Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thank you.
If what I say makes sense to the Carnal minded, the Lord would not have impressed the need for Spiritual Understanding.

You are as carnal minded as they come, so it makes sense that only you can understand what you're saying.

 

[Taken]

Satan is restrained right now.

No.

That fire is when Christ returns in flaming fire

No.

Perhaps part of the problem is people reading Revelation

Without Spiritual understanding.

If you are premill, then you can not agree with Christ's teaching as in the Parable of the Tares, for one example.

I stand IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN me, secure and fully prepared for The Lords Rapture, prior to the Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven upon the whole world…

 

[Taken]

You are as carnal minded as they come, so it makes sense that only you can understand what you're saying.

Suspicion confirmed,
Too spiritually deep for you.

 

[Taken]

I'm not a Premill like you,

Enjoy the Trib and Wrath.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Enjoy the Trib and Wrath.

Are you afraid of tribulation and hope to avoid it? So much for you having any spiritual discernment. That's how carnal people think.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

As for God's wrath, that only comes upon those who are not saved, so are you trying to say that I'm not saved?

 

[Scott Downey]

No.

No.

Without Spiritual understanding.

I stand IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN me, secure and fully prepared for The Lords Rapture, prior to the Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven upon the whole world…

You do not believe Paul's 2 Thess 2 then?
Paul told us Satan is being restrained right now.
Right before Christ returns, God will remove the restraints.
Satan will be released and allowed to deceive the nations most fully with all power, all sorts of signs and lying wonders to deceive using unrighteous deceptions.
Scripture says ALL POWER, so Satan will be allowed to exercise his full power unrestrained.
Satan can not do that right now.

Read this again

2 Thess 2

The Great Apostasy​

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[claninja]

If you follow the order of events written in Revelation 20, that 11th verse is for after Christ's "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved.

Right, heaven and earth vanish AFTER the 1000 year reign according to revelation 20:11. There is no mention of heaven and earth vanishing away prior to the 1000 year reign in revelation 20. So im trying to clarify your position, as I’m still a little unclear.

So heaven and earth are burned up to prepare for the millennial kingdom, then 1,000 years later, are replaced with a new heaven and new earth? Is that what you are saying?

Peter was not simply giving an allegory there in those 2 Peter 3:8-9 verses. He said in between his coverage of what happens on the day of Christ's future return, and immediately thereafter. The subject of verse 9 ought to be easy to grasp that Peter is pointing to Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the 'unsaved', as Peter says God does not wish that any should perish, so what that's idea of perishing about per Rev.20? It's about the unsaved being cast into the future "lake of fire" at the "second death", for after the "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect. And Peter parenthetically declared that in between his description of the end of this present world on the day of Christ's coming. So no, I refuse to treat that thousand years as a day to God as just allegorical speech, like poetry or something. That is done by those of the Amil school who don't want the future "thousand years" of Christ's reign over the wicked to be understood.

2 Peter 3:8-9 is not allegory. The 1000 years as a day and a day is as 1000 years is not allegory. It’s simply a a way for Peter to state God is outside time. God is not slow concerning the fulfillment of his promises as some concern slowness.

What are the promises that are clearly stated in 2 peter 3?

The Greek word for "reign" in 1 Cor.15:25 is simply the Greek word basileuo (NT:936) and can mean a literal reign or a figurative reign. But thank God that we don't have to rely on guesswork of that Greek word that you are actually doing, because the 24th verse, the 27th verse, and even that phrase "... till He hath put all enemies under His feet" gives us the proper... context there that Christ's enemies must be made His footstool first before the full Godhead manifests per that "that God may be all in all."

Guess work? basileuō (βασιλεύω) is the root word. The word found in the actual text is βασιλεύειν. Which is inflected in the Present Active Infinitive. No guess work needed there. (1 Corinthians 15:25 Greek Text Analysis).

