Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

[Taken]

The destruction that occurs upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night is described by Paul as being "sudden".

sudden (adjective): occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning.

Uh huh…
Wrath and Vengeance first before total destruction.

You turn a sudden destruction event, which is one that happens quickly and unexpectedly, into one that lasts 7 years and happens here and there instead. So, I just completely disagree with how you interpret those passages.

Well no. I did not turn Sudden total destruction into a 7 year event.

I included the 7 year event that leads up to the sudden total destruction.

Dividing and Including and Separating is a Seven Year Event…

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A remnant of human men, (believers, but not Saved) survive the seals Judgement, the Trumps Judgements…

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?

They repopulate the earth…they build cities, nations, and have Governors (presidents, kings… whatever Title the shall use.)
Their “kings” rule their “nation”, according to Gods WAY, void of the influence of Satan, and With the Influence of Christ Jesus.

They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense. Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Uh huh…
Wrath and Vengeance first before total destruction.

Where is that indicated in 1 Thess 5:2-3 or 2 Peter 3:10-12?

Well no. I did not turn Sudden total destruction into a 7 year event.

I included the 7 year event that leads up to the sudden total destruction.

Dividing and Including and Separating is a Seven Year Event…

Where do either 2 Peter 3:10-12 or 1 Thess 5:2-3 indicate that total destruction does not occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night?

 

[Taken]

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?

A living man believes…Before he is Saved.
Salvation is a Gift given a man For, calling on the Lord and Confessing his Belief.

People Do believe without Confession.
People Do believe, doubt, believe, deny, believe, are unsure and do not confess.

They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense.

Really? So the first time you heard About God, About Jesus… without Learning Anything about Him, you instantly Believed?

Fascinating!

Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

You are a hoot.
What do you think the purpose of the Gospel is for…. If “like you” you only needed to hear the Words God / Christ Jesus, and supposedly instantly Believed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A living man believes…Before he is Saved.
Salvation is a Gift given a man For, calling on the Lord and Confessing his Belief.

People Do believe without Confession.
People Do believe, doubt, believe, deny, believe, are unsure and do not confess.

Really? So the first time you heard About God, About Jesus… without Learning Anything about Him, you instantly Believed?

Fascinating!

You are a hoot.
What do you think the purpose of the Gospel is for…. If “like you” you only needed to hear the Words God / Christ Jesus, and supposedly instantly Believed.

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him. LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

 

[WPM]

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?


They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense. Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

Premil operates in the realm of fancy. This is all imaginations in their own minds. Who cares about scriptural warrant when it comes to proving Premil.

They invent people who do not exist or ever will - people that are too wicked to be caught up but to righteous to be destroyed. What a shame. What a lie.

 

[WPM]

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him. LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

This is worthwhile because it exposes Premil as the joke it is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Premil operates in the realm of fancy. This is all imaginations in their own minds. Who cares about scriptural warrant when it comes to proving Premil.

They invent people who do not exist or ever will - people that are too wicked to be caught up but to righteous to be destroyed. What a shame. What a lie.

Agree completely. They try to create a third group of people that is unknown to scripture. Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). That's two groups. He said nothing about an imaginary third group that includes believers who are not saved. You either believe and are with Christ or you don't and you're against Christ. There is no in between.

 

[Taken]

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him.

LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

It was Jesus who came to Earth. in the Likeness “AS” human man, ( Remember…the Son of Man???), in a Body God Prepared, So Human men “Could” See Him.

Remember, the Human men, who came to Believe, He was the “Son of God”, “Still SAW”, the Body, as the “Son of Man???”

You think Jesus “Returns” “in” His Glory, and unsaved Humans “can See Him, IN His Glory”? No.

Jesus “Returns” in the Likeness “AS” a man, “WITH” His Glory (Power).

Only they WHO can “SEE” His Glory, are They “With Him, WHO themselves have been “raised Glorified”. Uh, the Raptured!

Are you baffled, that Christ the Lord calls Those IN Christ, up to Him, in the Clouds?

