Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

[Taken]

The destruction that occurs upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night is described by Paul as being "sudden".

sudden (adjective): occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning.

Uh huh…
Wrath and Vengeance first before total destruction.

You turn a sudden destruction event, which is one that happens quickly and unexpectedly, into one that lasts 7 years and happens here and there instead. So, I just completely disagree with how you interpret those passages.

Well no. I did not turn Sudden total destruction into a 7 year event.

I included the 7 year event that leads up to the sudden total destruction.

Dividing and Including and Separating is a Seven Year Event…

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A remnant of human men, (believers, but not Saved) survive the seals Judgement, the Trumps Judgements…

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?

They repopulate the earth…they build cities, nations, and have Governors (presidents, kings… whatever Title the shall use.)
Their “kings” rule their “nation”, according to Gods WAY, void of the influence of Satan, and With the Influence of Christ Jesus.

They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense. Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Uh huh…
Wrath and Vengeance first before total destruction.

Where is that indicated in 1 Thess 5:2-3 or 2 Peter 3:10-12?

Well no. I did not turn Sudden total destruction into a 7 year event.

I included the 7 year event that leads up to the sudden total destruction.

Dividing and Including and Separating is a Seven Year Event…

Where do either 2 Peter 3:10-12 or 1 Thess 5:2-3 indicate that total destruction does not occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night?

 

[Taken]

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?

A living man believes…Before he is Saved.
Salvation is a Gift given a man For, calling on the Lord and Confessing his Belief.

People Do believe without Confession.
People Do believe, doubt, believe, deny, believe, are unsure and do not confess.

They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense.

Really? So the first time you heard About God, About Jesus… without Learning Anything about Him, you instantly Believed?

Fascinating!

Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

You are a hoot.
What do you think the purpose of the Gospel is for…. If “like you” you only needed to hear the Words God / Christ Jesus, and supposedly instantly Believed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A living man believes…Before he is Saved.
Salvation is a Gift given a man For, calling on the Lord and Confessing his Belief.

People Do believe without Confession.
People Do believe, doubt, believe, deny, believe, are unsure and do not confess.

Really? So the first time you heard About God, About Jesus… without Learning Anything about Him, you instantly Believed?

Fascinating!

You are a hoot.
What do you think the purpose of the Gospel is for…. If “like you” you only needed to hear the Words God / Christ Jesus, and supposedly instantly Believed.

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him. LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

 

[WPM]

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean?


They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense. Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

Premil operates in the realm of fancy. This is all imaginations in their own minds. Who cares about scriptural warrant when it comes to proving Premil.

They invent people who do not exist or ever will - people that are too wicked to be caught up but to righteous to be destroyed. What a shame. What a lie.

 

[WPM]

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him. LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

This is worthwhile because it exposes Premil as the joke it is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Premil operates in the realm of fancy. This is all imaginations in their own minds. Who cares about scriptural warrant when it comes to proving Premil.

They invent people who do not exist or ever will - people that are too wicked to be caught up but to righteous to be destroyed. What a shame. What a lie.

Agree completely. They try to create a third group of people that is unknown to scripture. Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). That's two groups. He said nothing about an imaginary third group that includes believers who are not saved. You either believe and are with Christ or you don't and you're against Christ. There is no in between.

 

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You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to convince them to fully commit to Him.

LOL. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does scripture speak of this garbage? Nowhere.

It was Jesus who came to Earth. in the Likeness “AS” human man, ( Remember…the Son of Man???), in a Body God Prepared, So Human men “Could” See Him.

Remember, the Human men, who came to Believe, He was the “Son of God”, “Still SAW”, the Body, as the “Son of Man???”

You think Jesus “Returns” “in” His Glory, and unsaved Humans “can See Him, IN His Glory”? No.

Jesus “Returns” in the Likeness “AS” a man, “WITH” His Glory (Power).

Only they WHO can “SEE” His Glory, are They “With Him, WHO themselves have been “raised Glorified”. Uh, the Raptured!

Are you baffled, that Christ the Lord calls Those IN Christ, up to Him, in the Clouds?

Do you imagine, SEEING a mass of human Body’s “Rising up in the Air”?
That would be no.
Humans on Earth…do not See glorified Bodys.

Humans that have become Glorified…shall SEE the Lord, “as He IS”…Glorified.

Humans on Earth, shall SEE Him as A Man.

How did John describe ( what you call garbage )?

John 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Guess who IS WITH Him…His Angels “human men can NOT See, and His saints, (the Raptured risen up in Glorified Bodys), Humans On Earth can not SEE.

1 Thes. 4:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ( the saved, risen up glorified, but obviously, not the doubters, like you, who calls this garbage), ever be with the Lord.

More (garbage, as you say)

1 Jonn 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we ( obviously the Sanctified) the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You think, they “who Have Not been Sanctified” shall See Him, AS He IS?

Nope.

Do you also…SEE “holy angels, as they Are”?
Because they ARE present all over the Earth.

If an Angel (wants you to SEE him, while you are alive in your human body) “he Appears in a Body the LOOKS LIKE a human man.”
Ya think the Lord Jesus, who Is Christ, who IS the Power of God, has LESS Power than an Angel?

Is that knowledge more (garbage) to you?

You reject, because you do not Trust the Knowledge…Because you do not Understand the Knowledge from a Spiritual Standpoint.

And Because you do not Understand from a Spiritual Standpoint, you are Baffled, when men Speak about Spiritual things FROM a Spiritual Standpoint, “that makes no sense to your Carnal understanding”….nor is it supposed to.

Are you unaware there are millions that Believe JESUS “existed”, they Believe “IN JESUS”… but do NOT Believe He IS the Christ?

They are called “believers”
It is they WHO, Believe “Jesus IS the Christ”, who ARE “the converted”, “the confessed”, “the Saved”, “the IN Christ”…”the same who will BE Raptured!”…Claimed and Redeemed BY Christ Jesus and Thereafter with Him wherever He IS…”in the Clouds, in the air, on a white Cloud, on the Earth, in His Kingdom”, like Him….able to take on the LOOK, BODY, that APPARS Like a human, for Humans TO SEE them….just like the Angels DO.

Matt 22:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

How ARE the angels?

Face to face with Humans, in a body that Appears Human, that the Human, IS UNAWARE he is in the presence of A “spirit” Angel.

Be kind to strangers…you never know, it might be an Angel you are in the presence of.