THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

[covenantee]

Have you read my posts that I ever denied that Christ died physically?

Have you ever confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? 1 John 2:22

Let's see it.

Verbatim.

"I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh".

Copy/paste it and post it.

If you believe it.

 

[Davy]

In Daniel 9:27, who is the "he" ?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If you'd read my posts you'd know what I said who that "he" of Dan.9:27 is.

The "he" of Dan.9:27 is the "prince" back at the Dan.9:26 verse, which is NOT Messiah.

Do you not have eyes?
Can you not see the following difference?

Dan.9:25 - "Messiah the Prince" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "prince" - NOT Christ


Jesus Christ did NOT... destroy the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary, nor place the "abomination of desolation that maketh desolate" of Daniel 11:31 with an army. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed AFTER... Christ's 1st coming, and it was done by the Roman general Titus and his army in 70 A.D.

So DUH... those who started the falsehood that Christ destroyed Jerusalem and the temple simply are not using their brain.

 

[Douggg]

If you'd read my posts you'd know what I said who that "he" of Dan.9:27 is.

The "he" of Dan.9:27 is the "prince" back at the Dan.9:26 verse, which is NOT Messiah.

Do you not have eyes?
Can you not see the following difference?

Dan.9:25 - "Messiah the Prince" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "Messiah" - Christ Jesus
Dan.9:26 - "prince" - NOT Christ


Jesus Christ did NOT... destroy the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary, nor place the "abomination of desolation that maketh desolate" of Daniel 11:31 with an army. Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed AFTER... Christ's 1st coming, and it was done by the Roman general Titus and his army in 70 A.D.

So DUH... those who started the falsehood that Christ destroyed Jerusalem and the temple simply are not using their brain.

Are you claiming that Daniel 9:27 has already been fulfilled by Titus ?

 

[Davy]

Are you claiming that Daniel 9:27 has already been fulfilled by Titus ?

No, and where did you come up with that idea?

Instead of trying to create consternation against the Daniel 9 Scripture using a literary pry-bar, why don't you read that Scripture simply as written, instead of trying to dance around it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thankfully the Judaean Christians were infinitely smarter than you.

Do you literally physically exist?

Evidently not.

He is apparently a figment of his own imagination like the physical temple buildings that stood in Jerusalem until 70 AD. I guess he never feels any physical pain and never gets physically sick. What a life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah, which is what I had said.



No, you show you don't know how to follow simple English grammar, nor how God's Word uses 'types'.

The Daniel 9:26 phrase "... the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary;" must be kept together as one subject.

You cannot just leave out that "shall destroy the city and sanctuary" connected with that "people of the prince that shall come." You can't just chop it up like you are doing. That means we must... ask, WHEN was that city and sanctuary destroyed, and by whom? Simple, it was by the Roman army of general Titus in 70 A.D. That is when the 2nd temple was destroyed, and the city of Jerusalem destroyed.

Furthermore, that Hebrew word nagid for "prince" does not include the word "Messiah" like the Daniel 9:25 verse does. This means the Daniel 9:26 "prince" MUST be understood to mean a ruler, or commander, which nagid (OT:5057) can mean. It does NOT mean Christ.

You are being dishonest here by acting as if "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25 is translated from one word, nagid, but it is not. It is translated from the words māšîaḥ (Messiah) and nagid (prince).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope. You are saying things because you are in denial of the Truth.



Assumption is the mother of all errors. I never said that everything in Scripture is supposed to be understood spiritually. Grow up.


What do you think, "Spiritual" Israelite? LOL. Have you read my posts that I ever denied that Christ died physically? Again, grow up.

Don't blame me that you come across as if you don't think anything is physical. You need to grow up and stop acting as if the physical destruction of the temple buildings never happened in 70 AD and stop acting as if the Bible would never prophesy about that.

Anyone who denies that Satan is an actual living individual spirit being, as you do, is capable of believing almost anything.

 

[Douggg]

No, and where did you come up with that idea?

From your post #69. You wrote.... "Thus we are not... to confuse that word nagid (ruler) which is used later in the next Dan.9:26 verse as "prince" which is about the Roman ruler general Titus whose army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D."

Because you indicated that Titus is the prince that shall come and was the "he" in Daniel 9:27 who confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Davy, you are sometimes very confusing in your communications. I think you can do better.

Instead of trying to create consternation against the Daniel 9 Scripture using a literary pry-bar, why don't you read that Scripture simply as written, instead of trying to dance around it?

Davy, that is meaningless rhetoric. Instead, clarify who you think will confirm the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You need to grow up and stop acting as if the physical destruction of the temple buildings never happened in 70 AD

The destruction of the UNHOLY temple buildings since the Cross indeed occurred in 70 AD...

and stop acting as if the Bible would never prophesy about that.

...and the Word of God did NOT prophesy about 70AD. You got the wrong temple, period.