Do you imagine, SEEING a mass of human Body’s “Rising up in the Air”?
That would be no.
Humans on Earth…do not See glorified Bodys.

Humans that have become Glorified…shall SEE the Lord, “as He IS”…Glorified.

Humans on Earth, shall SEE Him as A Man.

How did John describe ( what you call garbage )?

John 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Guess who IS WITH Him…His Angels “human men can NOT See, and His saints, (the Raptured risen up in Glorified Bodys), Humans On Earth can not SEE.

1 Thes. 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ( the saved, risen up glorified, but obviously, not the doubters, like you, who calls this garbage), ever be with the Lord.

More (garbage, as you say)

1 Jonn 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we ( obviously the Sanctified) the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You think, they “who Have Not been Sanctified” shall See Him, AS He IS?

Nope.

Do you also…SEE “holy angels, as they Are”?
Because they ARE present all over the Earth.

If an Angel (wants you to SEE him, while you are alive in your human body) “he Appears in a Body the LOOKS LIKE a human man.”
Ya think the Lord Jesus, who Is Christ, who IS the Power of God, has LESS Power than an Angel?

Is that knowledge more (garbage) to you?

You reject, because you do not Trust the Knowledge…Because you do not Understand the Knowledge from a Spiritual Standpoint.

And Because you do not Understand from a Spiritual Standpoint, you are Baffled, when men Speak about Spiritual things FROM a Spiritual Standpoint, “that makes no sense to your Carnal understanding”….nor is it supposed to.

Are you unaware there are millions that Believe JESUS “existed”, they Believe “IN JESUS”… but do NOT Believe He IS the Christ?

They are called “believers”
It is they WHO, Believe “Jesus IS the Christ”, who ARE “the converted”, “the confessed”, “the Saved”, “the IN Christ”…”the same who will BE Raptured!”…Claimed and Redeemed BY Christ Jesus and Thereafter with Him wherever He IS…”in the Clouds, in the air, on a white Cloud, on the Earth, in His Kingdom”, like Him….able to take on the LOOK, BODY, that APPARS Like a human, for Humans TO SEE them….just like the Angels DO.

Matt 22:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

How ARE the angels?

Face to face with Humans, in a body that Appears Human, that the Human, IS UNAWARE he is in the presence of A “spirit” Angel.

Be kind to strangers…you never know, it might be an Angel you are in the presence of.

 

[Davy]

I don’t disagree that the heaven and earth passing way is metaphorical. I can get onboard with that. But i’m having a bit of a difficult time understanding your chronology.

If heaven and earth metaphorically pass away at the parousia of Christ prior to the millennium, how is this reconciled with heaven and earth fleeing post the millennium?

That's where deeper study of all... your Bible comes in, to include Peter's "world that then was", which was actually about the old world prior... to Lucifer's fall. Not many brethren want to study that for some reason. The Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 chapters include types of parables about Lucifer before he rebelled and then after. Ezekiel 31 does also, but it is definitely full of heavy metaphor about that but requires deeper Bible study in the prophets.

What this deeper Bible study does is gives the believer a greater timespan of God's Plan, covering a time when God made His 'perfect creation', and Lucifer was created perfect in his ways. Most don't have a time sense covering back that far. But it's important, and it is written, and without it God's future new heavens a new earth will be more difficult to properly understand.

For example, Revelation 22:14-15 points to the wicked existing outside the gates of the beloved city (new Jerusalem), while Christ's saints have right to the Tree of Life that will be inside those gates. A Bible study in Ezekiel 47 about that Tree of Life shows it manifests on earth, in the holy land, along with God's River of the Waters of Life which will flow out of Christ's future Millennium "sanctuary". When Jesus said in John 14 that in His Father's "house" are "many mansions" per the KJV, that idea means abodes or priest's chambers in that future Millennial sanctuary, as written in Ezekiel 40 thru 47.

