Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[rwb]

Please give me scripture that says that

The mortal, dead body of Christ went into the grave where it remained for three days. The spirit that gave His body physical life returned to heaven.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

While the physical body of Christ lay dead, the spirit of Christ ALIVE through the power of God, after first ascending to heaven went into the place of Old called "Abraham's bosom" (lower parts of the earth) and set the captives of death from Old free, taking their spirit (living souls) to heaven to wait for time given this earth to be no longer.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

[WPM]

KJV doent translate as ththat

So?

 

[covenantee]

KJV doent translate as that

Neither do other translations.

I'm confident that Strong's Greek is better than yours.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

KJV doent translate as that

So, you think we should just ignore the original text that was written in Greek?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why would those who already possess eternal/everlasting life through the Spirit of Christ within them need a physical body to have life?

We don't, of course. Look at what she was willing to resort to in order to support her doctrine and make it fit Revelation 20:6. Trying to say that those who are alive when Christ comes will be resurrected? No. They will be alive. No resurrection is necessary for them since only the dead are resurrected.

Revelation 20:6 presents a major problem for Premills as they have to somehow explain how those believers who are alive when Jesus comes can avoid the second death since they will not take part in a bodily resurrection. But, we know that a bodily resurrection is not necessary in order for the second death to not have power over us.

 

[Doug]

Where is the evidence to back up what you're saying? Why was the book addressed to churches consisting of Jew and Gentile believers in the ancient Roman province of Asia if the book centers on Israel? Why wasn't it addressed to Israel instead if that was the case?

There is not a consensus in regard to who the churches are

 

[Doug]

Your false teaching forces you to butcher much Scripture. Are not convicted by the Holy Spirit about this?

Please provide scriptural arguments

 

[Doug]

Yes, he is, calling them all "strangers" on the earth. The "elect" of God, those He hath begotten by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead (1Pe 1:3). The letter is not limited to believers of Old, ethnic Jews the "remnant of Israel". It is to ALL "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (vs 5)

If you say 1 Peter is to all believers then please show me where all are called a priesthood

 

[Doug]

The mortal, dead body of Christ went into the grave where it remained for three days. The spirit that gave His body physical life returned to heaven.

Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

While the physical body of Christ lay dead, the spirit of Christ ALIVE through the power of God, after first ascending to heaven went into the place of Old called "Abraham's bosom" (lower parts of the earth) and set the captives of death from Old free, taking their spirit (living souls) to heaven to wait for time given this earth to be no longer.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Here is what I said needed to be supported by scripture......After Calvary, the elect followed Jesus in spirit to paradise.,,,,sorry but you have provided no scriptural passage to support this.......Ephesians doe not say the elect of God was led

 

[Doug]

So?

you saying they are sojourners doesn't refute other passages in 1 Peter that only relate this epistle being directed to Israel in 1 Peter 2:9....Gentiles are never said to be a priesthood

 

[Doug]

So, you think we should just ignore the original text that was written in Greek?

Sorry not going there .....I was looking up how the KJV translated that word.....I shouldnt have even done that.....leads nowhere

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is not a consensus in regard to who the churches are

What does this mean?

Is there more than one way to interpret this verse:

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Those were all churches that existed when John wrote the book. Do you deny that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you say 1 Peter is to all believers then please show me where all are called a priesthood

You were shown that when I showed you Revelation 1:5-6 and then you responded by saying the book of Revelation is addressed to the remnant of Israel, which is clearly not true.

 

[Doug]

Those were all churches that existed when John wrote the book. Do you deny that?

I dont say it is right or not.....I am just saying I am not being dogmatic about who these churches are....some say they are representee of church history,,,,some say they are future churches in the tribulation

 

[Doug]

So, you think we should just ignore the original text that was written in Greek?

its already been translated...I am not fluent in greek

 

[Doug]

You were shown that when I showed you Revelation 1:5-6 and then you responded by saying the book of Revelation is addressed to the remnant of Israel, which is clearly not true.

You were shown that when I showed you Revelation 1:5-6 and then you responded by saying the book of Revelation is addressed to the remnant of Israel, which is clearly not true.

Rev 1:5-6 does not say all believers....it says us....who is us....I say its believing Israel (Exodus 19: 5-6

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I dont say it is right or not.....I am just saying I am not being dogmatic about who these churches are....some say they are representee of church history,,,,some say they are future churches in the tribulation

In no way, shape or form does the text indicate those things. There were actual churches in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea in the Roman province of Asia at the time John wrote the book.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 1:5-6 does not say all believers....it says us....who is us....I say its believing Israel (Exodus 19: 5-6

Again, the book was addressed to seven churches in the ancient Roman province of Asia, not to Israel. You are making the text say what you want it to say instead of accepting what it actually says.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

its already been translated...I am not fluent in greek

We have Greek resources that show us what the Greek words in the original text mean. We don't need to rely completely on the translators. If you read multiple English translations you can see that the translators didn't always agree with each other on how the Hebrew and Greek should be translated. I showed you that Matthew 25:31-46 is not referring to the judgment of nations, but rather individuals. But, if you just read the text without thinking about what it really means you would conclude that it's talking about judging nations, as you had previously thought.

 

[Doug]

In no way, shape or form does the text indicate those things. There were actual churches in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea in the Roman province of Asia at the time John wrote the book.

I would like to know that please give me that scripture