THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Wrangler]

Jesus is not a spirit, the Holy Spirit testified to my spirit that Jesus was the Son Of God and was crucified on the cross

The expression “Son of God” is a title. Deuteronomy 18:15-18 explains Jesus is a man among one the people of Israel - like Moses, a flesh and blood man. This is confirmed at John 1:45.

Trinitarians take this title to be a biological statement. It’s telling that Jesus adopted the title for himself, Son of Man. (It makes one wonder what Jesus would have to say or do to convince Trinitarians they are wrong about his nature?! NOTE: Jesus never said he was a dual nature person. One would think what Jesus said - and did not say - would carry weight to those who call him Lord.)

Trinitarians use this to “support” their dual nature claim. This is absurd because titles do not dictate a persons nature!

The POTUS is not literally ‘the most powerful man in the world.’ Many power lifters can lift more than Biden.

Muhammad Ali said of himself that he ‘floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee.’ This means he has 3 natures, right? Of course not! Trinitarians have to abuse language usage to manufacture ‘support’ that is simply not in Scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 John 5:
[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

I am “IN CHRIST”….the true God…..but do not speak for you who rejects Scripture that does not appear in your words.

Prayers for you to come to the truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

Prayers for you to also come to the truth...Jesus is not God.

 

[Taken]

Jesus chose not to sin, he could have quite easily have sinned if he chose to , he didn’t choose to ,he stayed in perfect harmony with the will of his Father....that’s how committed he was to serving his Father.my opinion.

Jesus was a human he was born to a woman, makes him human....when he was baptised in the Spirit then he received his anointing to go and teach the good news.my opinion.

Patently false.

 

[Ritajanice]

Patently false.

IN your opinion.

KJV But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Taken]

The expression “Son of God” is a title. Deuteronomy 18:15-18 explains Jesus is a man among one the people of Israel - like Moses, a flesh and blood man. This is confirmed at John 1:45.

Trinitarians take this title to be a biological statement. It’s telling that Jesus adopted the title for himself, Son of Man. (It makes one wonder what Jesus would have to say or do to convince Trinitarians they are wrong about his nature?! NOTE: Jesus never said he was a dual nature person. One would think what Jesus said - and did not say - would carry weight to those who call him Lord.)

Trinitarians use this to “support” their dual nature claim. This is absurd because titles do not dictate a persons nature!

The POTUS is not literally ‘the most powerful man in the world.’ Many power lifters can lift more than Biden.

Muhammad Ali said of himself that he ‘floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee.’ This means he has 3 natures, right? Of course not! Trinitarians have to abuse language usage to manufacture ‘support’ that is simply not in Scripture.

I believe in the trinity of the:
Lord God Almighty….
And no, the Lord God Almighty did not, does not have a duel (sin) nature.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RLT63]

Yes, all Trinitarians must believe Jesus had Divine Nature (Eternal) and Sins Flesh (Dominion of death) simultaneously for Jesus to be God.

Otherwise Jesus is flesh and blood like you and I and not God.

F2F

Correction, many T believers state that Jesus had whats called clean flesh meaning he did not inherit fallen nature from his mum.

He was without sin.

 

[Taken]

IN your opinion.

According to the Knowledge IN Scriptural text and Understanding of Gods Spirit of Truth he has given me.

KJV But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Knowledge and teaching IN Scriptural Text is expressly given me via Gods approval and the understanding of the Knowledge is expressly given me Via Gods Spirit of Truth in me.

 

[Wrangler]

John 10:
[30] I and my Father are one.

A profoundly anti-trinitarian statement on multiple levels.

First, no mention of the Holy Spirit. Profound admission God is not a 3-person being.

Spelling out the logic, a 2-person being is not a 3-person being - IF this statement is to be taken literally as you allege, it disses the HS as being God. We all know T cares more about the man-is-god thesis and are OK with dispensing with the HS is God as long as it ‘supports’ the man-is-god thesis.

Problem is, you just blew up the claim the trinity is true.

Second, this is a figurative expression still in use today. It means being of the same mind, not that they comprise a 2 person Being.

When I said to my daughters, ‘Your mother and I are one on this,’ I was likewise, not claiming my wife and I are literally a 2-person Being.

 

[Ritajanice]

According to the Knowledge IN Scriptural text and Understanding of Gods Spirit of Truth he has given me.



Knowledge and teaching IN Scriptural Text is expressly given me via Gods approval and the understanding of the Knowledge is expressly given me Via Gods Spirit of Truth in me.

According to you.you have no special anointing given to you..you like all of us post your opinion and belief.

All of us are growing in knowledge..Gods knowledge..,if my eyes are blind then the Spirit will open them, so I wait on him..

 

[Taken]

Prayers for you to also come to the truth...Jesus is not God.

Please do not pray for me… and certainly I can with-draw praying for you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

According to you.you have no special anointing given to you..you like all of us post your opinion and belief.

All of us do not post our opinions, some of us are led by Ruah (the Holy Spirit of Yehovah.)

 

[Brakelite]

@Brakelite

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9

How does Hypostatic Union work if Christ is held under deaths dominion?

F2F

The only reason Christ died was because He gave Himself up to His Father's will, and to death. The law only had power over Him negate He voluntarily accepted the responsibility for every sin and iniquity of mankind. He personally knew no sin nor did He have any proclivity or propensity toward sin. But die He most certainly did. And when He became a man. He didn't leave anything behind. He was still the Son of God, but refused to use His divine prerogative for self defence.