Likewise in Zechariah 14:16-19, we are shown the wicked leftovers that will have come up against Jerusalem on the last day when Jesus returns will then be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship The KING (Jesus), and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And those nations who refuse to do that, there will be no rains upon their lands.

Thus on the "day of the Lord" at Lord Jesus' 2nd coming, a literal return to this earth, it is not going to be the new heavens and a new earth time just yet. Like Apostle Paul said, Christ must reign over all His enemies until they are made His footstool, and that is also what the Revelation 3:9 verse is about, and will only happen starting on the day of His future return.

Then only after that future Millennium period of Christ's future reign over His enemies, will Satan, the wicked, the abode of hell (Hades), and even the concept of death and sin, will be destroyed in the "lake of fire" and be no more. In God's original perfect creation, before Lucifer did the first sin with coveting God's Throne, there was no death or sin. That is why Hebrews 2:14 reveals the power of death was assigned to Satan, for he was first to sin against God in that old world. This is why God's future new heavens and a new earth gives descriptions like Isaiah 11 and Revelation 21 & 22, no more death, no more sea, no more hunger or pain, the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, the lion will eat straw like an ox, etc. That reveals in the new heavens a earth time there won't even be anymore killing or death, and that's a major hinge point about the future Millennium reign by Christ first, and then the destruction of death and sin, for after Christ's future return, the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" will exist, so death won't be over at Lord Jesus' 2nd coming.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 20:11 11Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.

If you follow the order of events written in Revelation 20, that 11th verse is for after Christ's "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved.

The 1000 years as a day and a day is as 1000 years is about God not being slow to fulfill his promises as some count slow. This use of language would be similar to psalm 90:4. It simply demonstrates that time is relative. I don’t see any indication that this must “hint” at a thousand year reign, unless one reads 2 peter 3 through the lens of revelation 20?

Peter was not simply giving an allegory there in those 2 Peter 3:8-9 verses. He said in between his coverage of what happens on the day of Christ's future return, and immediately thereafter. The subject of verse 9 ought to be easy to grasp that Peter is pointing to Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the 'unsaved', as Peter says God does not wish that any should perish, so what that's idea of perishing about per Rev.20? It's about the unsaved being cast into the future "lake of fire" at the "second death", for after the "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect. And Peter parenthetically declared that in between his description of the end of this present world on the day of Christ's coming. So no, I refuse to treat that thousand years as a day to God as just allegorical speech, like poetry or something. That is done by those of the Amil school who don't want the future "thousand years" of Christ's reign over the wicked to be understood.

As to Corinthians 15:24-28, the Greek for “reign” is present active infinite, which indicates a present ongoing process. Based on the grammar that Paul chose to use, the evidence indicates he believed Christ to be already in the process of reigning at the time 1 Corinthians 15 was authored. So I’m not sure where you are getting that it must be future, especially when Hebrews 1:13 is considered. Both of the verses below indicate a present reality based on the grammar. How can he sit at the right hand in heaven while also being physically and bodily on earth until his enemies are made a footstool?

• “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”
• “For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.”

The Greek word for "reign" in 1 Cor.15:25 is simply the Greek word basileuo (NT:936) and can mean a literal reign or a figurative reign. But thank God that we don't have to rely on guesswork of that Greek word that you are actually doing, because the 24th verse, the 27th verse, and even that phrase "... till He hath put all enemies under His feet" gives us the proper... context there that Christ's enemies must be made His footstool first before the full Godhead manifests per that "that God may be all in all."

As to revelation 3:9, this opens up a couple of questions for me.

• If this is about the millennial reign, does the synagogue of Satan exist during the millennium, when Satan is locked away so he can’t deceive the nations?
• If this is about the millennial reign, are those who were a part of the synagogue of Satan resurrected at the same time the saints of Philadelphia are resurrected, in order for them to bow down at the feet of the saints of Philadelphia during the millennium? Obviously they died a long time ago, no?

