Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

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Let's try this route. Maybe you are more reasonable than I give you credit for or maybe not. I guess we will find out.

Suppose you are Ezekiel and that you are living in ancient times. And that you are then presented with visions of the future thousands of years away. Obviously, you are going to see things you have never seen before. Especially if these visions are involving the 21st century. Seeing these visions is one thing. Writing about what you saw is another thing since what you saw doesn't even exist yet. Now you have to describe what you saw and the only thing you can use to describe what you saw is via what you are already familiar with at the time.

If you saw missiles in the visions, for example, obviously missiles don't exist in ancient times. Therefore, you might use arrows to describe them, for example. Why not? Do not arrows get shot into the air and fly through the air? Do not missiles get shot through the air and fly through the air? There you go then.

To show how ridiculous you are being about Ezekiel 38-39 based on it using ancient weaponary imagery, are you going to apply the same reasoning to the following as well, where you already admit is still future?


Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


If Christ returns sometime in the 21st century do you seriously believe the battle will be involving literal horses? Do you seriously think the flesh of horses is meaning flesh of literal horses? Of course you don't. Why is it then that Revelation 19 can use ancient imagery describing the 21st century yet not literally involve anything ancient, but Ezekiel 38-39 can't? Per the latter it has to be literal ancient weapons, per your thinking.

But why? Because if it is, why is it that no Jew past or present has any knowledge of these events ever transpiring in the past? That would be like Americans, for example, that would know their own history, none of them knowing about a major event that supposedly happened in their history. Yet they are told by someone, such as you, that this major event did happen, though. Except no American past or present knows anything about it having happened in the past. That's really reasonable, isn't it? That you have insight about someones past history that no one else has.
Why do you completely disregard the complete context of Ezekiel Chapter 39 as seen below, does Ezekiel 39:27-28 below clearly tell the reader about the Babylonian Captivity and Israel's return to the lands of Israel 100% "Yes"

Just like all staunch Millennialist you won't respond to the obvious before your eyes that disproves your claims, as if the scripture doesn't exist you remove it without argument or reply "Why"?

Ezekiel Chapter 39 surrounds Israel's return from the Babylonian Captivity To (Israel/Jerusalem) the battle and event's seen took place "Long Ago" with "Wooden Weapons", Bows, Arrows, Spears, Shields

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 surrounds the building of the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem In 536BC

Israel's Return From The Babylonian Captivity Seen Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand. The Prophecy In Ezekiel 39 Was "Fulfilled" Long Ago

Ezekiel 39:27-28KJV
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
 

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Genesis 49:1And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last<319> days.

Deuteronomy 31:29For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter<319> days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Jeremiah 48:47Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab in the latter<319> days, saith the LORD. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.



All the above verses use the same word <319> acharith that is used in Ezekiel 38:16. In Genesis 49:1 Jacob’s words were fulfilled in the lifetimes of his descendants. In Deuteronomy 31:29 <319> simple means after Moses’ death, and this took place in Judges 2:20-21. In Jeremiah 48:47 it’s speaking of the captivity of Moab, a nation that no longer exists, they were conquered by Babylon in 582 BC. Are you anticipating Moab to become a nation again so they can go into captivity for this verse to be fulfilled?

According to The Theological dictionary of the Old Testament, in and of themselves, expressions containing <319> simply mean “in the after(wards) of days,” “in the following days,” “in the course of time,” “in the future.”
I have asked you previously if you're 7th Day Adventist without response, you have previously mentioned Michael (Christ) when referring to Michael the archangel?

Once Again Question: Do you follow the teachings of Ellen G. White in 7th Day Adventism?
 

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I have asked you previously if you're 7th Day Adventist without response, you have previously mentioned Michael (Christ) when referring to Michael the archangel?

Once Again Question: Do you follow the teachings of Ellen G. White in 7th Day Adventism?
No, I don’t follow the teachings of Ellen G White. I’m not SDA.
 

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No, I don’t follow the teachings of Ellen G White. I’m not SDA.
Thanks for the response!

Do you follow the teachings of Charles Taze Russel in the JW's they believe the same Michael (Christ)?

