THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

The incorruptible SEED is the WORD that was God in the Beginning

Galatians 3:15-16
Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made.
He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Dear @Ritajanice,
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

Like FATHER like SON like HOLY SPIRIT

@Brakelite - this should assist you further

We are Born Of The Spirit...the Holy Spirit, he is the seed that penetrates our spirit..When we become Born Of The Spirit...are you saying the Holy Spirit isn’t Gods seed? @David in NJ ..he’s not God....we are Born Of God’s seed. That doesn’t make the seed God @David in NJ ?

Born of Gods seed.,then there is Born Of God, His seed remains in us?

 

[David in NJ]

How can God be better than angels...surely you see the problem?

Hebrews is addressing the fact that God came down to earth in HIS SON as a flesh-n-blood human being = a man.

Philippians says the SAME

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Taken]

It is that unity part that i mainly have an issue with. Scripture does not tell us how that unity works. The councils which devised the creeds had to make certain assumptions in order to make the "one God " and the 3 persons harmonise. They had to make assumptions, and then create a definition. That unity spoken of is assumed to be indivisible. That in one substance that cannot be divided, in which no one member can be separated from the whole, is the basis of creedal Trinitarian teaching, which in turn is the basis for most church manuals and Catechism teaching.

The issue iI have, is that in order to sustain that definition, one has to believe that when Christ died, a part of Him, the divine part, couldn't have died and therefore He retained His connectedness to the trinity, and thus did not fully die. Only the human part died, thus providing only a human sacrifice. I cannot agree with that idea. I do not believe a human sacrifice, no matter how pure, can be sufficient to meet the requirements of a divine and holy law.

Jesus is God…
God is not a created human…
God IS Spirit.
God HAS Spirits.
Created celestial spirits (angels) have the power to appear in the Likeness “AS” (not IS) humans.
Gods Power being greater than any Power, can ALSO appear “AS” (not IS) a human….and BE CALLED by whatever….Name, Title, Description God chooses….
Nothing phenomenal….
(Even men can be called by whatever Name, Title, Description …”they choose”).


Personally, I do not find the staunch objection of God Naming and Titling His Truth, Life, Power, Word, Salvation, Spirit, etc.

(Again even humans Name and Title their body parts.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[face2face]

Hebrews is addressing the fact that God came down to earth in HIS SON as a flesh-n-blood human being = a man.

Nice try David...keep reading, praying and searching and God willing it will be revealed to you.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are twisting the scriptures. You are denying Jesus’s deity, that Jesus is God. That is blasphemy. He calls Himself the Alpha and Omega. The First and the Last.

 

[David in NJ]

We are Born Of The Spirit...the Holy Spirit, he is the seed that penetrates our spirit..When we become Born Of The Spirit...

GOD is a Spirit
CHRIST is a Spirit
HOLY SPIRIT is a Spirit

Echad Elohim

The word echad is used to denote the word 'one' but not in the strict singular but it is used when there are more then one and the multiple are regarded as equal and acting as ONE.

This is also CLEARLY explained by JESUS in His Gospel

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are one.”

 

[face2face]

Jesus is God…
God is not a created human…
God IS Spirit.
God HAS Spirits.
Created celestial spirits (angels) have the power to appear in the Likeness “AS” (not IS) humans.
Gods Power being greater than any Power, can ALSO appear “AS” (not IS) a human….and BE CALLED by whatever….Name, Title, Description God chooses….
Nothing phenomenal….
(Even men can be called by whatever Name, Title, Description …”they choose”).


Personally, I do not find the staunch objection of God Naming and Titling His Truth, Life, Power, Word, Salvation, Spirit, etc.

(Again even humans Name and Title their body parts.)

Glory to God,
Taken

Brakelite has always been extremely diligent and honest with his understanding of Scripture...you would do well to read his thoughts carefully and prayerfully seek to know the answers to this dilemma.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is God…
God is not a created human…
God IS Spirit.
God HAS Spirits.
Created celestial spirits (angels) have the power to appear in the Likeness “AS” (not IS) humans.
Gods Power being greater than any Power, can ALSO appear “AS” (not IS) a human….and BE CALLED by whatever….Name, Title, Description God chooses….
Nothing phenomenal….
(Even men can be called by whatever Name, Title, Description …”they choose”).


Personally, I do not find the staunch objection of God Naming and Titling His Truth, Life, Power, Word, Salvation, Spirit, etc.

(Again even humans Name and Title their body parts.)

