No mortals will survive the second coming of Christ

[tailgator]

We're talking about God here. He could just have us all brought together instantly without any need for travel. Here's a novel idea. He can use His angels to gather the elect and bring them to where He wants them to to be, such as in the air with Jesus and on the new earth for eternity.

Why mess around with the hassle and chaos of people having to travel from all over the world to one location when there is no need for that? Your carnal way of thinking prevents you from seeing the truth in scripture.

Or God could send Paul to Rome and make him travel on a ship.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not the one saying it.
God is.If you don't believe God,then you tell him about it.

This is such a childish response. Do you not ever want to grow up? You just want to talk like a child your whole life? Everyone here believes God and you know it. You know I'm disagreeing with you and would never purposely disagree with God, so why do you say childish things like this? I don't say things like that to you. I know that you intend to believe God, but you misinterpret much of His word, unfortunately. So, ask God for wisdom and don't doubt and He will give it to you (James 1:5-7). Until you do that, you will continue to misinterpret His word.

 

[rwb]

False.
The resurected saints in revelation 20:6 are the resurected saints in revelation 20:4.Theh will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

There is only one 1000 years period mentioned in revelation 20 .If you can comprehend it,It is the sabbath day.

If that's how you read this passage, you don't have very good understanding of Biblical tenses! But believing in Premillennialism it is no wonder, since your doctrine cannot be read FROM the Scriptures, but must be read INTO the Scriptures. That and a lot of guessing is how Premillennialism continues to survive. One other thing with Premillennialism is that it is not concerned about forcing contradictions into the Word of God!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Or God could send Paul to Rome and make him travel on a ship.

LOL. We're not talking about going out and spreading the gospel here. That's total false equivalence.

 

[tailgator]

Abraham had no interest in returning to the land of Canaan. If he had been he could have returned. But Abraham was looking for fulfillment of the promise, everlasting life, not on this earth but in the Kingdom of God in heaven. Read Hebrews 11 if you doubt what I am telling you.

Abraham is buried in the land of Canaan along with Isaac and Jacob and Joseph
Jacob made his son's promise to carry him 300 miles to bury him in Canaan and the children of Jacob carried Joseph for 40 years to bury him there.

 

[tailgator]

This is such a childish response. Do you not ever want to grow up? You just want to talk like a child your whole life? Everyone here believes God and you know it. You know I'm disagreeing with you and would never purposely disagree with God, so why do you say childish things like this? I don't say things like that to you. I know that you intend to believe God, but you misinterpret much of His word, unfortunately. So, ask God for wisdom and don't doubt and He will give it to you (James 1:5-7). Until you do that, you will continue to misinterpret His word.

You ask me if I believe the word of God.The answer is yes.I don't question God as you do

 

[tailgator]

LOL. We're not talking about going out and spreading the gospel here. That's total false equivalence.

Same concept.
If God wants someone to travel somewhere he could cause a fish to carry them there.
God will.probide.

 

[tailgator]

If that's how you read this passage, you don't have very good understanding of Biblical tenses! But believing in Premillennialism it is no wonder, since your doctrine cannot be read FROM the Scriptures, but must be read INTO the Scriptures. That and a lot of guessing is how Premillennialism continues to survive. One other thing with Premillennialism is that it is not concerned about forcing contradictions into the Word of God!

Your the one who doesn't understand.
I understand who these saints are and where they die.This kingdom of saints is a promise God made long ago to a specific people.
These are the same resurected saints in verse ,4 as the resurected saints two verses later.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You ask me if I believe the word of God.The answer is yes.I don't question God as you do

I'm done with your childishness and your lies. I never question God. May He have mercy on your soul for falsely accusing me the way you are.

 

[rwb]

Which comes first, for example? What is recorded in the days of Joshua or what is recorded in Ezekiel 37?

What does the latter say.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold , I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt ; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever : and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Was or was not Ezekiel a prophet? Do prophets typically prophesy about past events or do they typically prophesy about future events? Who lived first? Joshua or Ezekiel?

Can't dwell there forever unless they are in the land first. Some of you must think that Christ is going to be ruling the planet from Dallas, Tx or something. Or maybe Chicago. God forbid that Jesus ever set foot back in the promised land He was born in, then take up residence there. From the beginning of time through when Christ was born, the promised land remained significant. One reason for the dispersion in 70 AD was so that the gospel could spread worldwide eventually.

But once that is accomplished there is no reason for the promised land not to be where Christ will be living and dwelling in. He has to dwell some place when He returns, doesn't He? Does somewhere in the USA, or maybe Canada, or maybe Mexico, sound like valid options? Was He born in any of those places? Did He ever live and dwell in any of those places, or at least visited them when He walked the earth 2000 years ago? There you go then. But let's just ignore all of that, right?

The promise of land was physically fulfilled when Joshua divided the land of Cannan between the physical descendants of Abraham. The prophesy of Ezekiel is being spiritually fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man. You might know this if you ever bothered to use the New Testament to prove all the prophets foretell concerning Christ have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and shall be completely fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man.

 

[tailgator]

I'm done with your childishness and your lies. I never question God. May He have mercy on your soul for falsely accusing me the way you are.

Next time don't ask me to question God.

