THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[RLT63]

And...

Did you God become a better than Angels?

He inherited it, and let all the angels worship him

 

[Wrangler]

If God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life,
why did he turn around and make it so hard to find the truth that only the few who believe like you do will be saved?

Who so loved the world? I did not say it, Saint Paul said it. He didn’t say that you have to believe that Jesus raised himself.

Romans 10:9​

9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

 

[amigo de christo]

i FULLY understand the use of the word 'elohim' in scripture whereby:

#1 - It s applied specifically to The Only TRUE Elohim = Genesis , Moses , OT Prophets , Psalms

#2 - As it is used to speak of other 'gods'/elohim = Deuteronomy 13:6-7

#3 - As it is used to speak of 'humans' = Psalm 82

Please give yourself fully to this TRUTH as stated in the Holy Scriptures and as i outlined above.

I said, “You are gods(elohim)
And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
Arise, O Elohim/God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.

Always remember that there is CHRIST and then there are false christs = BOTH using the same Title/Name

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.


Deuteronomy 10:17
For
כִּ֚י (kî)
Conjunction
Strong's Hebrew 3588: 1) that, for, because, when, as though, as, because that, but, then, certainly, except, surely, since 1a) that 1a1) yea, indeed 1b) when (of time) 1b1) when, if, though (with a concessive force) 1c) because, since (causal connection) 1d) but (after negative) 1e) that if, for if, indeed if, for though, but if 1f) but rather, but 1g) except that 1h) only, nevertheless 1i) surely 1j) that is 1k) but if 1l) for though 1m) forasmuch as, for therefore

the LORD
יְהוָ֣ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136

Let me know if you understand these things - SHALOM only in the LORD Jesus Christ

your God
אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶ֔ם (’ĕ·lō·hê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

ה֚וּא (hū)
Pronoun - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1931: pron 3p s 1) he, she, it 1a) himself (with emphasis) 1b) resuming subj with emphasis 1c) (with minimum emphasis following predicate) 1d) (anticipating subj) 1e) (emphasising predicate) 1f) that, it (neuter) demons pron 2) that (with article)

is God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

of gods
הָֽאֱלֹהִ֔ים (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

David some of these people are simply TWISTING words to fit a lie my friend . THEY DO so unto their own destruction .
Keep on reminding all with the truth . march on my friend the hour is late .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who so lived the world? I did not say it, Saint Paul said it. He didn’t say that you have to believe that Jesus raised himself.

Romans 10:9​

9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

TELL IT TO INTERFAITH and pope francis . YOu can quoate this and yet still beleive the lie of intefaith .

 

[face2face]

It is that unity part that i mainly have an issue with. Scripture does not tell us how that unity works. The councils which devised the creeds had to make certain assumptions in order to make the "one God " and the 3 persons harmonise. They had to make assumptions, and then create a definition. That unity spoken of is assumed to be indivisible. That in one substance that cannot be divided, in which no one member can be separated from the whole, is the basis of creedal Trinitarian teaching, which in turn is the basis for most church manuals and Catechism teaching.

The issue iI have, is that in order to sustain that definition, one has to believe that when Christ died, a part of Him, the divine part, couldn't have died and therefore He retained His connectedness to the trinity, and thus did not fully die. Only the human part died, thus providing only a human sacrifice. I cannot agree with that idea. I do not believe a human sacrifice, no matter how pure, can be sufficient to meet the requirements of a divine and holy law.

It refreshing to see a believer highlight the core issue with this subject. I can provide at least 20 references to Christ being raised up in our condemned nature and not one speaks to this hypostatic union.

The Law provides you the answer Brakelite!

Leviticus 1:4

1:4 He must lay his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted for him to make atonement on his behalf Le 1:3–4.

From this, we understand that the Burnt offering was also expiatory in nature, highlighting the need to set aside worldly desires in order to worship Yahweh fully, as required by the Burnt offering. When the offerer laid his hand on the head of the animal, he recited a prayer, which included a confession of sin, and through this act, atonement, or covering, was achieved (Lev. 16:21). The term "atonement" comes from kaphar, meaning "to cover." Sins, whether of omission or commission, were "covered," "hidden away," or forgiven through this act. This same principle is demonstrated in the atonement made through Christ. Just as a Burnt offering was made every morning and evening on behalf of the nation, a constant remembrance of sin, forgiveness, and dedication to worship was maintained. The expiatory nature of the Burnt offering taught that only by denying the flesh can one render whole-hearted service to God, as implied by the Burnt offering itself.

"And he shall kill the bullock before Yahweh"

The victim was taken to the north of the altar and slain there (v. 11). Similarly, Christ was crucified north of Jerusalem, fulfilling this symbolic act. The Hebrew word for "kill" is shakat, meaning to slaughter quickly. The animal’s throat was cut in such a way that death followed instantly, with a great outpouring of blood. The Jews refer to this act as shechiiah. The lesson conveyed is aligned with Paul’s teaching: "If you live according to the flesh, you will die (eternally), but if you, through the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body, you will live (eternally)" (Rom. 8:13).