Do you attend a denominational congregation that teaches Michael (Christ), if so what denomination?

Did you arrive at this belief Michael (Christ) on your own observation of scripture?
 

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Your point is valid here and I agree with you here. But even so, what you just submitted involves literal animal sacrificing, something that has already been done away with. As to Ezekiel 38-39, literal animal sacrificing has zero to do with what is recorded in those 2 chapters. So it's not like you can use that as an argument, that since Ezekiel 38-39 involves literal animal sacrificing, it can't be about the future then. Your argument is, since it involves ancient weapons, therefore, it can't be about the future, case closed.
Please respond to post #121 above
 

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Thanks for the response!

Do you follow the teachings of Charles Taze Russel in the JW's they believe the same Michael (Christ)?

Do you attend a denominational congregation that teaches Michael (Christ), if so what denomination?

Did you arrive at this belief Michael (Christ) on your own observation of scripture?
I don’t follow Charles Russel or the JW’s belief ether. I attended a non-denominational congregation which allows for various beliefs on subjects that aren’t clearly spelled out in the Bible.

I don’t actually argue one way or the other about Michael being Christ. I think it’s a possibility but it isn’t something that is clearly presented in the Bible so I just leave it as a possibility.
 

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Are you unable to have an adult, civilized conversation? Why do you feel the need to be childish and rude at every opportunity? I think you need serious help.
A False dramatic claim in a personal attack, it's typical of Spiritual Israelite when backed into a corner, time and again
My stance regarding that passage is that it's a difficult one and should not be used as part of the foundation of doctrine. Would you agree with that? You can say it's self explanatory all you want, but you have absolutely no proof that what is described there happened literally at some point in the past. But, you are probably too prideful to admit that. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but we don't have actual proof of it.
It's my opinion that you follow many points of reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment, and this reformed teaching removes the future "Literal Second Coming" seen in Matthew 24:29-31 with the explanation that it's not "Literal" but a "Symbolic" judgement upon Israel, perfectly in line with your suggested hypothetical theory presented, correct me if I'm wrong, possibly you do see a future "Literal" second coming in Matthew 24:29-31?
The only reference to Gog and Magog in the NT is in Revelation 20:7-9 and it's used symbolically to refer to people who number "as the sand of the sea" from around the world who come against "the camp of the saints" after the thousand years ends. Why do you suppose that it references "Gog and Magog" there and isn't there any possibility that it could relate to the real meaning of Ezekiel 38-39?
Yes I agree Gog/Magog represent the entire world nations, scripture clearly teaches that the event of gathering and battle in Revelation Chapters 16,19, 20 are the same event in parallel teachings

Give me some evidence that a battle just as described in Ezekiel 39 happened in the past. I'm not just going to take your unreliable word for it. If it did, fine, but prove it. Back up your words if you want to be taken seriously.
The evidence is presented very clearly below, if you disagree that's your prerogative

Ezekiel Chapter 39 surrounds Israel's return from the Babylonian Captivity To (Israel/Jerusalem) the battle and event's seen took place "Long Ago" with "Wooden Weapons", Bows, Arrows, Spears, Shields

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 surrounds the building of the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem In 536BC

Israel's Return From The Babylonian Captivity Seen Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand. The Prophecy In Ezekiel 39 Was "Fulfilled" Long Ago

Ezekiel 39:27-28KJV
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
 

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I certainly don't believe that Ezekiel 40-46 is about some future temple, but what evidence do you have that what is described in Ezekiel 40-46 describes "the building of the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem In 536BC"? Again, if that's true, I'm fine with that, but I am not just going to take your word for it. Your word is not reliable enough. Give me evidence to back up what you're saying.

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True​


As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.


Wikipedia: Zerubbabel
In the biblical narrative, Zerubbabel led the first group of Jews, numbering 42,360, who returned from the Babylonian captivity in the first year of Cyrus the Great, the king of the Achaemenid Empire.[6] The date is generally thought to have been between 538 and 520 BC.[7] Zerubbabel also laid the foundation of the Second Temple in Jerusalem soon after. In the New Testament he is included in the genealogy of Jesus.
 