Present: ongoing, continous action
Active: the subject is performing the action
Infinitive: verbal noun (and since there is NO article like "the", βασιλεύω will be adverbial, describing the main verb: Lesson 10 | Infinitives | Grammar Point 1: Present (imperfective) Infinitives

Now, the main verb of 1 Corinthians 15:25 is δεῖ (necessary), which is in the present indicative active - this means paul is stating it is NOW/PRESENTLY necessary. So since βασιλεύω is present active infinitive, with no article, it describes the main verb. In otherwords, Paul states " it is necessary NOW or at PRESENT for Christ to reign until his enemies are made a footstool".

There’s no guess work needed, the text is pretty straightforward in regards to WHEN Christ is reigning - based on the grammar, Paul has Christ already reigning at time he wrote 1 Corinthians 15.

Well yes, that "synagogue of Satan" will still exist after Christ's future return. And those do not simply represent deceived Jews who rejected Christ. They represent Satan's host here on earth that worship him, the crept in unawares of Jude 4 which were ordained to that condemnation of being against The Father and The Son. Those have never... bowed the knee in worship of Christ Jesus at the feet of His elect, nor will they ever do that in this present world time. So if you're having problems grasping that, then you might want to also look at the Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture which is for after Christ's future coming also, that the Amil doctors don't like.

As for your idea of their being resurrected, that assumes all those "synagogue of Satan" means just those scribes and Pharisees that had Lord Jesus crucified at His 1st coming. That's not who all they represent. They even represent Satan worshipers and those who practice the black occult arts today. They represent the "mystery of iniquity" of all generations, and Lord Jesus explained about them after His parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13:36-43. The devil sowed them.

Christ's Messages to the seven Churches in Asia Minor serve as blueprints for all... Christian Churches today. We are to use them to measure what kind... of Church we may be attending. And only two Churches out of the seven Christ had no rebuke for, which represent His very elect. Philadelphia was one of them. Smyrna was the other. So if you want to know which Churches represent His elect that cannot be deceived, then it's those two.

If Satan is locked up in the pit for 1000 years so he can’t deceive, how would there be a synagogue of Satan during the millennium?

It is evident that Christ did not reveal the detail that His future reign would be a "thousand years" starting at His future return until He gave His Revelation through Apostle John to the Church.

Yet Peter and Paul both dropped the hint. It's what the 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Scripture is about. And Peter didn't tell us to not be 'ignorant' that a day to God is like a "thousand years" out of giving some silly allegory only.

The Zechariah 14:16-19 Scriptures, and the Psalms 2 Scripture about Jesus ruling with His "rod of iron" are both beyond a doubt about His future reign over the unsaved, and that's Old Testament Scripture, and not just a 'hint'. So I really don't see Amil having any excuse for trying to deny those Scriptures, or try to prove that Christ's Apostles didn't know about it.

Right, it wasn’t Revealed until the book of revelation came out, which was post the deaths of Peter, Paul, James , Peter, etc…. so it seems these “hints” appear to be you reading revelations millennium into the text, and not necessarily Peter or Paul tip toeing around the subject, requiring readers to read between the lines for some unknown reason.

 

[Taken]

Are you afraid of tribulation and hope to avoid it?

You ask about of “fear” of “tribulation”.
I spoke expressly about “enjoying” “the” tribulation.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.[/B]

You give a Scriptural quote regarding, Tribulation of “man AGAINST man”.

In Context: Acts 14, Men tried to Kill Paul.

Acts 14:
[19] And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

Obviously… ( by quoting Acts 14)
You are speaking About “tribulations” of men Against men, which historically AND to this day…
Not a news flash;
Men have, do, will CAUSE tribulations AGAINST men.

I was expressly speaking of “the” tribulations To Be Sent Down from Heaven.
That “Cause” is “Spirit Against Man”.

First, Trib sent Down From Heaven…
From The Lamb of God.
His Wrath, His Anger, for being Rejected.
Rev. 6:
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Second, Trib sent From Heaven…
From the Devil.
His Wrath, His Anger, for being Rejected.
Rev 12:
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Third Trib Sent from Heaven…
From God.
His Wrath, His Anger, His Vengeance, for being Rejected. For Indignation and unrighteousness Against Him and His People.
Rev 16:
[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

I experience, but do not Fear nor ENJOY the tribulations and wrath of men AGAINST me.

