God actually pointing to?

Ezek 28:12-19
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV

Do you really think the flesh "king of Tyrus" is really who God was point to above?

The flesh "king of Tyrus" NEVER was in God's Garden of Eden.

Yes. God referred the king of Tyrus to MAN! Started with Adam in the Garden of Eden.

To better understand what is anointed cherub, should read the following article:

What Are Cherubim?

 

[Davy]

Here is how the idea of Biblical TYPES... applies to that Daniel 9:27 verse with that "he" subject.

Dan.9:25 - is about "Messiah the Prince", meaning Lord Jesus Christ. When those two titles are together like that, it can only be about Christ Jesus.

Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" only is about Christ Jesus. The later mention of the "prince" is without any Messiah identifier, and thus is NOT Christ. The destruction of Jerusalem and the sanctuary is linked with that "prince". That cannot be about Jesus Christ destroying Jerusalem and the temple, for Lord Jesus had already been crucified and raised by the time Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. It was the Roman general Titus and his army that fulfilled that 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

So might the Roman general Titus have served as a TYPE... for Antichrist?? YES!

Just because Lord Jesus had warned the Jews at His 1st coming that Jerusalem would be flattened did not mean Lord Jesus Himself did it.

Same with Jerusalem and Solomon's temple in the days of Jeremiah the prophet, God ordained its destruction because of how the Jews had fallen away from Him, but He sent the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, to actually fulfill it. And Nebuchadnezzar and his Babylon empire represented a beast kingdom and beast king as TYPES. So likewise the Roman general Titus in 70 A.D. represented a TYPE for the FUTURE ANTICHRIST at the end of this world.


Thus the "he" of Daniel 9:27 is actually about the FINAL ANTICHRIST at the end of this world, because it links back to Titus who served only as a TYPE for the ANTICHRIST.


In the Daniel 11 Scripture about the "vile person", it is doing a similar thing as a Biblical TYPE.

In 170-165 B.C. one named Antiochus Epiphanes took Jerusalem and ended the Jew's daily sacrifices, and went inside the 2nd temple and spiritually desolated it by sacrificing swine upon the altar, and spreading its broth inside the temple. Then he setup an altar with an IDOL in Zeus worship, and demanded that all bow to it or be killed. And the Daniel 11:31 verse is where Lord Jesus quoted about the "abomination of desolation" from in His Olivet discourse SIGNS about the end of this world.

That was about 200 years later after Antiochus had been dead when Lord Jesus quoted that from Daniel 11:31. So what does that reveal? It reveals that Lord Jesus was telling us to look for another... at the END of this world, that will fulfill all... those Daniel "vile person" prophetic parameters. Thus Antiochus Epiphanes served as a TYPE only for the FINAL ANTICHRIST at the end of this world, as he actually did not fulfill all the parameters of that Daniel 11 prophecy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Here is how the idea of Biblical TYPES... applies to that Daniel 9:27 verse with that "he" subject.

Dan.9:25 - is about "Messiah the Prince", meaning Lord Jesus Christ. When those two titles are together like that, it can only be about Christ Jesus.

Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" only is about Christ Jesus. The later mention of the "prince" is without any Messiah identifier, and thus is NOT Christ. The destruction of Jerusalem and the sanctuary is linked with that "prince". That cannot be about Jesus Christ destroying Jerusalem and the temple, for Lord Jesus had already been crucified and raised by the time Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. It was the Roman general Titus and his army that fulfilled that 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

So might the Roman general Titus have served as a TYPE... for Antichrist?? YES!

LOL. No, that's not how we read it in context. The passage refers specifically to "Messiah the Prince." Whether we use "Messiah" or "Prince," it still pertains to "Messiah the Prince," and not to the evil prince you seem to be adding to the context. That's disappointing!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So? It still was not prophesied by God according to Scripture. Like I said. You got the wrong temple. End of story.

LOL. At least you acknowledge it was a significant event. You have no explanation for why such a significant event was supposedly not prophesied in scripture.

Again, you got the wrong temple. That is what is wrong with your doctrine. You were reading into Scripture thinking God was talking about the physical Jewish temple. A typical mistake of Preterism.

I'm not a Preterist. Are you so lacking in confidence in your own view that you have to be dishonest and mislabel me as a Preterist?

You are taking some of their playbook in your flawed amillennial doctrine.

Wrong. Should I say that you are taking some of the Gnostic playbook in your flawed doctrine?

So the destruction of temple in 70 was a punishment for the Jews, even after the New Covenant Church was established at the Cross? LOL.

Are you a clown? What is funny about that? It wasn't just the destruction of the temple, but of their city and many of the people, also. They rejected Christ and His establishment of the new covenant and were trying to be saved under the old covenant instead, so they were punished for it. The destruction of their temple showed that God found that to be unacceptable. They could not even perform animal sacrifices anymore without their precious temple that had already been rendered spiritually desolate well before that.

You totally don't get it.

You 100% don't get it. It is utterly ludicrous to think that God's wrath against the unbelieving Jews would not be prophesied anywhere in scripture.

The new Covenant Church cannot be built unless the Old Covenant Church fell first.

No kidding! Who said otherwise! Please give me the name of your straw man! LOL. Talk about not getting it. You don't even get who you're talking to. Address my beliefs instead of your straw man preterist's beliefs.

It took place at the Cross.

Of course it did! Hello? Address my beliefs instead of your straw man's beliefs.

The Jews were punished when they lose their kingdom representative, right at the cross. Not physical stones falling in 70AD. You got the wrong stones! LOL.

LOL. It was both! They were punished spiritually at the cross and physically in 70 AD.

Good for you, but you got Olivet discourse wrong because you still depend on the destruction of physical temple for interpretation.

