Babylon

[Jerry Huerta]

He's been seated on David's thone in the heavens since His Resurrection. Acts 2:29-35

Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, verify that Acts 2:29-36 must be interpreted that Christ was raised to sit at his Father’s throne until his Father makes his Son’s enemies his footstool (Hebrews 10:12-13) and then Christ returns to rule on David’s throne, which is on earth and not in heaven.

 

[covenantee]

Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, verify that Acts 2:29-36 must be interpreted that Christ was raised to sit at his Father’s throne until his Father makes his Son’s enemies his footstool (Hebrews 10:12-13) and then Christ returns to rule on David’s throne, which is on earth and not in heaven.

David's literal physical throne was destroyed more than 2,000 years ago by Nebuchadnezzar.

Christ will not be sitting on it.

You obviously believe that David's literal physical throne still exists.

Why can't you tell us where it is?

 

[Davy]

There's no difference between Jesus' resurrection and Jesus' Second Coming?

That certainly let's us know you are on men's FALSE DOCTRINE CALLED 'FULL PRETERISM', which vainly believes that Christ's 2nd coming already happened back in His Apostle's day!

 

[covenantee]

That certainly let's us know you are on men's FALSE DOCTRINE CALLED 'FULL PRETERISM', which vainly believes that Christ's 2nd coming already happened back in His Apostle's day!

Ever heard of "?"

Ever heard of "stupid"?

Nah.

 

[ewq1938]

The dead in Christ have to wait till Christ returns to receive their reward in reigning with Christ

Of course but I was discussing something else.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Of course but I was discussing something else.

Matthew 25:31 and Revelation 3:21 sound like Christ returns to sit on David’s throne. His Father’s throne is in heaven, not David’s.

Your assertions about the "dead in Christ" are without merit.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

David's literal physical throne was destroyed more than 2,000 years ago by Nebuchadnezzar.

Christ will not be sitting on it.

You obviously believe that David's literal physical throne still exists.

Why can't you tell us where it is?

How silly; God is able to restore anything man destroys.

I never said anything about it physically existing now, that’s a straw-man you made up.

And I already address where it’s going to be.

But what you continue to side-step is the scriptures that affirm Christ returns to sit on his throne, which affirms he wasn’t raised to sit on David’s throne. David’s throne was on earth, not in heaven. (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

 

[covenantee]

How silly; God is able to restore anything man destroys.

I never said anything about it physically existing now, that’s a straw-man you made up.

And I already address where it’s going to be.

But what you continue to side-step is the scriptures that affirm Christ returns to sit on his throne, which affirms he wasn’t raised to sit on David’s throne. David’s throne was on earth, not in heaven. (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

Where is He sitting now?

Acts 2
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Jesus will not be swapping the heavenly throne of David in which He now sits for your mythical future earthly throne.

His throne now will continue to be His throne then.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Where is He sitting now?

Acts 2
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Jesus will not be swapping the heavenly throne of David in which He now sits for your mythical future earthly throne.

His throne now will continue to be His throne then.

He’s sitting at the right hand of his Father’s throne and waits, like David, to receive his kingdom, long after he was anointed,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ESV

Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

 

[covenantee]

He’s sitting at the right hand of his Father’s throne and waits, like David, to receive his kingdom, long after he was anointed

He awaits nothing. He delivers His Kingdom, which He established at His first coming, to His Father.

1 Corinthians 15
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

He awaits nothing. He delivers His Kingdom, which He established at His first coming, to His Father.

1 Corinthians 15
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The end come when Christ lays aside his rule, power, and authority, and offers it up to his Father, but the NT affirms he returns to award rule, power and authority, which affirms he doesn’t return to establish the end (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

1 Corinthians 15
24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. ESV

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, it’s transparent you’re trying to avoid that Acts 2:29-36 can’t be interpreted properly by side-stepping passages like Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes amill and postmill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13).

LOL. Where do any of those refer to David's throne? None of them do! But, Acts 2:29-36 undeniably does. Try to stick to scriptures which actually refer to David's throne when making claims about it.

To believe otherwise is foolish.

It's foolish to try to apply verses that don't actually refer to David's throne and claim that they do. That is your way of trying to get around what Acts 2:29-36 clearly teaches which is that Jesus was RAISED UP to David's throne by way of being RAISED UP from the dead. Do you dey that Jesus was made King upon His resurrection and ascension? He Himself said that He was given all power in heaven and earth after His resurrection (Matthew 28:18) and Paul said that God the Father "raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" and "hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church". Do you deny this?

The passages all verify that Acts 2:29-36 must be interpreted that Christ was raised to sit at his Father’s throne until his Father makes his Son’s enemies his footstool (Hebrews 10:12-13) and then Christ returns to rule on David’s throne, which is on earth and not in heaven,

Wrong. That is not what Acts 2:29-36 says. That passage talks about Christ being raised to sit on David's throne. That is absolutely undeniable.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Whose throne do you think is "his throne" in verse 30? It's David's throne. You are trying to say it refers to the Father's throne? Wrong! How did Peter indicate that Christ was RAISED UP to sit on David's throne? What was he talking about when he prophesied about that? Peter said that he "spake of the RESURRECTION of Christ". And Peter said "This Jesus hath God RAISED UP" because of the prophecy regarding God RAISING UP Christ to sit on David's throne was fulfilled by Him RAISING UP Christ from the dead.