Glory to God,
Taken

EXCELLENT

 

[Taken]

Hebrews is addressing the fact that God came down to earth in HIS SON as a flesh-n-blood human being = a man.

Philippians says the SAME

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Yes….Spirit, who has the power to appear… AS a man…

Even Angels have been given that Power.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

GOD is a Spirit
CHRIST is a Spirit
HOLY SPIRIT is a Spirit

Where does it say Jesus was a Spirit?

Jesus was the Messiah, he wasn’t a Spirit, Jesus came with the good news.
Jesus is not God.he was the Son Of God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

LOL Only 7 paragraphs to confirm that I don’t take the time to read long posts! That’s almost twice as concise as your normal level of output.

I knew I could count on you.

Attention deficit by convenience perhaps....you honestly believe I have nothing of value to say to you.....that’s nothing new on these boards......many here have all kinds of beliefs that they espouse....but it is entirely our prerogative to accept or reject what is said....
Because you and I are not the only ones reading these posts....this is decision time and we all have to make our decisions before the judge puts in his appearance. All of us are then going to be in one of only two camps.....either we are “sheep” or “goats”......there is a lot of bleating going on, and the goats are making all kinds of noises to make themselves sound like sheep......but only Jesus knows who belongs to him in his fold, and who the deceiver has managed to gather into his fold of goats. (Matt 7:21-23)
Time will tell and there are going to be “many” who will hear his stinging rejection. What then?

 

[Taken]

Brakelite has always been extremely diligent and honest with his understanding of Scripture...you would do well to read his thoughts carefully and prayerfully seek to know the answers to this dilemma.

F2F

It is Brakelite who espouses he has a dilemma.
I don’t.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[face2face]

It is Brakelite who espouses he has a dilemma.
I don’t.

Glory to God,
Taken

It's your dilemma also, just yet to acknowledge it as such

 

[Taken]

Where does it say Jesus was a Spirit?

Jesus was the Messiah, he wasn’t a Spirit, Jesus came with the good news.
Jesus is not God.he was the Son Of God.

2 Cor 3:
[17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus is God…
God is not a created human…
God IS Spirit.
God HAS Spirits.
Created celestial spirits (angels) have the power to appear in the Likeness “AS” (not IS) humans.
Gods Power being greater than any Power, can ALSO appear “AS” (not IS) a human….and BE CALLED by whatever….Name, Title, Description God chooses….
Nothing phenomenal….
(Even men can be called by whatever Name, Title, Description …”they choose”).


Personally, I do not find the staunch objection of God Naming and Titling His Truth, Life, Power, Word, Salvation, Spirit, etc.

(Again even humans Name and Title their body parts.)

Glory to God,
Taken

Where in the post you quoted did i suggest something different to what you wrote? For the record, (in case you've forgotten because I've said this many times) i believe Jesus is God. What else can the natural begotten ontological Son of God be, other than God begotten? Like begets like.

 

[Ritajanice]

2 Cor 3:
[17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Glory to God,
Taken

We are not Born Again of the Lord.

We are Born Of The Spirit.


39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

 

[David in NJ]

Where does it say Jesus was a Spirit?

All throughout scripture = KEY = Who was Jesus BEFORE HE came to earth?

Here are 3 scriptures that unequivocally declare that CHRIST is a SPIRIT and that Christ is GOD

John 1:1 = In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Peter 1:11
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Romans 8:9
Now you are not in flesh but in Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you;
but if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him.

 

[Taken]

It's your dilemma also, just yet to acknowledge it as such

I am quite certain I did not solicit you to speak for me….with your words.

 

[Ritajanice]

All throughout scripture = KEY = Who was Jesus BEFORE HE came to earth?

Here are 3 scriptures that unequivocally declare that CHRIST is a SPIRIT and that Christ is GOD

John 1:1 = In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Peter 1:11
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Romans 8:9
Now you are not in flesh but in Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you;
but if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him.

Sorry David I disagree ..Jesus was never God...and never will be.
Sorry David we are Born Of The Spirit, we are not Born Again of the Lord.

We are Born Of God, His seed remains in us.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.


The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

Anyway...see you tomorrow, gone bedtime here..good night Brother..your beloved Son is in my prayers.

 

[Brakelite]

Brakelite has always been extremely diligent and honest with his understanding of Scripture...you would do well to read his thoughts carefully and prayerfully seek to know the answers to this dilemma.

F2F

The dilemma is the mystery of the Godhead, and scripture does not explain it. Neither does scripture explain the nature of the holy Spirit. We tread roughly on holy ground when we attempt to define what revelation does not define.