 

[Davidpt]

There are multiple problems with interpreting Zechariah 14 as referring to a time after Christ returns because it contradicts other scripture. I will go into that if you would just specifically address how you interpret the passages I referenced in the original post. Don't just quote them and say they don't say all unbelievers are killed when Jesus returns and leave it at that. That's useless and proves nothing. Exegete them like I did so I can see exactly how you interpret them.

Let me guess. One of the numerous problems is that it would mean we have to take these sacrifices in the literal sense, that it will be involving animal sacrificing. If that is one of the numerous problems you see, that's not a good argument though since these sacrifices have to be applied to something and to some era of time either before the 2nd coming or after. If meaning before the 2nd coming, no one would take it to mean literal animal sacrificing is meant. Why then would it have to mean that if it is meaning after the 2nd coming? Who made up that rule?

But I would be interested in hearing about all the Scriptures you feel it would be contradicting and the reasons why you think it would be.

This thread is moving fast, I can't seem to keep up. There's still numerous posts I haven't even read yet. I still have a lot of catching up to do. In the meantime what you said in this post caught my attention.

 

[tailgator]

The promise of land was physically fulfilled when Joshua divided the land of Cannan between the physical descendants of Abraham. The prophesy of Ezekiel is being spiritually fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man. You might know this if you ever bothered to use the New Testament to prove all the prophets foretell concerning Christ have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and shall be completely fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man.

False.
Abraham himself has not received the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession.

Abraham bought and paid for a small piece of land for a burial place.No.land was given to him.

 

[tailgator]

The promise of land was physically fulfilled when Joshua divided the land of Cannan between the physical descendants of Abraham. The prophesy of Ezekiel is being spiritually fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man. You might know this if you ever bothered to use the New Testament to prove all the prophets foretell concerning Christ have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and shall be completely fulfilled since Christ came to earth a man.

PS
People being resurected from the their graves is not spiritual.Its a physical event like Lazarus walking out of his tomb.It actually happens.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Next time don't ask me to question God.

I didn't. You have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. I didn't ask you to question God, I asked you to ask Him for wisdom. What's wrong with that? It's a good thing to do (James 1:5-7).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let me guess. One of the numerous problems is that it would mean we have to take these sacrifices in the literal sense, that it will be involving animal sacrificing. If that is one of the numerous problems you see, that's not a good argument though since these sacrifices have to be applied to something and to some era of time either before the 2nd coming or after. If meaning before the 2nd coming, no one would take it to mean literal animal sacrificing is meant. Why then would it have to mean that if it is meaning after the 2nd coming? Who made up that rule?

I don't know what you're saying here. Can you try to be more clear? Please tell me exactly how you interpret Zechariah 14:16-19. But, before you even do that, can you please address what I said in the original post? The fact that you're not doing that is quite telling. If you're as confident about your view as you come across, then why not show how you can reconcile your view with the passages I referenced in the original post?

But I would be interested in hearing about all the Scriptures you feel it would be contradicting and the reasons why you think it would be.

I already referenced them multiple times. Hebrews 8-10 says that Jesus made His "once for all" sacrifice to establish the new covenant while making the old covenant and its animal sacrifices obsolete. The new covenant was far better and a tremendous improvement over the old covenant. So, in light of that, why would God ever want to go back to the old covenant ways?

The other problem I have mentioned in relation to a future literal fulfillment of Zechariah 14:16-19 is that Jesus said in John 4:19-24 that God did not require people go to to Jerusalem anymore to worship Him but instead requires people to worship Him in spirit and in truth. Why would God do that only to again require people to go to Jerusalem to worship Him in the future? I don't believe that makes any sense. Premil requires things to go back to the inferior ways of the old covenant again in the future and I don't believe that makes any sense at all.

This thread is moving fast, I can't seem to keep up. There's still numerous posts I haven't even read yet. I still have a lot of catching up to do. In the meantime what you said in this post caught my attention.

How about reading the original post again and responding to that? That's what I would be interested the most from you.

 

[rwb]

If it turns out that the thousand years are after the 2nd coming after all, does this mean that you will want no part in it, that you will refuse to have part in it? Which would mean you place your will and desires above that of God's. I'm just curious as to Amils thoughts on that since they are adamantly opposed big time to there being the millennium after the 2nd coming. But what if there is? All the thinking there isn't, isn't going to change that fact if turns out there is.

Are you kidding! You have no problem giving people false hope??? What's the matter with you? Why turn to the Lord for everlasting life before He comes again, because there will still be another ONE thousand years for you to turn to Him later. What a lie from the depths of hell!

 

[tailgator]

I didn't. You have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. I didn't ask you to question God, I asked you to ask Him for wisdom. What's wrong with that? It's a good thing to do (James 1:5-7).

I asked for wisdom a few days after I received the holy Ghost inn1998.
Been there done that

 

[tailgator]

Are you kidding! You have no problem giving people false hope??? What's the matter with you? Why turn to the Lord for everlasting life before He comes again, because there will still be another ONE thousand years for you to turn to Him later. What a lie from the depths of hell!

The 1000 years is the Lords Sabbath.
Give him a break.

 

[rwb]

Abraham is buried in the land of Canaan along with Isaac and Jacob and Joseph
Jacob made his son's promise to carry him 300 miles to bury him in Canaan and the children of Jacob carried Joseph for 40 years to bury him there.

Why does that matter? Abraham was looking for an eternal home, whose builder and maker is God. His eyes and heart were set on heaven and not on this earth destined to destruction.