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[Spiritual Israelite]

You should know Christ was talking about his return to sit on his throne in Matthew 25:31 and reward the overcomers of this age with rule, power and authority in his kingdom according to Matthew 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, 25:21, 23; Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes amill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). To believe otherwise is foolish.

We were talking about Zechariah 13:7. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ's return. To believer otherwise is beyond foolish.

As for Zechariah 13:7,

What do you mean "As for Zechariah 13:7?". That's what we were talking about. What were you referring to in your statement above?

amills are notorious for changing the meaning of the scriptures so it’s hypocritical to accuse someone else of that.

LOL. You probably think Paul changed the meaning of the scriptures when He said that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ (Gal 3:16) and those who belong to Christ (Gal 3:29). Premills are notorious for not accepting the NT authors' understanding of OT prophecies.

It’s transparent you’re just trying to avoid the OT passages that ordained the scattering of the sheep at Christ’s first advent, which vindicates the scattering has more than one meaning.

LOL. You don't accept what Jesus Himself taught about the fulfillment of the prophecy. That's quite telling in how you just make scripture say what you want it to say.

It’s foolish to hold the apostles taught amill, insofar as their immediate successors taught chiliasm for almost three-hundred years before the amills supplanted them in the Roman Church. Papias (80-163) was as chiliast, who Irenaeus held was a pupil of Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John. Amill can offer little support about any antiquity.

It's foolish to tell lies like you're doing here. Justin Martyr, in the early 2nd century said there were many true Christians who believed otherwise from his chiliast beliefs.

As I said, David is the example. He was anointed by Samuel as king long before he ruled. Furthermore, Christ declared he would sit on his throne upon his return (Matthew 25:31), which proves you and amill are the cherry pickers.

You don't accept what Peter taught in Acts 2:29-36. Don't think it wasn't noticed when you gave your understanding of the passage while completely ignoring verse 31 which explains how Jesus ascended to David's throne, which was by way of His resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There again some brethren's Biblical ignorance about David's earthly throne is shone.

Says the guy who displays his Biblical ignorance with almost every post he makes.

What exactly BRETHREN IN CHRIST, is Acts 2 teaching about David's throne, and Christ Jesus?

Acts 2:29-35
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.

That of course is about Lord Jesus' resurrection, as His raised flesh body was "quickened" by The Spirit by which He went and preached The Gospel to the dead "spirits in prison" (per 1 Peter 3 & 4 and 1 Cor.15). Thus Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption, like our flesh body does in the grave.

Are you even reading the passage? In verse 31, Peter explained how it came about the God the Father would "RAISE UP Christ to sit on" David's throne. He said that was talking about "the RESURRECTION of Christ". That means Christ was raised up to David's throne by way of His resurrection. That's why it says in verse 36 that He was "made both Lord and Christ". You should not think you're going to fool anyone with the way you butcher the text.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

David's throne was on earth until Christ was resurrected and ascended to David's throne, in heaven ever since.

The resurrection of Christ was not the second coming of Christ.

David spoke of the resurrection of Christ.

He did not speak of the second coming of Christ.

Acts 2
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

It's incredible how dishonest these Premills are with this text and many other texts. Verse 31 makes it abundantly clear that the way in which God the Father would "RAISE UP Christ to sit on" David's throne was by way of "the RESURRECTION of Christ". This is very clear to any unbiased person reading this text.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Even when you try... to show some the simple Scripture as written, they are still determined to TRY... and make it say something that it does not...

Yes, you are proof of that.

Acts 2:29-32
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Speaking of king David, he is dead and buried, and his grave is still with us to this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne;

David was also a prophet, which Psalms 22 about Christ's crucifixion comes to mind. Acts 2 is getting ready to quote... David here in the later Acts 2:34-35 verses.


31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
KJV

The above Acts 2:31-32 verses ARE NOT ABOUT DAVID! They are about CHRIST JESUS and CHRIST'S RESURRECTION!

No kidding? Hello? But, what you miss is the part that says "He seeing this before". Who seeing what before? David seeing Christ raised up to his throne. What does verse 31 tell us about that? It tells us that what David foresaw in relation to Christ being raised up to sit on his throne was "the resurrection of Christ". You are not looking at the context of verses 31 and 32, which is determined by what was written immediately before them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

David's throne was on earth, as is Christ's kingdom (Matthew 5:5, 25:31; Revelation 5:9-10).

You have no discernment whatsoever. Jesus will never reign over any earthly kingdom. Christ's kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world. You ignore what Jesus Himself said about His kingdom.