I am well Aware of “the” end Days Tribulations and Wrath…of the Lamb, the Devil, Of God…Upon the Earth…Is Spirit Against Men….

I am Well Aware, IF a man IS Alive “Upon the Earth”, (without Gods Seal in his Forehead), Such man SHALL, suffer the Horrific Effects of:
The Lambs, the Devils, Gods Tribulations and Wrath.

I am well AWARE…of Gods Ancient Tribulations and Wrath God SENT Down from Heaven, “UPON” the Earth.

I am well Aware of Gods INTENT to Destroy Mankind “Upon the Earth, with the Earth”.

I am well Aware of WHY and HOW God Accomplished His INTENT to Destroy Mankind UPON the Earth, with the Earth.

I am well AWARE, God provided the ONLY (being only 8 in number, of All of manKIND) Faithful TO God, a Way and Means TO Prepare For an ESCAPE from Gods Tribulations to come UPON the Whole World.

I am AWARE the (8 of all of manKIND), prepared AS GOD INSTRUCTED.

I am AWARE God WAS FAITHFUL, and the Faithful (8) WHO Prepared, WERE Lifted Up…ABOVE the Earth, and Suffered NOT, Gods Tribulations, Wrath, Death and Destruction “UPON” the Earth.

Obviously you Are NOT AWARE of The significance of Ancient History, Nothing new under the Sun, A Repeat of Spiritual Tribulations and Wrath SHALL be Sent Down From Heaven.
AGAIN, The PREPARED FAITHFUL, SHALL BE Lift Up From the Face Of The Earth and ESCAPE Gods Tribulations, Wrath, Vengeance AGAINST “the Unprepared and Unrighteous”.


@Spiritual Israelite “As for God's wrath, that only comes upon those who are not saved, so are you trying to say that I'm not saved?”

Seems you are the one implying, IF you are Alive When “the latter days of Spiritual Tribulations and Wrath Are Sent Down from Heaven, you are Not Prepared, and SHALL Be UPON the face of the Earth To Suffer such “Tribulations of Spirit AGAINST manKIND upon the Earth.”

 

[Taken]

You do not believe Paul's 2 Thess 2 then?
Paul told us Satan is being restrained right now.

You made a blanket statement, which can be misleading, without CONTEXT.

Is Satan “restrained” right Now From “influencing human men”…. Broadly No.

Do “the Few”, IN Christ, have a “greater Power with-IN them, to Resist Satans “influence” ? Yes.

Does the Majority of men “in this World possess the Power of God “IN” them to “resist” Satan’s “cunning influence and temptations”? No.

Right before Christ returns, God will remove the restraints.

These “are specific restraints”.
Presently…human men, occupy positions of Governorship over Nations (Titled: governors, presidents, emperors, chairman, kings, etc.)
* The restraints regarding Satan…(nearing future)…IS:
“he assuming the “position” over ALL World Nations, declaring “himself” god.”

In context.

* Presently Satan is “restrained” from “assuming” that such “specific position”.
* Near Future… “THAT Restraint, shall be lifted”.

Historically and Presently Satan is “unrestrained” from influencing millions of men “of” this world.

Presently Satan is “restrained” from influencing men “IN” this world (in Christ), they being NOT “of” this World.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

You made a blanket statement, which can be misleading, without CONTEXT.

Is Satan “restrained” right Now From “influencing human men”…. Broadly No.

Do “the Few”, IN Christ, have a “greater Power with-IN them, to Resist Satans “influence” ? Yes.

Does the Majority of men “in this World possess the Power of God “IN” them to “resist” Satan’s “cunning influence and temptations”? No.




These “are specific restraints”.
Presently…human men, occupy positions of Governorship over Nations (Titled: governors, presidents, emperors, chairman, kings, etc.)
* The restraints regarding Satan…(nearing future)…IS:
“he assuming the “position” over ALL World Nations, declaring “himself” god.”

In context.