That's only a small part of the Olivet Discourse. Jesus talked about the temple buildings (plural) being destroyed and you try to refute that with a scripture that talks about the temple building (singular) of His body being destroyed. You need to take an English course and learn the difference between singular words (temple building) and plural words (temple buildings).

No, you believe the same way as Peterism as far as the Olivet Discourse is concerned.

Stop your foolishness already! I only interpret one passage the way they do and disagree with them on the rest! Stop slandering me and what I believe!

 

[Douggg]

So might the Roman general Titus have served as a TYPE... for Antichrist?? YES!

No, because Titus did not confirm the covenant for 7 years to be a type of what the Antichrist will do in Daniel 9:27, i.e. confirm the covenant for 7 years. We do agree, however, that it will be the Antichrist who will confirm the covenant for 7 years. The "he" in Daniel 9:27.

The prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26 will be an end times person, originating from the Roman Empire manifested in the end times - i.e. the EU.

The prince that shall come following the Gog/Magog event will be perceived by the Jews as their long awaited king of Israel messiah. He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet to become the Antichrist. And in that perceived king of Israel role will confirm the covenant for 7 years.

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One of the things I suggest that you think about is that being the Antichrist is only one phase or stage of the person. There are five distinctive stages of the person. Consider studying that and you will get a clear picture of how things are gong to develop right up to Jesus's return.

1. the little horn
2. the prince that shall come
3. the Antichrist
4. the revealed man of sin
5. the beast-king

 

[Douggg]

You don't understand the Biblical idea of TYPES, do you?


The "king of Tyrus" God referred to in Ezekiel 28:12-19, who was God actually pointing to?

Ezek 28:12-19
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV

Do you really think the flesh "king of Tyrus" is really who God was point to above?

The flesh "king of Tyrus" NEVER was in God's Garden of Eden.

The flesh "king of Tyrus" was but a flesh-born man, and NOT an "anointed cherub that covereth". A cherub is a Heavenly type being, not a flesh person.

The flesh "king of Tyrus" never was upon God's "holy mountain", nor did he walk up and down in the midst of the stones of fire which represents God's Altar in the Heavenly.

God simply gave us a TYPE in that Ezekiel 28:12-19 Scripture which is about Satan. God simply used the flesh "king of Tyrus" as a TYPE for Satan. God also did this in His Word with "the Assyrian" as a TYPE for Satan (Isaiah 30:31-33, as Tophet is used there as a symbol for the future "lake of fire". That links to the subject that Jesus said in Matthew 25:41 about that "lake of fire" having been prepared "of old" for the devil and his angels).

Same thing in Isaiah 14 about the "king of Babylon". God is using the flesh "king of Babylon" there as a TYPE... for Satan himself wanting to be God, which is how Satan originally rebelled in sin and fell from heaven in the beginning.

I mentioned that idea about 'types' in my post #69 towards the end of it, but it's apparent you failed to read it, or you just don't have a clue about the Biblical idea of TYPES that God uses in His Word.

In my next post I will explain how... this Biblical idea of TYPES applies to the Daniel "he" of Daniel 9:27 as the final Antichrist at the end of this world.

Rather than type, I think a better description would be code name.

The prince of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:1-10) - a code name for the Antichrist person when he reveals himself to be the man of sin.
The king of Tyrus (Ezekiel 28:12-19) - a code name for Satan.

 

[Davy]

No, because Titus did not confirm the covenant for 7 years to be a type of what the Antichrist will do in Daniel 9:27, i.e. confirm the covenant for 7 years..

The prince that shall come will be an end times person, originating from the Roman Empire manifested in the end times - i.e. the EU.

The prince that shall come following the Gog/Magog event will be perceived by the Jews as their long awaited king of Israel messiah. He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet to become the Antichrist.

One of the things you should think about is that being the Antichrist is only one phase or stage of the person. There are five distinctive stages of the person.

1. the little horn
2. the prince that shall come
3. the Antichrist
4. the revealed man of sin
5. the beast-king


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Titus in 70 A.D. served as a TYPE for the FINAL ANTICHRIST, just as Nebuchadnezzar did also. All that chart making has done nothing but create confusion for you.

The "little horn" of Daniel 7 & 8 that comes up from among the "ten horns", is about the END of this world also, as it is shown in the Rev.17 Scripture about the ten kings and the "beast" (king) which represents the "little horn", and that "little horn" will be the FINAL ANTICHRIST.

I've already explained about that Dan.9:26 "prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary", even though you STILL BUTCHER that verse by YOUR REMOVING THAT LAST "shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" phrase which is attached... to the subject of that "prince".

That you would do that kind of butchering of God's Word shows you care more about stupid doctrines of men instead of keeping God's Word as written.

Argument about the "antichrist" word is for babes, the Biblically illiterate who don't understand about the "mystery of iniquity" nor about the "workers of iniquity" and the "tares" of Matt.13.

Who the "man of sin" will be is easy, IF... one stays in God's Word as written. That is the same one that Jesus warned about in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture SIGN about a pseudo-Christ at the end in Jerusalem, one with the power to work those great signs and lying wonders to deceive the whole world with.

The subject of the beast king actually began back in The Old Testament about Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. The actual idea of the "beast" per the Book of Jude and 2 Peter 2 go back to Cain murdering his own brother. Ole' Neb contracted a real disease that made his mind think he was an animal, and he went and lived in the wild like a beast, until God brought him out of it (Daniel 4). This is also why that title "king of Babylon" is also used as a TYPE for Lucifer in Isaiah 14.

Most of the above I highly doubt... that you know hardly anything... about. I say this because your focus is clearly on men's doctrines... more than it is within God's written Word.