 

[covenantee]

Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. ESV

Christ was raised to sit at his Father's throne; he returns to sit on his,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

You should know Christ was talking about his return to sit on his throne in Matthew 25:31 and reward the overcomers of this age with rule, power and authority in his kingdom according to Matthew 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, 25:21, 23; Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes the notion that Christ is seated on David's throne now as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). To believe otherwise is foolish.

Your references describe Jesus' throne at His Second Coming.

Acts 2:29-35 describes David's throne at Jesus' resurrection.

See the difference?

Nah.

 

[covenantee]

It's incredible how dishonest these Premills are with this text and many other texts. Verse 31 makes it abundantly clear that the way in which God the Father would "RAISE UP Christ to sit on" David's throne was by way of "the RESURRECTION of Christ". This is very clear to any unbiased person reading this text.

So true. Beyond absurd, but deplorably, so predictable.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. ESV

Christ was raised to sit at his Father's throne; he returns to sit on his,

Sounds like Christ's throne is in heaven for the dead in Christ to share in his throne also. I think possibly Christ has a throne (literal or not) in heaven and Earth.

 

[Davy]

Says the guy who displays his Biblical ignorance with almost every post he makes.


Are you even reading the passage? In verse 31, Peter explained how it came about the God the Father would "RAISE UP Christ to sit on" David's throne. He said that was talking about "the RESURRECTION of Christ". That means Christ was raised up to David's throne by way of His resurrection. That's why it says in verse 36 that He was "made both Lord and Christ". You should not think you're going to fool anyone with the way you butcher the text.

I read the Acts 2 using COMMON SENSE, staying with the simplicity of that Bible Scripture!

But YOU failed with reading that Acts 2:31 verse, for here is what it actually says...

Acts 2:31-32
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
KJV

NOTHING is said in verse 31 about David's throne! You ADDED that part to that verse!


Here then, IS... the verse in Acts 2 that speaks of Christ inheriting David's throne...

Acts 2:30
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
KJV

But that verse DOES NOT SAY WHEN, OR WHERE Christ would inherit David's throne! But OTHER Bible Scripture does tell us.

But first, that Acts 2 Scripture REVEALS that Lord Jesus is now SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER'S THRONE, IN HEAVEN, and that is NOT David's throne!

Acts 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The LORD said unto My Lord, Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool."
KJV

That idea of Christ now sitting on the RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER'S THRONE is repeated in Acts 7, Romans 8, Ephesians 1, Col.3, Hebrews 1, Hebrews 8, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 12, 1 Peter 3, Mark 12, and Luke 20.



Matthew 19 TELLS us just when, and where, Jesus will SIT UPON DAVID'S THRONE HE INHERITED... and it was NOT at the time of His resurrection!:

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

That word "regeneration" actually means the future Messianic restoration. So has His 12 Apostles inherited those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel yet today? NO, OF COURSE NOT, NOT YET! Neither has Lord Jesus inherited David's EARTHLY throne yet either!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I read the Acts 2 using COMMON SENSE, staying with the simplicity of that Bible Scripture!

LOL. There is no COMMON SENSE being used when you deny what Peter so clearly said, which is that the RESURRECTION of Jesus was the way in which God RAISED UP Jesus to David's throne. Your CARNAL way of looking at things prevents you from seeing SPIRITUAL truth in scripture. You look at things like the NATURAL MAN does, which relies on his flawed COMMON SENSE and HUMAN WISDOM.

But YOU failed with reading that Acts 2:31 verse, for here is what it actually says...

Acts 2:31-32
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
KJV

NOTHING is said in verse 31 about David's throne! You ADDED that part to that verse!

LOL! You are clearly unable to understand context. When it says "He seeing this before", what is that referring to except what was mentioned in the previous verse? Who is "he" and what did he see beforehand? Why did you quote verses 31 and 32 but not verses 29 and 30 for context?

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Take off your Premill glasses for a minute and follow the flow of what Peter is saying here. He obviously starts out by referring to David and then he said that David, being a prophet, prophesied about God promising him that he would raise up Christ to sit on his (David's) throne. Agree so far? Then Peter said "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ". Here is how I would paraphrase what Peter said there. David, prophesying beforehand about Jesus being raised to sit in his (David's) throne, spake of the resurrection of Christ. That means he was equating the RAISING UP of Jesus to sit on his (David's throne) with the RAISING UP of Christ from the dead. You don't understand that in verse 32 Peter is saying that God RAISED UP Jesus from the dead and to David's throne. His kingdom did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not worldly (John 18:36), but you think He will reign over some earthly kingdom instead.

Here then, IS... the verse in Acts 2 that speaks of Christ inheriting David's throne...

Acts 2:30
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
KJV

But that verse DOES NOT SAY WHEN, OR WHERE Christ would inherit David's throne! But OTHER Bible Scripture does tell us.