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I don’t follow Charles Russel or the JW’s belief ether. I attended a non-denominational congregation which allows for various beliefs on subjects that aren’t clearly spelled out in the Bible.

I don’t actually argue one way or the other about Michael being Christ. I think it’s a possibility but it isn’t something that is clearly presented in the Bible so I just leave it as a possibility.
Thanks For The Response, Your Explanation Is Clear
 
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You have once again misrepresented Amil. You try to debate against something that you don't even understand. Amils do not say that those who have put on bodily immortality are among "the dead" mentioned in that passage. The dead mentioned in that passage end up in the lake of fire. But, what we do say is that there is more going on at the GWTJ than what is described in Revelation 20:11-15. Not every passage about the judgment contains all of the details about it. There are more details about it given by Jesus in passages like Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 25:31-46 and by Paul in passages like 2 Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:10-12. We have to look at all of those passages to get the full picture of what will happen at the GWTJ. What a passage like Matthew 25:31-46 shows us is that at the same time unbelievers (the dead) are cast into the lake of fire, believers will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world.
I will try and get some time to respond to the last reply you made to me... it will take some time and I don't have that right now. But one of the points you mention here is exactly what caused me to raise this issue. And I will give you the 3 separate events that caused me and may still cause me some difficulty understanding: Please address just this issue for me...

1) When Jesus returns He will destroy the wicked by the sword of His mouth and they will go to the grave where they will reside for 1000 years,

2) After the 1000 years, He will resurrect them and Satan and destroy them with fire and send them to the lake of fire,

3) Then, Revelation gives us the verses that discuss the GWTRJ - where the dead who rejected Jesus are judged and destroyed.

Now, to me, that means two resurrections for the wicked and 3 deaths (one physical and 2 after the 1000 years.


Now, I know from other Scriptures that there is one resurrection for the saved to be with God forever, and then the wicked will be raised (also once) to be judged and destroyed. So, I am simply attempted to reconcile this view "today's accepted interpretations" with the 3 mentions of the judgements / deaths that SEEM to be mentioned above and found in 19 and 20. So, please tell me how you see these events....
 

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Why do you completely disregard the complete context of Ezekiel Chapter 39 as seen below, does Ezekiel 39:27-28 below clearly tell the reader about the Babylonian Captivity and Israel's return to the lands of Israel 100% "Yes"
No, Ezekiel 39:28 is about the future gathering of Jews from the nations into the land of Israel at the time of Jesus's return. Ezekiel 39:28 corresponds to the Matthew 24:31 verse, which also corresponds to Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Matthew 24: 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Deuteronomy 30:
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
 

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@Truth7t7

You keep referring to Zerubbabel being involved with the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

In the books of the bible that have "Zerubbabel" in them, which have and describe the Gog/Magog attack on Israel ?

The nations that make up the Gog/Magog attack are in Ezekiel 38:2-6. In the books of the bible that have "Zerubbabel" in them , where is the mention of that collective group of nations ?

And where is the grave site containing all the bones of Gog's armies that currently reside in the "valley of Hamongog" ?
 

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1) When Jesus returns He will destroy the wicked by the sword of His mouth and they will go to the grave where they will reside for 1000 years,
Nothing in scripture states the wicked go to the grave for 1,000 years, those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are dead souls awaiting upon the resurrection that takes place at the second coming on the last day
2) After the 1000 years, He will resurrect them and Satan and destroy them with fire and send them to the lake of fire,
Once again there isn't a literal 1,000 years seen anywhere, Revelation 20:4-6 is in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm where one day is a thousand years, "No Literal Time"
3) Then, Revelation gives us the verses that discuss the GWTRJ - where the dead who rejected Jesus are judged and destroyed.
The resurrection and final judgment takes place at the second coming on the last day when Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)
Now, to me, that means two resurrections for the wicked and 3 deaths (one physical and 2 after the 1000 years.
Your belief isn't found in scripture, there is one future time of resurrection for "All" this takes place on the last day at the second coming, there are "Two" resurrections on this last day, first the righteous to eternal life, then the wicked to eternal damnation (The End)

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim


1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 

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Hold on a minute, I’m not arguing against the Revelation 20 Gog/Magog event being spiritual in nature, I’m saying the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event was a literal historical event.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

No, Revelation 20 and Ezekiel 38/39 are speaking about the same event.
 