* Presently Satan is “restrained” from “assuming” that such “specific position”.
* Near Future… “THAT Restraint, shall be lifted”.

Historically and Presently Satan is “unrestrained” from influencing millions of men “of” this world.

Presently Satan is “restrained” from influencing men “IN” this world (in Christ), they being NOT “of” this World.

Glory to God,
Taken

You broadly stated Satan was not restrained when you simply said no, he is not restrained.

 

[Davy]

Right, heaven and earth vanish AFTER the 1000 year reign according to revelation 20:11. There is no mention of heaven and earth vanishing away prior to the 1000 year reign in revelation 20. So im trying to clarify your position, as I’m still a little unclear.

As I have mentioned before, not many actually understand just how God's Word reveals that idea of the heavens and earth passing away. It actually does not 'literally' pass away, because it in reality points to this 2nd world earth age is what will pass away. And that includes the heavenly realm being changed also. Most only think of those things in the fleshy sense, which will not reveal how God's Word defines it. If you fail to grasp that according to God's written Word, and try to use your fleshy mind instead, you won't understand it until you either die or at Christ's future coming. Everyone will understand when Jesus comes, because the heavenly dimension is going to be opened up to everyone on that day. The world to come on the day of Lord Jesus' coming will not be one with us in flesh bodies anymore. Apostle Paul even showed those still alive on earth on that day will be "changed" at the "last trump", remember?

So heaven and earth are burned up to prepare for the millennial kingdom, then 1,000 years later, are replaced with a new heaven and new earth? Is that what you are saying?

No, MAN'S WORKS are what will be burned off this earth. This earth is forever like the Psalms 104 Scripture says. And I already referenced Zechariah 14 which is about after Jesus' coming showing He comes to an EXISTING earth, and not some asteroid belt, so what's the problem? Why can't you understand that as written? Or is it that you do not want... to understand that? And if not, why is that?

 

[Taken]

You broadly stated Satan was not restrained when you simply said no, he is not restrained.

And, further elaborated, on point of context, regarding restraint of what action.

 

[Taken]

As I have mentioned before, not many actually understand just how God's Word reveals that idea of the heavens and earth passing away. It actually does not 'literally' pass away, because it in reality points to this 2nd world earth age is what will pass away. And that includes the heavenly realm being changed also. Most only think of those things in the fleshy sense, which will not reveal how God's Word defines it. If you fail to grasp that according to God's written Word, and try to use your fleshy mind instead, you won't understand it until you either die or at Christ's future coming. Everyone will understand when Jesus comes, because the heavenly dimension is going to be opened up to everyone on that day. The world to come on the day of Lord Jesus' coming will not be one with us in flesh bodies anymore. Apostle Paul even showed those still alive on earth on that day will be "changed" at the "last trump", remember?



No, MAN'S WORKS are what will be burned off this earth. This earth is forever like the Psalms 104 Scripture says. And I already referenced Zechariah 14 which is about after Jesus' coming showing He comes to an EXISTING earth, and not some asteroid belt, so what's the problem? Why can't you understand that as written? Or is it that you do not want... to understand that? And if not, why is that?

Yes, this is a world without end.

All of Gods Creations Remain.
It is the “Making” of Gods Creations that has and will “continue”, Until all creations have Become “changed”, “perfected” and With the Lord God…
Or “changed” and “separated” From the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[claninja]

Why can't you understand that as written? Or is it that you do not want... to understand that? And if not, why is that?

It's not necessarily that I can't understand what was written. It's more that I'm having a hard time following your explanation for your view on how you believe it should be understood. That's why I'm asking clarifying questions.

As I have mentioned before, not many actually understand just how God's Word reveals that idea of the heavens and earth passing away. It actually does not 'literally' pass away, because it in reality points to this 2nd world earth age is what will pass away. And that includes the heavenly realm being changed also. Most only think of those things in the fleshy sense, which will not reveal how God's Word defines it. If you fail to grasp that according to God's written Word, and try to use your fleshy mind instead, you won't understand it until you either die or at Christ's future coming. Everyone will understand when Jesus comes, because the heavenly dimension is going to be opened up to everyone on that day. The world to come on the day of Lord Jesus' coming will not be one with us in flesh bodies anymore. Apostle Paul even showed those still alive on earth on that day will be "changed" at the "last trump", remember?



