Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Spiritual Israelite]

yes
The believing remnant of Israel was told they would be priests.......the Gentiles were blessed to enter the kingdom as part of the remnant but their function is not detailed that I know of

So, just to be clear, you think the book of Revelation is addressed to the believing remnant of Israel? Is that what the book itself says?

Revelation 1:4 John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

 

[covenantee]

yes
The believing remnant of Israel was told they would be priests.......the Gentiles were blessed to enter the kingdom as part of the remnant but their function is not detailed that I know of

1 Peter 2
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

That "ye" is the Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. It includes both. Peter describes it earlier using the construction metaphor unique to the Church in the NT:

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[Doug]

So, just to be clear, you think the book of Revelation is addressed to the believing remnant of Israel? Is that what the book itself says?

Revelation 1:4 John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

I dont say it was addressed to the remnant.....Revelations is centered on Israel.....the remnant is spoken about....the book reveals Christ

 

[Doug]

1 Peter 2
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

That "ye" is the Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. It includes both. Peter describes it earlier using the construction metaphor unique to the Church in the NT:

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Israel was said to be priests......Peter was writing to believing Israel.....show a verse where Paul says we are priests please

 

[covenantee]

[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Israel was said to be priests......Peter was writing to believing Israel.....show a verse where Paul says we are priests please

1 Peter 2:5,9 are unquestionably the Church.

Where is the Church limited to only believing Israel?

 

[Doug]

1 Peter 2:5,9 are unquestionably the Church.

Where is the Church limited to only believing Israel?

Peter was writing to scattered believers in 1 Peter 1:1.....Gentiles could not be scattered into their own lands.....that church was made up of the believing remnant of Israel....today Christ revealed the body of Christ to Paul, the body of Christ which is our church....there is not just one church in scripture

 

[covenantee]

Peter was writing to scattered believers in 1 Peter 1:1.....Gentiles could not be scattered into their own lands.....that church was made up of the believing remnant of Israel....today Christ revealed the body of Christ to Paul, the body of Christ which is our church....there is not just one church in scripture

1 Peter 1:1 Greek

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parepidēmois
παρεπιδήμοις
sojourners
Adj-DMP

"one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1"

 

[Marilyn C]

Not really. You missed the point. Let's look at the verse he was referencing.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The point being made about this verse is that it indicates that sharing in (having part in) the first resurrection is a requirement for avoiding the second death (the lake of fire - Rev 20:14-15). With that in mind, how can those who haven't died and are alive when Jesus comes avoid the second death since they will not take part in a bodily resurrection because they will not die and instead will be immediately changed to put on bodily immortality?

The word `resurrection` in the Greek `anastasis,` means a standing up, that should rise.

And that is exactly what will happen to believers alive when the Lord comes. With their new bodies they will `arise,` their mortal will have put on immortality and their corruptible will have put on incorruptible.

 

[WPM]

Yes for us now but not back then.......they went to Abraham's bosom

After Calvary, the elect followed Jesus in spirit to paradise.

You have yet to present one single Scripture that teaches Hades is or was paradise. All we have are your opinions.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I dont say it was addressed to the remnant.....Revelations is centered on Israel.....the remnant is spoken about....the book reveals Christ

Where is the evidence to back up what you're saying? Why was the book addressed to churches consisting of Jew and Gentile believers in the ancient Roman province of Asia if the book centers on Israel? Why wasn't it addressed to Israel instead if that was the case?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The word `resurrection` in the Greek `anastasis,` means a standing up, that should rise.

It means to be resurrected from the dead.

And that is exactly what will happen to believers alive when the Lord comes. With their new bodies they will `arise,` their mortal will have put on immortality and their corruptible will have put on incorruptible.

Wrong. This is an obvious case of trying to make scripture say what you want it to say. Living believers will NOT be resurrected when the Lord comes because only the dead are resurrected. Those who are bodily dead will be bodily resurrected. Those who are alive when He comes will be immediately changed to put on bodily immortality, but NOT resurrected.