Well yes, that "synagogue of Satan" will still exist after Christ's future return. And those do not simply represent deceived Jews who rejected Christ. They represent Satan's host here on earth that worship him, the crept in unawares of Jude 4 which were ordained to that condemnation of being against The Father and The Son. Those have never... bowed the knee in worship of Christ Jesus at the feet of His elect, nor will they ever do that in this present world time. So if you're having problems grasping that, then you might want to also look at the Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture which is for after Christ's future coming also, that the Amil doctors don't like.

As for your idea of their being resurrected, that assumes all those "synagogue of Satan" means just those scribes and Pharisees that had Lord Jesus crucified at His 1st coming. That's not who all they represent. They even represent Satan worshipers and those who practice the black occult arts today. They represent the "mystery of iniquity" of all generations, and Lord Jesus explained about them after His parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13:36-43. The devil sowed them.

Christ's Messages to the seven Churches in Asia Minor serve as blueprints for all... Christian Churches today. We are to use them to measure what kind... of Church we may be attending. And only two Churches out of the seven Christ had no rebuke for, which represent His very elect. Philadelphia was one of them. Smyrna was the other. So if you want to know which Churches represent His elect that cannot be deceived, then it's those two.

The test for premil should be if Revelation was rejected from canon, like the “apocalypse of Peter” or “apocalypse of Abraham” or “apocalypse of Mary” or the “apocalypse of Thomas”, etc…… are there clear and explicit teachings of a literal millennium in the gospels, epistles, and book of acts? Not “hints”, but solid evidence the that the apostles were fully aware of a literal 1000 year reign post the day of the Lord. If not, then Revelation, is the main source for this “revealing”, and you are filling in the gaps of the apostles incomplete knowledge of the chronology of the eschaton with revelation. In other words, how would you know Peter and Paul were “hinting” at the millennium, if the book of revelation either didn’t exist or was declared spurious?

It is evident that Christ did not reveal the detail that His future reign would be a "thousand years" starting at His future return until He gave His Revelation through Apostle John to the Church.

Yet Peter and Paul both dropped the hint. It's what the 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Scripture is about. And Peter didn't tell us to not be 'ignorant' that a day to God is like a "thousand years" out of giving some silly allegory only.

The Zechariah 14:16-19 Scriptures, and the Psalms 2 Scripture about Jesus ruling with His "rod of iron" are both beyond a doubt about His future reign over the unsaved, and that's Old Testament Scripture, and not just a 'hint'. So I really don't see Amil having any excuse for trying to deny those Scriptures, or try to prove that Christ's Apostles didn't know about it.

 

[WPM]

It was Jesus who came to Earth. in the Likeness “AS” human man, ( Remember…the Son of Man???), in a Body God Prepared, So Human men “Could” See Him.

Remember, the Human men, who came to Believe, He was the “Son of God”, “Still SAW”, the Body, as the “Son of Man???”

You think Jesus “Returns” “in” His Glory, and unsaved Humans “can See Him, IN His Glory”? No.

Jesus “Returns” in the Likeness “AS” a man, “WITH” His Glory (Power).

Only they WHO can “SEE” His Glory, are They “With Him, WHO themselves have been “raised Glorified”. Uh, the Raptured!

Are you baffled, that Christ the Lord calls Those IN Christ, up to Him, in the Clouds?

Do you imagine, SEEING a mass of human Body’s “Rising up in the Air”?
That would be no.
Humans on Earth…do not See glorified Bodys.

Humans that have become Glorified…shall SEE the Lord, “as He IS”…Glorified.

Humans on Earth, shall SEE Him as A Man.

How did John describe ( what you call garbage )?

John 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Guess who IS WITH Him…His Angels “human men can NOT See, and His saints, (the Raptured risen up in Glorified Bodys), Humans On Earth can not SEE.

1 Thes. 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ( the saved, risen up glorified, but obviously, not the doubters, like you, who calls this garbage), ever be with the Lord.

More (garbage, as you say)

1 Jonn 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we ( obviously the Sanctified) the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You think, they “who Have Not been Sanctified” shall See Him, AS He IS?

