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Davy

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You know a lot about being a vain talker and teaching things which you ought not, like Premillennialism.

I wonder what Christ's Apostles would say to you about that, since ALL... of the 1st century Apostles and early Church fathers were Premillennialists! They were Premill in the 1st century because man's FALSE AMILL THEORY did not creep into the Church until the 2nd century A.D.

Why would they be Premill, one might ask? Because that is what the order of events written in God's Word is.
 

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I wonder what Christ's Apostles would say to you about that, since ALL... of the 1st century Apostles and early Church fathers were Premillennialists! They were Premill in the 1st century because man's FALSE AMILL THEORY did not creep into the Church until the 2nd century A.D.

Why would they be Premill, one might ask? Because that is what the order of events written in God's Word is.
Does premil know where David's literal physical throne is? :laughing:
 

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Does premil know where David's literal physical throne is? :laughing:

I don't know, go to a seminary that teaches Premill and ask them. I only know what God's Word teaches, and Christ Jesus well knew and knows, where David's throne is...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me,
in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
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The FACT... that Lord Jesus gave that time of His inheriting His throne (i.e., David's throne) at the SAME time when His 12 Apostles inherit their promised thrones over the future 12 tribes, PROVES beyond all doubt that Jesus has NOT YET inherited David's throne today!
 
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Why don't you just go to bed, and quit staying up all night trying to think up testings against me like the blind Pharisees did with trying to trap Jesus and His saints in a lie?
I'm waiting for an omniscient premiller like you to tell me where David's literal physical throne is, the one that you say Jesus will sit in. :laughing:
 
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I don't know, go to a seminary that teaches Premill and ask them. I only know what God's Word teaches
LOL. What a weak response. If God's Word supposedly teaches that Jesus will sit on David's literal, phsyical throne then you should be able to tell us where it is and show us pictures of it.

, and Christ Jesus well knew and knows, where David's throne is...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me,
in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

The FACT... that Lord Jesus gave that time of His inheriting His throne (i.e., David's throne) at the SAME time when His 12 Apostles inherit their promised thrones over the future 12 tribes, PROVES beyond all doubt that Jesus has NOT YET inherited David's throne today!
That proves NOTHING! Where is David's throne referenced there? NOWHERE. And you continue to ignore Peter's explanation for how Jesus was RAISED UP to David's throne when He was RAISED UP from the dead (Acts 2:29-36).
 
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I'm waiting for an omniscient premiller like you to tell me where David's literal physical throne is, the one that you say Jesus will sit in. :laughing:
Right. I'm not finding his argument to be very convincing when, in this day and age, it should not be difficult to locate said throne if it still exists and provide some pictures. It seems that the evidence of the current existence of that throne is as legitimate as the evidence proving that aliens from outer space exist.
 
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I'm waiting for an omniscient premiller like you to tell me where David's literal physical throne is, the one that you say Jesus will sit in. :laughing:
Go back and study that Matthew 19:28 verse by Lord Jesus Himself, and you will then understand, that is, IF... you heed it as written.
 

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Right. I'm not finding his argument to be very convincing when, in this day and age, it should not be difficult to locate said throne if it still exists and provide some pictures. It seems that the evidence of the current existence of that throne is as legitimate as the evidence proving that aliens from outer space exist.

Nah... you are just biased just like covenantee is, so the Truth doesn't matter to you guys, yal only care about winning an argument, which you have yet to do. Just about everytime I quote a Bible Scripture to you guys (even like the Matthew 19:28 verse), you reject it and won't address it. Doing that tells me you guys are not really here to admonish the brethren in Christ, but instead to create confusion and chaos.
 

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Nah... you are just biased just like covenantee is, so the Truth doesn't matter to you guys, yal only care about winning an argument, which you have yet to do.
LOL. Your responses continue to get weaker and weaker. Maybe you should stop and step back and actually think about why you twist scriptures like Acts 2:29-36 to fit your doctrine and why believing what you want to believe is more important to you than just believing what scripture teaches.

Just about everytime I quote a Bible Scripture to you guys (even like the Matthew 19:28 verse), you reject it and won't address it.
Yes, we reject your false interpretations. So what? But, it's a lie to say we won't address it. I have addressed it multiple times. Show me again where that verse mentions David's throne? Oh yeah, it doesn't. Try again.

Doing that tells me you guys are not really here to admonish the brethren in Christ, but instead to create confusion and chaos.
Total nonsense. Your many empty words mean nothing. Tell me again where David's literal throne is. And where can I go online to find some pictures of it?
 
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Go back and study that Matthew 19:28 verse by Lord Jesus Himself, and you will then understand, that is, IF... you heed it as written.
Copy/paste Matthew 19:28 and highlight the root word "David" in it.