 

[WPM]

Peter was writing to scattered believers in 1 Peter 1:1.....Gentiles could not be scattered into their own lands.....that church was made up of the believing remnant of Israel....today Christ revealed the body of Christ to Paul, the body of Christ which is our church....there is not just one church in scripture

Your false teaching forces you to butcher much Scripture. Are not convicted by the Holy Spirit about this?

 

[WPM]

1 Peter 1:1 Greek

3927 [e]
parepidēmois
παρεπιδήμοις
sojourners
Adj-DMP

"one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1"

Why are we even having to fight such battles? This is so obvious.

 

[covenantee]

Why are we even have to fight such battles? This is so obvious.

They refuse to recognize that God is not a racist.

And they'll probably never change.

 

[Marilyn C]

It means to be resurrected from the dead.


Wrong. This is an obvious case of trying to make scripture say what you want it to say. Living believers will NOT be resurrected when the Lord comes because only the dead are resurrected. Those who are bodily dead will be bodily resurrected. Those who are alive when He comes will be immediately changed to put on bodily immortality, but NOT resurrected.

The Greek word `anastasis` meaning standing up, can also be resurrection from the death, or a moral recovery, or raised to life again, or that should rise. Multiple meanings there and not just `from death.

The believers will stand up, incorruptible and immortal.

 

[Doug]

1 Peter 1:1 Greek

3927 [e]
parepidēmois
παρεπιδήμοις
sojourners
Adj-DMP

"one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1"

KJV doent translate as that

 

[Doug]

After Calvary, the elect followed Jesus in spirit to paradise.

Please give me scripture that says that

 

[rwb]

You are quoting Rev. 20: 6 regarding those who overcame the A/C and who were beheaded. (Rev. 20: 4) They certainly are resurrected as they died.

How can believers who are alive when Jesus comes for His Body, miss out on `resurrection to life.` Jesus is eternal life and that is what we have, and just need our physical bodies to be resurrected from this earthly body to a spiritual body. (1Cor. 15: 44)

Why would those who already possess eternal/everlasting life through the Spirit of Christ within them need a physical body to have life?

If we believe the life we receive in Christ by grace through faith is indeed forever (and it is), we continue to be alive when our body has died. We don't need to be resurrected to be alive, we ARE alive through Christ. These disembodied (headless) saints John saw were not physically resurrected, because death of the body could not kill them. (Mt. 10:28) After physical death they continued to be living souls in heaven the spiritual body of Christ there. Because when the body of believers dies, our spirit (alive/living soul) returns to God.

1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We know the resurrection of the physical body for ALL who have died and buried shall be resurrected to life again in an hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds and time given this earth shall be no longer. That resurrection coming will be resurrection to immortal & incorruptible physical life or resurrected to damnation.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Corinthians 15:48-53 (KJV) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[rwb]

Peter was writing to scattered believers in 1 Peter 1:1.....Gentiles could not be scattered into their own lands.....that church was made up of the believing remnant of Israel....today Christ revealed the body of Christ to Paul, the body of Christ which is our church....there is not just one church in scripture

Yes, he is, calling them all "strangers" on the earth. The "elect" of God, those He hath begotten by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead (1Pe 1:3). The letter is not limited to believers of Old, ethnic Jews the "remnant of Israel". It is to ALL "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (vs 5)

 

[rwb]

The word `resurrection` in the Greek `anastasis,` means a standing up, that should rise.

And that is exactly what will happen to believers alive when the Lord comes. With their new bodies they will `arise,` their mortal will have put on immortality and their corruptible will have put on incorruptible.

Yes, when the Lord comes again the body of believers shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible made alive again through our eternal living spirit that shall return with Christ when He comes again.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Believers don't wait to have immortal & incorruptible body of flesh to be alive after physical death! We are alive with Christ in heaven after physical death (living souls/spiritual body) because the life we received when we were born again "shall never die"!

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?