Nope.

Do you also…SEE “holy angels, as they Are”?
Because they ARE present all over the Earth.

If an Angel (wants you to SEE him, while you are alive in your human body) “he Appears in a Body the LOOKS LIKE a human man.”
Ya think the Lord Jesus, who Is Christ, who IS the Power of God, has LESS Power than an Angel?

Is that knowledge more (garbage) to you?

You reject, because you do not Trust the Knowledge…Because you do not Understand the Knowledge from a Spiritual Standpoint.

And Because you do not Understand from a Spiritual Standpoint, you are Baffled, when men Speak about Spiritual things FROM a Spiritual Standpoint, “that makes no sense to your Carnal understanding”….nor is it supposed to.

Are you unaware there are millions that Believe JESUS “existed”, they Believe “IN JESUS”… but do NOT Believe He IS the Christ?

They are called “believers”
It is they WHO, Believe “Jesus IS the Christ”, who ARE “the converted”, “the confessed”, “the Saved”, “the IN Christ”…”the same who will BE Raptured!”…Claimed and Redeemed BY Christ Jesus and Thereafter with Him wherever He IS…”in the Clouds, in the air, on a white Cloud, on the Earth, in His Kingdom”, like Him….able to take on the LOOK, BODY, that APPARS Like a human, for Humans TO SEE them….just like the Angels DO.

Matt 22:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

How ARE the angels?

Face to face with Humans, in a body that Appears Human, that the Human, IS UNAWARE he is in the presence of A “spirit” Angel.

Be kind to strangers…you never know, it might be an Angel you are in the presence of.

He is calling your ramblings garbage. I suspect there are few that take the time to wade through them. It is all over the place. It is totally incoherent.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It was Jesus who came to Earth. in the Likeness “AS” human man, ( Remember…the Son of Man???), in a Body God Prepared, So Human men “Could” See Him.

Remember, the Human men, who came to Believe, He was the “Son of God”, “Still SAW”, the Body, as the “Son of Man???”

You think Jesus “Returns” “in” His Glory, and unsaved Humans “can See Him, IN His Glory”? No.

Jesus “Returns” in the Likeness “AS” a man, “WITH” His Glory (Power).

Only they WHO can “SEE” His Glory, are They “With Him, WHO themselves have been “raised Glorified”. Uh, the Raptured!

Are you baffled, that Christ the Lord calls Those IN Christ, up to Him, in the Clouds?

Do you imagine, SEEING a mass of human Body’s “Rising up in the Air”?
That would be no.
Humans on Earth…do not See glorified Bodys.

Humans that have become Glorified…shall SEE the Lord, “as He IS”…Glorified.

Humans on Earth, shall SEE Him as A Man.

How did John describe ( what you call garbage )?

John 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Guess who IS WITH Him…His Angels “human men can NOT See, and His saints, (the Raptured risen up in Glorified Bodys), Humans On Earth can not SEE.

1 Thes. 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ( the saved, risen up glorified, but obviously, not the doubters, like you, who calls this garbage), ever be with the Lord.

More (garbage, as you say)

1 Jonn 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we ( obviously the Sanctified) the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You think, they “who Have Not been Sanctified” shall See Him, AS He IS?

Nope.

Do you also…SEE “holy angels, as they Are”?
Because they ARE present all over the Earth.

If an Angel (wants you to SEE him, while you are alive in your human body) “he Appears in a Body the LOOKS LIKE a human man.”
Ya think the Lord Jesus, who Is Christ, who IS the Power of God, has LESS Power than an Angel?

Is that knowledge more (garbage) to you?

You reject, because you do not Trust the Knowledge…Because you do not Understand the Knowledge from a Spiritual Standpoint.

And Because you do not Understand from a Spiritual Standpoint, you are Baffled, when men Speak about Spiritual things FROM a Spiritual Standpoint, “that makes no sense to your Carnal understanding”….nor is it supposed to.