No, MAN'S WORKS are what will be burned off this earth. This earth is forever like the Psalms 104 Scripture says. And I already referenced Zechariah 14 which is about after Jesus' coming showing He comes to an EXISTING earth, and not some asteroid belt, so what's the problem?

Ok, so it seems you are saying the literal earth is forever (psalm 104), therefore when the Bible talks about heaven and earth passing away or vanishing (2 peter 3, Revelation 6, revelation 20, etc...), it's not literal the physical heaven and earth disappearing, but is instead should be metaphorically understood for the works of man being burned off the earth and the heavenly realm being changed/opened up to everyone?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You ask about of “fear” of “tribulation”.
I spoke expressly about “enjoying” “the” tribulation.

You're talking about thinking the rapture will occur before the tribulation. That isn't what scripture teaches. Jesus said it will occur AFTER the tribulation of those days (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27). So, it makes me wonder if you believe that just because you are afraid of tribulation.

You give a Scriptural quote regarding, Tribulation of “man AGAINST man”.

In Context: Acts 14, Men tried to Kill Paul.

Acts 14:
[19] And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

Obviously… ( by quoting Acts 14)
You are speaking About “tribulations” of men Against men, which historically AND to this day…
Not a news flash;
Men have, do, will CAUSE tribulations AGAINST men.

I was expressly speaking of “the” tribulations To Be Sent Down from Heaven.
That “Cause” is “Spirit Against Man”.

First, Trib sent Down From Heaven…
From The Lamb of God.
His Wrath, His Anger, for being Rejected.
Rev. 6:
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Second, Trib sent From Heaven…
From the Devil.
His Wrath, His Anger, for being Rejected.
Rev 12:
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Third Trib Sent from Heaven…
From God.
His Wrath, His Anger, His Vengeance, for being Rejected. For Indignation and unrighteousness Against Him and His People.
Rev 16:
[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

I experience, but do not Fear nor ENJOY the tribulations and wrath of men AGAINST me.

I am well Aware of “the” end Days Tribulations and Wrath…of the Lamb, the Devil, Of God…Upon the Earth…Is Spirit Against Men….

I am Well Aware, IF a man IS Alive “Upon the Earth”, (without Gods Seal in his Forehead), Such man SHALL, suffer the Horrific Effects of:
The Lambs, the Devils, Gods Tribulations and Wrath.

I am well AWARE…of Gods Ancient Tribulations and Wrath God SENT Down from Heaven, “UPON” the Earth.

I am well Aware of Gods INTENT to Destroy Mankind “Upon the Earth, with the Earth”.

I am well Aware of WHY and HOW God Accomplished His INTENT to Destroy Mankind UPON the Earth, with the Earth.

I am well AWARE, God provided the ONLY (being only 8 in number, of All of manKIND) Faithful TO God, a Way and Means TO Prepare For an ESCAPE from Gods Tribulations to come UPON the Whole World.

I am AWARE the (8 of all of manKIND), prepared AS GOD INSTRUCTED.

I am AWARE God WAS FAITHFUL, and the Faithful (8) WHO Prepared, WERE Lifted Up…ABOVE the Earth, and Suffered NOT, Gods Tribulations, Wrath, Death and Destruction “UPON” the Earth.

Obviously you Are NOT AWARE of The significance of Ancient History, Nothing new under the Sun, A Repeat of Spiritual Tribulations and Wrath SHALL be Sent Down From Heaven.
AGAIN, The PREPARED FAITHFUL, SHALL BE Lift Up From the Face Of The Earth and ESCAPE Gods Tribulations, Wrath, Vengeance AGAINST “the Unprepared and Unrighteous”.

It's not even worth taking any time to respond to this gibberish.

@Spiritual Israelite “As for God's wrath, that only comes upon those who are not saved, so are you trying to say that I'm not saved?”

