Where do the verses I posted make it so that I do not somehow believe in John 1:1?
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Dan Clarkston
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John 1:1 proves Jesus is not a created being.... He is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Dan Clarkston
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You're the one that is claiming Jesus is a created being which is in opposition to John 1:1
Dan Clarkston
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Dan Clarkston
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Quote me specifically, I posted only verses, so which verse are you accusing of this that I posted?
Dan Clarkston
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In post #28 you said "the scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten"
John 1:1 says Jesus was from the beginning so whatever day you are speaking of is not when Jesus came in to existence.
I said,
The scripture tells us the day the Son was begotten
Mentioned in Psalm 2:7 (Jesus speaking)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto ME, Thou art my Son;
THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Mentioned also in Acts 13:33 as something that needed to be fulfilled (which God hath fulfilled)
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
Which is also the same day Christ was made an high priest
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee.
You reject these references?
These are not speaking of his existance, its speaking of the day he was begotten
David in NJ
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Your statement places you on the doorsteps of watchtower/jw.
Return to the WORD that was God in the Beginning
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
ALPHA = Genesis declares a Co-Equality between the FATHER the WORD and the HOLY SPIRIT
This Co-Equality is further emphasized to us in the Gospel and the Apostles writings.
OMEGA = Finally this Co-Equality is irrevocably VALIDATED in Revelation
Dan Clarkston
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Will you reject John 1:1 that tells us Jesus is God's Word Who has existed since the beginning which proves He was NOT actually begotten on any particular day?
Your references do not prove Jesus has not existed from the beginning and has been with God and has been God... all along.
Your references are speaking of something other than Jesus being begotten on a particular day... AND your references do not prove Jesus is a created being either.
Hang in there bud... you'll get it one of these days!... Maybe
Dan Clarkston
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The begotten you are speaking of is referring to someone being born like a child coming in to the world, so it's referring to Jesus coming back from the dead.
He was separated from God on the Cross for our sins and God brought in back to where He was not longer separated from God... that's what is happening here
Jesus is not a created being and was never begotten in the sense that He was created at a particular point in time where prior to that He did not exist...
He's always existed and was never created by God.
Begotten from Psalm 2:7
yalad -- pronounced: yaw-lad'
a primitive root; to bear young; causatively, to beget; medically, to act as midwife; specifically, to show lineage: KJV -- bear, beget, birth((-day)), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail(-eth, -ing woman).
Begotten from Acts 13:33, and Heb 5:5
gennao -- pronounced: ghen-nah'-o
from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate: KJV -- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
He was separated from God on the Cross for our sins and God brought in back to where He was not longer separated from God... that's what is happening here
Jesus is not a created being and was never begotten in the sense that He was created at a particular point in time where prior to that He did not exist...
He's always existed and was never created by God.
Begotten from Psalm 2:7
yalad -- pronounced: yaw-lad'
a primitive root; to bear young; causatively, to beget; medically, to act as midwife; specifically, to show lineage: KJV -- bear, beget, birth((-day)), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail(-eth, -ing woman).
Begotten from Acts 13:33, and Heb 5:5
gennao -- pronounced: ghen-nah'-o
from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate: KJV -- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
You had a problem with my post, point my errors out one by one big man
My references are for the the day he was begotten are you not paying attention?
My references are the scriptures which show exactly the day he was begotten
I am not your bud.
Dan Clarkston
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I don't allow false doctrine in to my thinking...but you can all you want... feel free!
Which verses are false doctrine?
Stop being the false accuser and self impressed court jester that you are and man up. Point out which of the verses are incorrect concerning when Jesus Christ was begotten.
This should be easy for you, I only posted a handful and made the letters really big and bolded them for you.
Dan Clarkston
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Feel free to re-read what I've already posted... or not, I really don't care what you do or don't do.
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