Are you unaware there are millions that Believe JESUS “existed”, they Believe “IN JESUS”… but do NOT Believe He IS the Christ?

They are called “believers”
It is they WHO, Believe “Jesus IS the Christ”, who ARE “the converted”, “the confessed”, “the Saved”, “the IN Christ”…”the same who will BE Raptured!”…Claimed and Redeemed BY Christ Jesus and Thereafter with Him wherever He IS…”in the Clouds, in the air, on a white Cloud, on the Earth, in His Kingdom”, like Him….able to take on the LOOK, BODY, that APPARS Like a human, for Humans TO SEE them….just like the Angels DO.

Matt 22:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

How ARE the angels?

Face to face with Humans, in a body that Appears Human, that the Human, IS UNAWARE he is in the presence of A “spirit” Angel.

Be kind to strangers…you never know, it might be an Angel you are in the presence of.

@claninja You liked this post? Seriously?

Taken, I was, of course, calling your interpretations of scripture garbage and not scripture itself. You knew that, but act otherwise.

Why are you acting as if I should have already known that you have a different view of what the mortals on the earth during the supposed future thousand years can see than other Premills have? It's ridiculous for you to think that I should have somehow known that your view is different from a vast majority of Premills.

Also, what you said here still is not proof at all of the belief that there will be mortals on the earth after Jesus returns.

 

[claninja]

@claninja You liked this post? Seriously?

Taken, I was, of course, calling your interpretations of scripture garbage and not scripture itself. You knew that, but act otherwise.

Why are you acting as if I should have already known that you have a different view of what the mortals on the earth during the supposed future thousand years can see than other Premills have? It's ridiculous for you to think that I should have somehow known that your view is different from a vast majority of Premills.

Also, what you said here still is not proof at all of the belief that there will be mortals on the earth after Jesus returns.

lol, must have hit it accidentally when scrolling. Thanks for the heads up. Now that I read it, it makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[Taken]

He is calling your ramblings garbage. I suspect there are few that take the time to wade through them. It is all over the place. It is totally incoherent.

Thank you.
If what I say makes sense to the Carnal minded, the Lord would not have impressed the need for Spiritual Understanding.

God bless you.
Taken

 

[Taken]

Also, what you said here still is not proof at all of the belief that there will be mortals on the earth after Jesus returns.

Rev 20:
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So, you think Satan will deceive and gather together the Saved to battle Against Christs Kingdom?

Weird.

 

[Taken]

@Spiritual Israelite

Be kind to strangers…you never know, it might be an Angel you are in the presence of.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

If you own a Bible, you would do well to actually read it.

 

[Scott Downey]

Rev 20:
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So, you think Satan will deceive and gather together the Saved to battle Against Christs Kingdom?

Weird.

No. Satan is restrained right now. The bottomless pit is the means of restraint, guarded over by Michael who is the restrainer. Michael is the high angel who has always fought and restrained the devil. Why create anything more than that for doctrine? Where else is Satan being restrained alluded to in Revelation? This is the only place.

2 Thessalonians 2
New King James Version
The Great Apostasy
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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And where do all these huge numbers of unbelieving wicked come from ? They are already here now.
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Rev 20

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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That fire is when Christ returns in flaming fire and is the day of vengeance of our God.

Perhaps part of the problem is people reading Revelation as if it is linear time, but it is not linear like a movie.
And also not paying attention to the doctrines of Christ and the apostles about the Day of the Lord.

If you are premill, then you can not agree with Christ's teaching as in the Parable of the Tares, for one example.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

lol, must have hit it accidentally when scrolling. Thanks for the heads up. Now that I read it, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Haha. Okay, I feel better now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 20:
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So, you think Satan will deceive and gather together the Saved to battle Against Christs Kingdom?

Weird.

You have horrible reading comprehension skills like many here. I didn't say that at all. I'm not a Premill like you, so I don't see that as describing a time after His return. You are in way over your head in these discussions. You have no discernment whatsoever.