Colossians 2:16-17

• "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
• Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

That's what a type is. Types are shadows, things that portray a certain pattern or image of things that are to come. Moses the type of Christ, the Holy City a type of the people of God, etc. Therefore the physical Temple and City in AD 70 couldn't have been a type any more than Moses could have been an "additional type in AD 70." Because the type was already fulfilled in the coming of the true, that the type foreshadowed at the Cross. No matter how hard you try, you cannot "Biblically" make AD 70 into something prophesied, a type or a rebirth of anything.

Moreover, we were called or empowered at Pentecost to look at the newly reborn visible kingdom of God, and it has nothing to do with AD 70!! All this God explained in books like Romans. The shadows (Holy city, Holy Temple, Animal Sacrifices) were gone, right at the Cross, no one had to wait for AD 70 to supposedly see this historical war in order to know Israel had fallen. The revealing of the shadows were by the Apostles, and are manifested to us by the scriptures they penned. Not by Titus attacking Israel 37 years later. For example:

Hebrews 9:9-15

• "Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
• Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
• But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
• Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
• For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
• How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
• And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

The blood of goats, the Temple buildings, etc., was merely a shadow of the true, NOT THE TRUE ITSELF! In those verses, God clearly delineated in words easy to understand what the physical fall of buildings in AD 70 couldn't reveal in a million years. Namely, that the types were fulfilled in Christ, and that Old Testament Israel had come under judgment and had already fallen, wherein a New Testament Congregation was established on greater promises than of building (or destroying) physical cities, Temples or Sacrifices. So we see clearly, the need for AD 70 to show anything in a worldly earthly fashion is a figment of your imagination, and not something written upon the pages of Holy writ. For example, there is no such need!

For your "information," those Christ hating Jews (as you call them) were God's covenant people, the visible representation of the kingdom of God upon earth! You act as if they weren't. As has already been told you, from scripture, the "Kingdom" was taken from them by Christ's cross. Before that, they were the Kingdom representation, the builders of the temple. Get that straight first, and then you just might be able to see what is true and what is false concerning the covenant congregation of God, and how they can be as stones poured out in the streets of Zion. As God Himself signified in lamentations. And you might both read the books, and look up the "definition of lamentations" also. It might help you understand.

Lamentations 4:1-2

• "How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! The stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.
• The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!"

Selah!

Anyone who denies that Satan is an actual living individual spirit being, as you do, is capable of believing almost anything.

Humm...the truth torments you? Good. I believe what the Word of God says. You can believe whatever Sunday School taught you about Satan. The Lord judges, and I am comfortable with that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The destruction of the UNHOLY temple buildings since the Cross indeed occurred in 70 AD...

That was a very significant event to the Jews, was it not? Why would there be nothing about it in the Bible? It proved that God was not playing games with them and that they would be punished for their rebellion just as Jesus said they would be in Luke 19:41-44. It serves as a lesson to all unbelievers in the world today that God will not put up with rebellion forever and it will eventually be punished when Jesus comes to take vengeance on unbelievers at His return (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

...and the Word of God did NOT prophesy about 70AD. You got the wrong temple, period.

It did. It's nothing short of foolish to think that the Bible would be silent about such a significant event.

Colossians 2:16-17

• "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
• Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

That's what a type is. Types are shadows, things that portray a certain pattern or image of things that are to come. Moses the type of Christ, the Holy City a type of the people of God, etc. Therefore the physical Temple and City in AD 70 couldn't have been a type any more than Moses could have been an "additional type in AD 70."

The new covenant was established at the cross and not in 70 AD, so don't get me confused with what preterists teach. What happened then is a lesson that the rest of the world can learn from in terms of how God will punish their rebellion against Christ eventually just like He punished the Jews by destroying their city and temple buildings and many of the Jews themselves.

Because the type was already fulfilled in the coming of the true, that the type foreshadowed at the Cross. No matter how hard you try, you cannot "Biblically" make AD 70 into something prophesied, a type or a rebirth of anything.

You are getting me confused with preterists who claim that 70 AD marked the end of the supposed old covenant age. That is not what I believe. The old covenant was made obsolete at the cross.

Moreover, we were called or empowered at Pentecost to look at the newly reborn visible kingdom of God, and it has nothing to do with AD 70!! All this God explained in books like Romans. The shadows (Holy city, Holy Temple, Animal Sacrifices) were gone, right at the Cross,

Of course! I don't say otherwise! You waste so much time with your straw man arguments. Go find a preterist to argue with because nothing you're saying applies to what I believe.

Humm...the truth torments you? Good.

LOL. What truth? You believe 100% falsehood when it comes to Satan. He sure has you deceived into thinking he doesn't even exist. Wow.

I believe what the Word of God says.

Sometimes. And sometimes not.

You can believe whatever Sunday School taught you about Satan.

Scripture clearly portrays Satan as an evil spirit being. Was some non-literal, non-existent, non-personal entity talking to and tempting Jesus in the desert?