Seems you are the one implying, IF you are Alive When “the latter days of Spiritual Tribulations and Wrath Are Sent Down from Heaven, you are Not Prepared, and SHALL Be UPON the face of the Earth To Suffer such “Tribulations of Spirit AGAINST manKIND upon the Earth.”

Was the question too hard for you to answer? You indicated that you think I will miss the rapture and God's wrath will come down upon me. So, that would indicate that you think I'm not saved. Do you believe that I'm not saved? Yes or no?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, MAN'S WORKS are what will be burned off this earth.

You're referring to man's evil works, right? Isn't the point to remove wickedness from the earth? Why then do you allow for wickedness to continue on the earth after that? Wouldn't man's works being burned off this earth result in the new earth where righteousness dwells that Peter said we should look for in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13)?

This earth is forever like the Psalms 104 Scripture says. And I already referenced Zechariah 14 which is about after Jesus' coming showing He comes to an EXISTING earth, and not some asteroid belt, so what's the problem? Why can't you understand that as written? Or is it that you do not want... to understand that? And if not, why is that?

You waste so much time making straw man arguments. No one is talking about the earth being completely annihilated. It will be made new...but when? Amills say it will happen when Christ returns. It seems to me that man's works being burned off the earth would result in the new earth. Why don't you think so?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ok, so it seems you are saying the literal earth is forever (psalm 104), therefore when the Bible talks about heaven and earth passing away or vanishing (2 peter 3, Revelation 6, revelation 20, etc...), it's not literal the physical heaven and earth disappearing, but is instead should be metaphorically understood for the works of man being burned off the earth and the heavenly realm being changed/opened up to everyone?

Even in that case, the question he should answer is why would that not result in the new earth that Peter said we are looking for (along with the new heavens) where righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13)? Heaven and earth passing away, no matter how that is understood, implies a new heaven and new earth being ushered in to replace the current heaven and earth.

 

[claninja]

Even in that case, the question he should answer is why would that not result in the new earth that Peter said we are looking for (along with the new heavens) where righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13)? Heaven and earth passing away, no matter how that is understood, implies a new heaven and new earth being ushered in to replace the current heaven and earth.

It’s because Peter only “hinted” at the millennium, he didn’t really know the full details yet, since the revelation had not “revealed” prior to his death…………….
Not sure why Jesus would wait until after the deaths of the apostles to fully “reveal” the true chronology of the eschaton?

Revelation 20 doesn’t mention anything about the heavens and earth passing away, whether figurative or literal, until AFTER the millennium (revelation 20:11), so I’m trying to understand why @Davy has it taking place BEFORE the millennium?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s because Peter only “hinted” at the millennium, he didn’t really know the full details yet, since the revelation had not “revealed” prior to his death…

Yeah, that's the Premill argument, but it's a very weak one.

Not sure why Jesus would wait until after the deaths of the apostles to fully “reveal” the true chronology of the eschaton?

He wouldn't.

Revelation 20 doesn’t mention anything about the heavens and earth passing away, whether figurative or literal, until AFTER the millennium (revelation 20:11), so I’m trying to understand why @Davy has it taking place BEFORE the millennium?

He won't address that. Any time a question is asked regarding something he says that doesn't make any sense he either doesn't respond at all or he responds with an angry rant that does not answer the question.

 

[Scott Downey]

It’s because Peter only “hinted” at the millennium, he didn’t really know the full details yet, since the revelation had not “revealed” prior to his death…………….
Not sure why Jesus would wait until after the deaths of the apostles to fully “reveal” the true chronology of the eschaton?

Revelation 20 doesn’t mention anything about the heavens and earth passing away, whether figurative or literal, until AFTER the millennium (revelation 20:11), so I’m trying to understand why @Davy has it taking place BEFORE the millennium?

Peter tells us the restoration of all things will be at the return of Christ in Acts 3
Paul and Peter also tells us the return of Christ is a sudden destruction

What do we get after a sudden destruction? A new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
So, we can know they are made for His people to dwell in and God will dwell with men, and not any wicked will be there EVER AGAIN.

17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.

22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”