God has never explained the oneness of existence between Himself and His Son. It is a mystery known only to divinity. This is why we must never attempt to explain it. Even if God did provide an explanation, it would probably be beyond our comprehension to understand it. Can the finite comprehend the infinite? The Jews certainly realised though what Jesus was claiming. John recorded (this was after Jesus had said that He and His Father were one) “Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” John 10:31-33 There can be no mistaking as to what the Jews understood Jesus to be saying. It was that He was God (theos). To many of the Jews, particularly the Scribes and the Pharisees, this was “blasphemy”. If Christ had not been God then they would have been correct. The same reaction came when Jesus healed the impotent man on the Sabbath. John recorded (another of the signs to show that Christ was the Son of God) “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:16-18 We need to remember that John wrote his Gospel with the intent of proving Christ to be the Son of God (John 20:31) – which terminology means that Christ is God (John 1:1). We can see therefore why the Holy Spirit led this Gospel writer to select these discussions that Jesus had with the Jews. They tell us so much. They tell us how the Jews understood Christ’s words. Jesus though had not made Himself God. His existence as a separate person from God was by the pleasure of the Father (Colossians 1:19). The Jews called God their Father. They must have realised therefore that Jesus was not claiming this in the same sense as they were claiming it else they would not have condemned Him for it. They must have understood Him to be claiming God as His Father in a very literal sense. This is why they said He was making Himself equal with God. Jesus did not say they had misunderstood His words. In personality He was not the one true God (the Father) but He was manifesting God in the flesh. It is no wonder therefore that God led the prophet Isaiah to prophecy of the coming Messiah “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6

 

[face2face]

Jesus was not A human….Jesus did not have a SIN nature…

The Apostles stated he did...even Christ from his own mouth!

...
and needed no one to bear witness about man, for he himself knew what was in man. John 2:25

 

[face2face]

He was without sin.

Correct - how was Sin represented in him then,,,think dear watson!

 

[TigersPaw]

The only reason Christ died was because He gave Himself up to His Father's will, and to death. The law only had power over Him negate He voluntarily accepted the responsibility for every sin and iniquity of mankind. He personally knew no sin nor did He have any proclivity or propensity toward sin. But die He most certainly did. And when He became a man. He didn't leave anything behind. He was still the Son of God, but refused to use His divine prerogative for self defence.

God has never explained the oneness of existence between Himself and His Son. It is a mystery known only to divinity. This is why we must never attempt to explain it. Even if God did provide an explanation, it would probably be beyond our comprehension to understand it.

In reality : I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

• Isaiah 48:12: "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last."
• Isaiah 44:6: "This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."
• Revelation 1:8: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, ‘who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.’”

This is Told By God and Declaration by Christ, pretty much sums it up.
It can be dug into deeper. But reality is God doesn't exist in our world, but then God does exist in our world as well.
A paradox for us. Truth for God.

 

[Taken]

A profoundly anti-trinitarian statement on multiple levels.

First, no mention of the Holy Spirit. Profound admission God is not a 3-person being.

Spelling out the logic, a 2-person being is not a 3-person being - IF this statement is to be taken literally as you allege, it disses the HS as being God. We all know T cares more about the man-is-god thesis and are OK with dispensing with the HS is God as long as it ‘supports’ the man-is-god thesis.

Problem is, you just blew up the claim the trinity is true.

Second, this is a figurative expression still in use today. It means being of the same mind, not that they comprise a 2 person Being.

When I said to my daughters, ‘Your mother and I are one on this,’ I was likewise, not claiming my wife and I are literally a 2-person Being.

If you require Scripture about Jesus being the Holy Spirit….You would also have to study the Holy Spirit is Gods Power, and AS WELL AS His Glory.

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

I understand, your children being taught their parents are in agreement on parenting…

However ….
God Predisposed…Husband AND Wives to become AS ONE BODY…(physically and spiritually….when…

A Husband and Wife are ONE with the Lord IN HIS CHURCH

Mark 10:
[6] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
[7] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
[8] And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

John 10:
I and my Father are one.

One God, who IS Spirit. Creator AND Maker.




Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RLT63]

Correct - how was Sin represented in him then,,,think dear watson!

2Co 5:21 - For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

As it happened the Comma Johanneum Addition was much more than a re-translation, or an addition, but rather a replacement of the original scriptures with a theological statement. They kept the verse numbers in sequence so that it would not be as noticeable, but replaced the words.

The scriptures involved are 1st John 5:6-8. The original scriptures read as follows... (Quoting 6 through 8, so it can be read in context)

“6. This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. 7. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8. And it is the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

This was replaced with what came to be called the Comma Johanneum Addition.

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7: For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8: And there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

As one can see there is no chance that this is simply a different translation, but rather a removal of the scriptures and an insertion of a known theological statement for an intended purpose. Of course and again, there is no question that the Trinity exists, just that the Bible does not support the commonly explained formula or description of it. And this is the larger problem, if everybody changes the scriptures to what they believe, then we do not get an accurate reading of the Word of God, but instead a denominational sermon of beliefs. The Comma Johanneum Addition is a good illustration of the frustration that some had with trying to promote their beliefs and to what extent they would go to, to promote their beliefs above and over the Bible. This is not a unique observation but rather the opinion of many scholars and most of the well known reference material explains the Trinity as more of a doctrine than a biblical teaching.
Now the term Trinity was coined early on in post biblical Christian writings but the one God formula or definition was not in those writings. Nor the theological terms of the Catholic Church to explain it…..

Hello Grailhunter, Amen, Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[Brakelite]

Let me ask you this then...How do you explain duality of natures? Can you provide a Scriptural definition to this conundrum?

F2F

Why should we need to explain it? Who can explain the infinite? Even if God should explain it, what makes you think you would underhand it?

 

[Taken]

Please do not pray for me… and certainly I can with-draw praying for you.

No need for you to be sad, for me openly honestly speaking to her.


I personally elect to have saints pray for me.. as scripture teaches, as well as prayers for those who persecute you….
I do not believe either applies to her.