The bullock symbolizes Christ. He was "a son of the herd," "made like his brethren" (Heb 2:17), "tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin" (Heb. 4:15), and thus their representative. What Christ did, they are called to imitate.

The bullock was slaughtered before Yahweh. Everything Christ did was "before Yahweh," as He was always aware of His Father’s presence. The apostles, under pressure, fled from His presence, but Christ declared, "I am not alone, because the Father is with me" (John 16:32). Abraham, the father of faith, was instructed to "walk before God and be perfect" (mature—Gen. 17:1), setting the ideal for all who accept Christ as their offering. They too must "walk before God," put to death the flesh, and dedicate themselves as a Burnt-offering to God.

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

The Bible can’t give you rebirth I’m afraid.,that’s why we must be Born Of The Spirit.= by supernatural divine heart revelation.

Spirit gives birth to spirit..our spirit is reborn...our spirit becomes Alive when it’s been reborn.

Spirit gives birth to spirit..our spirit is reborn...our spirit becomes Alive when it’s been reborn.

AMEN = John 3:5-8

we must be Born Of The Spirit.

AMEN = John 3:5-8

The Bible can’t give you rebirth

OOPS!!!

1 Peter 22-23
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

The SPIRIT operates thru the LIVING Words of God/Christ to bring forth LIFE = Born Again Eternal LIFE

 

[RLT63]

Who so loved the world? I did not say it, Saint Paul said it. He didn’t say that you have to believe that Jesus raised himself.

Romans 10:9​

9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

I'm covered then

 

[face2face]

He inherited it, and let all the angels worship him

God inherited what?

 

[David in NJ]

It is that unity part that i mainly have an issue with. Scripture does not tell us how that unity works. The councils which devised the creeds had to make certain assumptions in order to make the "one God " and the 3 persons harmonise. They had to make assumptions, and then create a definition. That unity spoken of is assumed to be indivisible. That in one substance that cannot be divided, in which no one member can be separated from the whole, is the basis of creedal Trinitarian teaching, which in turn is the basis for most church manuals and Catechism teaching.

The issue iI have, is that in order to sustain that definition, one has to believe that when Christ died, a part of Him, the divine part, couldn't have died and therefore He retained His connectedness to the trinity, and thus did not fully die. Only the human part died, thus providing only a human sacrifice. I cannot agree with that idea. I do not believe a human sacrifice, no matter how pure, can be sufficient to meet the requirements of a divine and holy law.

It is that unity part that i mainly have an issue with.

Read Genesis with prayer and the Holy Spirit will add even more Light to which you already have in Christ.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Our spirit must be reborn...

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You are twisting the scriptures. You are denying Jesus’s deity, that Jesus is God. That is blasphemy. He calls Himself the Alpha and Omega. The First and the Last.

 

[RLT63]

God inherited what?

Heb 1:4 - Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

 

[Wrangler]

You are denying Jesus’s deity, that Jesus is God. That is blasphemy. He calls Himself the Alpha and Omega.

If I call myself the Alpha and Omega does that make me God? If not, why not?

 

[Ritajanice]

AMEN = John 3:5-8


AMEN = John 3:5-8


OOPS!!!

1 Peter 22-23
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

The SPIRIT operates thru the LIVING Words of God/Christ to bring forth LIFE = Born Again Eternal LIFE

Brother..how can you be Born Again Of incorruptible seed through a Bible.

Sorry, the seed that I have been Born Again of, is that of a Living seed who indwells my spirit his name is the Holy Spirit.
Only he can penetrate our spirit as he’s indwelling us and testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children, we are his spirit children...,Spirit gives birth to spirit.= by supernatural divine heart revelation.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

The Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

if you don’t read the replies given to you, how can you honestly respond?

LOL Only 7 paragraphs to confirm that I don’t take the time to read long posts! That’s almost twice as concise as your normal level of output.

I knew I could count on you.

 

[David in NJ]

@RLT63 @Eternally Grateful @Ritajanice

Here is another, of many, scriptures that testify to the Word/Jesus being God = Psalm 2:8 and Psalm 82:8
Psalm 2:8
I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,

Psalm 82:8
Arise, O God, judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations.

 

[amigo de christo]

If I call myself the Alpha and Omega does that make me God? If not, why not?

NO . cause you aint GOD . GOD is not a man that he can lie .
JESUS dont lie . HE SAID IT . JESUS cannot lie it is impossible . HE said it .
YOUR case FAILED . but thanks for being honest enough to admit JESUS DID CALL HIMSELF ALPHA and OMEGA .
Men can lie . heck i can lie , NOT that i should . BUT JESUS CANNOT LIE . thanks for helping us out friend .