Yes, such as the very next verse! Why do you try to act if verses 30 and 31 are not related? That's what people do when they try to make scripture say that they want it to say instead of accepting what it actually says.

But first, that Acts 2 Scripture REVEALS that Lord Jesus is now SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER'S THRONE, IN HEAVEN, and that is NOT David's throne!

Acts 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The LORD said unto My Lord, Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool."
KJV

He doesn't literally, physically sit on any throne. That's figurative. So, He sits on BOTH the Father's throne AND David's throne at the same time. Jesus said all power was given to Him in heaven and in earth (Matthew 28:18). The all power He has in heaven represents Him being on the Father's throne and the power He has over the earth represents Him being on David's throne.

 

[Davy]

LOL. There is no COMMON SENSE being used when you deny what Peter so clearly said, which is that the RESURRECTION of Jesus was the way in which God RAISED UP Jesus to David's throne. Your CARNAL way of looking at things prevents you from seeing SPIRITUAL truth in scripture. You look at things like the NATURAL MAN does, which relies on his flawed COMMON SENSE and HUMAN WISDOM.

I'm the one LOL at YOU! because I never said Christ's resurrection was the way in which God raised up Jesus to David's throne! You must have gotten that idea from someone else.

Lord Jesus is NOT sitting upon David's throne yet, and I proved that by that Matthew 19:28 verse WHICH YOU FAILED TO READ!

So take all your FALSE JEW mocking, and bury it, bud!

 

[Davy]

I think possibly Christ has a throne (literal or not) in heaven and Earth.

I don't, simply because the Matthew 19:28 verse reveals that Christ will inherit David's throne ON EARTH at His future return when His 12 Apostles inherit their thrones.

 

[Davy]

Just leave it for those who can understand it.

You can't.

May God rebuke your false Jew mocking.

 

[Davy]

Here again is the Biblical Proof that Christ has NOT YET inherited David's throne...

Matthew 19 TELLS us just when, and where, Jesus will SIT UPON DAVID'S THRONE HE INHERITED... and it was NOT at the time of His resurrection!:

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

That word "regeneration" actually means the future Messianic restoration. So has His 12 Apostles inherited those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel yet today? NO, OF COURSE NOT, NOT YET! Neither has Lord Jesus inherited David's EARTHLY throne yet either!

 

[covenantee]

May God rebuke your false Jew mocking.

It's not false. It's the real thing.

 

[Davy]

It's not false. It's the real thing.

Titus 1:10-14
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

 

[covenantee]

Here again is the Biblical Proof that Christ has NOT YET inherited David's throne...

Matthew 19 TELLS us just when, and where, Jesus will SIT UPON DAVID'S THRONE HE INHERITED... and it was NOT at the time of His resurrection!:

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

That word "regeneration" actually means the future Messianic restoration. So has His 12 Apostles inherited those 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel yet today? NO, OF COURSE NOT, NOT YET! Neither has Lord Jesus inherited David's EARTHLY throne yet either!

David's throne was destroyed more than 2,000 years ago by Nebuchadnezzar.

How will Jesus sit in it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm the one LOL at YOU! because I never said Christ's resurrection was the way in which God raised up Jesus to David's throne! You must have gotten that idea from someone else.

Now I'm the one LOL at YOU because I never said that you said that. I'm the one who said that! You have HORRIBLE reading comprehension skills. I mean just TERRIBLE. You prove that over and over again. Please find a class somewhere that teaches you how to comprehend what you read.

Lord Jesus is NOT sitting upon David's throne yet, and I proved that by that Matthew 19:28 verse WHICH YOU FAILED TO READ!

So take all your FALSE JEW mocking, and bury it, bud!

Hey, bud! Why are you too COWARDLY to specifically address what I said about Acts 2:29-36 and what the text actually indicates which is that the way in which God RAISED UP Christ to sit on David's throne was that He RAISED UP Christ from the dead? Instead, you respond with total NONSENSE while ignoring the context of the passage.

I did not fail to read Matthew 19:28, either, bud!

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Where does this say He is not yet sitting upon David's throne, bud? Nowhere, bud! I brought up a passage that actually references David's throne and says that Jesus was raised to it by way of His resurrection. How about you reference a verse that actually references David's throne if you want to try to refute what I'm saying, bud.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

David's throne was destroyed more than 2,000 years ago by Nebuchadnezzar.

How will Jesus sit in it?

Great question. It's hilarious whenever I see someone try to claim that Jesus will literally sit on David's literal, physical throne. Hello? That is utter nonsense of epic proportions and is not even possible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Titus 1:10-14
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

You know a lot about being a vain talker and teaching things which you ought not, like Premillennialism.