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No, Ezekiel 39:28 is about the future gathering of Jews from the nations into the land of Israel at the time of Jesus's return.
I Disagree With Your Claim Above

Ezekiel was a prophet to Israel in the Babylonian Captivity, And The Prophecy Below Has Been Fulfilled When Israel Was Held Captive In Babylon For 70 Years And They Returned To Israel/Jerusalem "After" Their Captivity To Build The 2nd Zerubabbel Temple In 536BC As Seen In Ezekiel Chapters 40-46

Israel's Return From The Babylonian Captivity Seen Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand. The Prophecy In Ezekiel 39 Was "Fulfilled" Long Ago

Ezekiel 39:27-28KJV
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
 

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An argument for Ezekiel describing an ancient battle that was fought with ancient weapons.



Gog’s army would attack on horseback, carrying swords, war clubs and spears. In verses 5-7, Ezekiel identifies Gog’s allies as Persia, Cush, Put, Gomer, Beth-Togarmah. The nations that fought with these literal ancient weapons were literal ancient nations. There is no need to extrapolate this into modern weapons or nations.

Ezekiel 38:5–6 tells us that Israel’s enemies come from Persia, Cush, and from the remote parts of the north, these are all within the boundaries of the Persian Empire of Esther’s day. From Esther 8:9 we know that the Persian Empire extended from India to Cush, 127 provinces in all. Cush and Persia are listed in Esther 1:1, 3 and Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shield and helmet. The other nations were established in the geographical boundaries from India to Cush in the 127 provinces over which Xerxes ruled (Esther 1:1). What this means is that the Jews were attacked by people from all the provinces of Persia and this is recorded in both Esther and Ezekiel.

During Ezekiel’s time Babylon was the major power yet he prophesied about a future Persian empire. If his prophecy was meant for thousands of years in future it would’ve made sense to describe things using the current empire not the next empire that would no longer be in existence thousands of years later when the prophecy is fulfilled.
Good research on the history and battles, Ezekiel Chapter 32 is pretty much self explanatory of the nation's and battles IMHO that would fulfill Ezekiel Chapter 38-39 but I refrain form distracting from the simple facts in Ezekiel Chapter 39 in the battle taking place with wooden weapons (Verses 9-10) and the detailed explanation of Israel's return after their Babylonian Captivity (Verses 27-28)

For any person to claim Ezekiel Chapter 39 is a future battle where wooden weapons turn into modern day weapons and add to that claims of a future return from a captivity is?

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Your suggestion above is wandering off into a fairy tale land, the scripture in Ezekiel Chapter 39 is self explanatory, no need to dream up symbolic allegory (In Love)

Ezekiel Chapter 39 surrounds Israel's return from the Babylonian Captivity To (Israel/Jerusalem) the battle and event's seen took place "Long Ago" with "Wooden Weapons", Bows, Arrows, Spears, Shields

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 surrounds the building of the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem In 536BC

Israel's Return From The Babylonian Captivity Seen Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand. The Prophecy In Ezekiel 39 Was "Fulfilled" Long Ago

Ezekiel 39:27-28KJV
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Let's look at some of this some more.

Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

And what happened once Christ came 2000 years ago? Many of them rejected Him, which hardly fits this part---When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

And guess what else? and have left none of them any more there--obviously means being expelled from the land will never happen again ever at this point. Except the opposite of what this says happened, meaning 70 AD. IOW, 70 AD contradicts---and have left none of them any more there. Therefore, when this is meaning---but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there--is meaning post 70 AD not prior to it. Now there is no contradiction since God isn't someone who contradicts Himself like fallible humans have Him doing on occasion.
 

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@Truth7t7

You keep referring to Zerubbabel being involved with the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.
Your claim is "False" I stated that Ezekiel 39:27-28 shows Israel's return from the Babylonian Captivity, and I stated Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 shows the 2nd Zerubabbel temple built in 536BC
 
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