 

[face2face]

Only the human part died, thus providing only a human sacrifice. I cannot agree with that idea. I do not believe a human sacrifice, no matter how pure, can be sufficient to meet the requirements of a divine and holy law.

This will be the stumbling block for you to come to God - no question about it!

Your issue goes to the core of God's righteousness and what he declared in the offering of Christ on the cross that day.

"(For he that is hanged is accursed of God)" Deut 21

These words, in parentheses, specifically apply to the death of Christ. In the Mosaic period, a criminal was stoned and then hung from a tree or stake to publicly display the punishment deserved for such a sin (Gen. 40:19; Num. 25:4). The Hebrew wording of this statement carries a deeper meaning: "he that is hanged is the curse of God." It was because the curse of God rested on those who were hung on a tree or cross that the Jewish leaders sought to have Jesus executed in this way, prompting Pilate to order His crucifixion. Since crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution, they had to request Roman assistance. For the Jewish people, as well as the Apostles, the sight of Jesus hanging on the cross seemed to confirm that He could not be the Messiah—how could God’s curse be upon His anointed? Thus, even the Apostles initially rejected the idea of His resurrection. The two disciples traveling to Emmaus, who were later confronted by the risen Christ, said, "We had hoped that it was He who was going to redeem Israel" (Luke 24:21). This statement is in the past tense, indicating they no longer believed He was the Redeemer. It wasn't merely Jesus' death that led them to this conclusion—after all, they were not ignorant of God’s power to raise the dead (John 11:43-44)—but rather, the nature of His death. With their firm belief in God, they understood that God's curse rested on one who was hung dead on a tree, and so they could not believe in His Messiahship or resurrection.

However, with the undeniable evidence of Christ’s resurrection, their doubts were put to rest (Rom. 1:3), and they were left grappling with how to reconcile this truth with the prophecies concerning His Messiahship, death, and resurrection. They realized that His "manner of death" (John 12:33) had been part of God’s "predetermined counsel" (Acts 2:23) and began to question how God’s curse could rest upon Him.

What, then, was cursed or brought into contempt by God (Gal. 3:13)? Was it Christ’s sinless and righteous character? Absolutely not! The resurrection of Jesus testified to His righteousness, as Peter declared, "It was not possible for Him to be held by death" (Acts 2:24). So what was cursed? As described in Deuteronomy 21, "he that is hanged is the curse of God," it was sin’s flesh that was cursed. This flesh was shown to be worthy of death, for it is the source of all transgression (John 8:44). The curse of God rested upon it as the consequence of sin in Eden, bringing humanity under the power of death when "by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin" (Rom. 5:12). With the giving of the Mosaic Law, an additional curse was placed on mankind, for it exposed sin and revealed that human beings were incapable of meeting God’s standard of righteousness on their own. Thus, humanity is under a double curse: the curse of mortality due to original sin, and the curse of the Law because of their transgressions.

What is responsible for sin? The answer lies in "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16), which originate "from within" (Mark 7:15; Rom. 7:17-18; Gal. 5:17). These desires are rooted in the flesh, and the world is built upon fleshly lusts. But, as John reminds us, "they are not of the Father." They were aggravated by sin from the beginning and now dominate the world.

In Christ, however, these desires were conquered. Does this mean the flesh can perfectly obey God? No. The curse of God resting upon the dead flesh of a perfect man shows that it cannot. Christ, however, was strengthened to overcome by His relationship with the Father (Psa. 80:17; John 1:14; 2 Cor. 5:19-21). He was born with the potential to conquer the flesh, and, energized by the Spirit and in cooperation with the Father, He declared, "Not my will, but Thine be done." Because the Father desired to help His fallen creation, Christ was given an advantage over other humans, but this meant more was required of Him (Luke 12:48). Perfect, complete obedience was necessary for His resurrection, for He had no one to intercede for Him if He failed. Yet He did not fail. He rendered perfect obedience. How? By God’s strength: "What the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom. 8:3). Christ's death demonstrated that the flesh is sinful and that His righteous character came from recognizing this and seeking divine help. The flesh must be condemned and put to death if one is to please God. By recognizing this and seeking forgiveness for sins in the name of Christ, the curse of the Law is removed. Therefore, Paul reasoned, "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree" (Gal. 3:13). This provision was necessary for personal redemption.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Heb 1:4 - Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

How can God be better than angels...surely you see the problem?

 

[David in NJ]

Brother..how can you be Born Again Of incorruptible seed through a Bible.

Sorry, the seed that I have been Born Again of, is that of a Living seed who indwells my spirit his name is the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

The incorruptible SEED is the WORD that was God in the Beginning

Galatians 3:15-16
Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made.
He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Dear @Ritajanice,
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

Like FATHER like SON like HOLY SPIRIT

@Brakelite - this should assist you further

 

[RLT63]

How can God be better than angels...surely you see the problem?

I see a problem with your question.