In red bold italics so I'll be sure not to miss it. :laughing:
 
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Copy/paste Matthew 19:28 and highlight the root word "David" in it.

In red bold italics so I'll be sure not to miss it. :laughing:
Yeah, I can't seem to find it, either, but maybe his vision is better than ours or we're not looking at the right translation or something? Let's see what he comes up with.
 
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We were talking about Zechariah 13:7. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ's return. To believer otherwise is beyond foolish.
Again, it’s transparent you’re trying to avoid that Acts 2:29-36 can’t be interpreted properly by side-stepping passages like Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes amill and postmill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). To believe otherwise is foolish. The passages all verify that Acts 2:29-36 must be interpreted that Christ was raised to sit at his Father’s throne until his Father makes his Son’s enemies his footstool (Hebrews 10:12-13) and then Christ returns to rule on David’s throne, which is on earth and not in heaven,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ESV

What do you mean "As for Zechariah 13:7?". That's what we were talking about. What were you referring to in your statement above?

You’d like to distract me from the over-all interpretation of the scattering of the sheep in the Old and NT, but you won’t succeed. It’s transparent you’re just trying to avoid the OT passages that ordained the scattering of the sheep throughout the world at Christ’s first advent, which vindicates the scattering has more than one meaning. “Woe be unto the pastors” for “scattering the flock,” cries Christ in Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34. Furthermore, the sowing of the good seed in Christ’s parable is just another metaphor for the scattering conveyed in Jeremiah 31:1-2, 27-38; Ezekiel 34:25-31; Hosea 2:14-23; Zechariah 10:7-9.

LOL. You probably think Paul changed the meaning of the scriptures when He said that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ (Gal 3:16) and those who belong to Christ (Gal 3:29). Premills are notorious for not accepting the NT authors' understanding of OT prophecies.
Christ sent his disciples, the seed of Abraham, to “make disciples of all nations,” in Matthew 28:19. In so doing Christ fulfilled the promise that Abraham’s seed would be a blessing to “all the families of the earth.” Genesis 12:3 ESV. It’s post and amill that tries to change the meaning of Galatians 3:16-29.
LOL. You don't accept what Jesus Himself taught about the fulfillment of the prophecy. That's quite telling in how you just make scripture say what you want it to say.
As I affirmed, the scattering of the disciples when Christ was arrested only addresses one way the sheep were scattered. They were scattered all over the world when Christ told them, “Make disciples of all nations,” in Matthew 28:19. Furthermore, the OT prophesied the sheep would be scattered because of the rebellious pastors in passages like Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34. The significance of the scattering is that it verifies Christ didn’t come to sit on David’s throne, insomuch as the Old and NT affirm he sits on his throne at the gathering of his sheep,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ESV

Matthew 24
30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Point is, the Old and NT affirm Christ returns to set up his kingdom at the gathering, not the scattering, of his people.

It's foolish to tell lies like you're doing here. Justin Martyr, in the early 2nd century said there were many true Christians who believed otherwise from his chiliast beliefs.
The point that there has been heresies from the beginning doesn’t vindicate post or amill.

1 Corinthians 11
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Martyr is just reiterating Paul who said their works will be burned up in the days before Christ returns, but they’ll be saved (1 Corinthians 3:13-15). Amills and postmill have suffered great losses since the revival of Premillennialism in the 16th century.

You don't accept what Peter taught in Acts 2:29-36. Don't think it wasn't noticed when you gave your understanding of the passage while completely ignoring verse 31 which explains how Jesus ascended to David's throne, which was by way of His resurrection.

Don’t think Premillennialists fail to notice that you’re trying to side-step that Acts 2:29-36 can’t be interpreted properly by side-stepping passages like Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes amill and postmill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). To believe otherwise is foolish. The passages all verify that Acts 2:29-36 must be interpreted that Christ was raised to sit at his Father’s throne until his Father makes Son’s enemies his footstool (Hebrews 10:12-13)and then Christ returns to rule on David’s throne, which is on earth and not in heaven,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ESV

You have no discernment whatsoever. Jesus will never reign over any earthly kingdom. Christ's kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world. You ignore what Jesus Himself said about His kingdom.
It was Christ who said, the meek inherit the earth, not heaven, and Revelation maintains the saints rule on earth, not in heaven. So, it's your amill dogma that perverts Luke 17:20, not Premillennialism. :csm
 
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Sounds like Christ's throne is in heaven for the dead in Christ to share in his throne also. I think possibly Christ has a throne (literal or not) in heaven and Earth.
The dead in Christ have to wait till Christ returns to receive their reward in reigning with Christ (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12),

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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