You’d like to distract me from the over-all interpretation of the scattering of the sheep in the Old and NT, but you won’t succeed.

LOL. It's too bad that I can't succeed in getting you to accept The Lord Jesus Christ Himself's interpretation of the prophecy, as written in Matthew 26. Pathetic.

It was Christ who said, the meek inherit the earth, not heaven, and Revelation maintains the saints rule on earth, not in heaven. So, it's your amill dogma that perverts Luke 17:20, not Premillennialism.

Amillennialism does not deny that the meek will inherit the earth. They will inherit the renewed earth (new earth) for eternity. You apparently think they will just inherit this earth as we know it temporarily. Misrepresenting Amill does nothing to support your false doctrine.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

LOL. Where do any of those refer to David's throne? None of them do! But, Acts 2:29-36 undeniably does. Try to stick to scriptures which actually refer to David's throne when making claims about it.

Just another example of the fallacious argument from silence. The point is that all the passages are about Christ’s return and his rewarding the overcomers with rule, power and authority, which destroys the amill and post dogma about Christ's return to end such power. The eternal state commences when rule, power, and authority come to an end according to 1 Corinthians 15.

And David’s throne was on earth, not in heaven.

It's foolish to try to apply verses that don't actually refer to David's throne and claim that they do. That is your way of trying to get around what Acts 2:29-36 clearly teaches which is that Jesus was RAISED UP to David's throne by way of being RAISED UP from the dead. Do you dey that Jesus was made King upon His resurrection and ascension? He Himself said that He was given all power in heaven and earth after His resurrection (Matthew 28:18) and Paul said that God the Father "raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" and "hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church". Do you deny this?

Matthew 28:18 affirms Christ was given all authority from the foundations of the world, long before he ascended; that’s his destiny. The point being, the prophecies of Christ EXERCISING the rule, power and authority of HIS THRONE, DAVID’S THRONE, is revealed in the passages of Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47; Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which demolishes post and amill.

Wrong. That is not what Acts 2:29-36 says. That passage talks about Christ being raised to sit on David's throne. That is absolutely undeniable.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Whose throne do you think is "his throne" in verse 30? It's David's throne. You are trying to say it refers to the Father's throne? Wrong! How did Peter indicate that Christ was RAISED UP to sit on David's throne? What was he talking about when he prophesied about that? Peter said that he "spake of the RESURRECTION of Christ". And Peter said "This Jesus hath God RAISED UP" because of the prophecy regarding God RAISING UP Christ to sit on David's throne was fulfilled by Him RAISING UP Christ from the dead.

We find clarification for Acts 2:30-31 in Revelation and Matthew,

Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ESV

Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

LOL. It's too bad that I can't succeed in getting you to accept The Lord Jesus Christ Himself's interpretation of the prophecy, as written in Matthew 26.

The fulfillment that the apostles scattered when they arrested Christ doesn’t overcome that the sheep were ordained to be scattered all over the world in a greater sense, which destroys the dogmas of post and amill because Christ’s kingdom was prophesied as one in which he returns to gather the sheep. Do your homework and actually look up the passages I cited from the OT that affirms my argument and destroys your dogma. You probably won’t but that’s your problem, not mine.

Pathetic.


Amillennialism does not deny that the meek will inherit the earth. They will inherit the renewed earth (new earth) for eternity. You apparently think they will just inherit this earth as we know it temporarily. Misrepresenting Amill does nothing to support your false doctrine.

What I find disgusting is the idea we’re in the kingdom of Christ, this evil disgusting world that is without justice, when the prophecies about Christ’s kingdom are of one that is secure and just.

 

[ewq1938]

Your assertions about the "dead in Christ" are without merit.

Unlikely.

 

[ewq1938]

What I find disgusting is the idea we’re in the kingdom of Christ, this evil disgusting world that is without justice, when the prophecies about Christ’s kingdom are of one that is secure and just.

Amen. While God is in ultimate control, God is allowing saran to rule this world and the world is lawless and wicked while the rule of the rod of iron *the Millennium) will be lawful, a world literally ruled by Christ and his saints. It won't be the same exact world as it was before that rule as Amill presents their broken, awful, non-enforced "rule". A rule in-name-only, or a "nerf" rule.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Unlikely.

Actually, it's more than likely.

 

[Davy]

Amen. While God is in ultimate control, God is allowing saran to rule this world and the world is lawless and wicked while the rule of the rod of iron *the Millennium) will be lawful, a world literally ruled by Christ and his saints. It won't be the same exact world as it was before that rule as Amill presents their broken, awful, non-enforced "rule". A rule in-name-only, or a "nerf" rule.

"nerf rule", I like that.

 

[covenantee]

What I find disgusting is the idea we’re in the kingdom of Christ, this evil disgusting world that is without justice, when the prophecies about Christ’s kingdom are of one that is secure and just.

Colossians 1
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Have you been translated?
Apparently not.

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Are you a wimp?

Jeremiah 23:
1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

As I said, the kingdom of Christ is one that is secure and just, which exposes the foolishness of post and amill.

 

[ewq1938]

Actually, it's more than likely.

Wrong but if you want to discuss it, then go ahead.