When are God's Elect Justified?
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Taken
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When are God's Elect Justified?
I would say…
* WHEN an individual Believes IN their heart…IN God and His Word…and the individual CONFESSES, that Belief.
* WHEN God “accepts” their Hearts’ Belief…
* WHEN an individual Willingly gives their Body (IN Death), unto the Lord God.
* WHEN an individual’s Name is entered into: The Lambs Book of Life.
WHEN an individual’s Name is NOT blotted out of Gods Book of Life.
* WHEN the Lord washes “their” given dead body, IN the blood of the Lamb.
THEN is their BODY ”JUSTIFIED” to be RISEN UP Glorified…(and their restored soul and quickened spirit returned to said glorified body)
* TO BE: risen up body (manifestation) glorified by the Lord..
Those “IN” Christ (Ie. Caught Up; RAPTURE)
1 Thes 4: 16-17
Or
* TO BE: risen up body (manifestation) glorified by God..
Those “WITH” God (Ie. FIRST RESURRECTION)
1 Thes 4:14
Glory to God,
Taken
I would say…
* WHEN an individual Believes IN their heart…IN God and His Word…and the individual CONFESSES, that Belief.
* WHEN God “accepts” their Hearts’ Belief…
* WHEN an individual Willingly gives their Body (IN Death), unto the Lord God.
* WHEN an individual’s Name is entered into: The Lambs Book of Life.
WHEN an individual’s Name is NOT blotted out of Gods Book of Life.
* WHEN the Lord washes “their” given dead body, IN the blood of the Lamb.
THEN is their BODY ”JUSTIFIED” to be RISEN UP Glorified…(and their restored soul and quickened spirit returned to said glorified body)
* TO BE: risen up body (manifestation) glorified by the Lord..
Those “IN” Christ (Ie. Caught Up; RAPTURE)
1 Thes 4: 16-17
Or
* TO BE: risen up body (manifestation) glorified by God..
Those “WITH” God (Ie. FIRST RESURRECTION)
1 Thes 4:14
Glory to God,
Taken
Thanks for your contribution, but do you believe Gods elect were Justified b4 God from eternity or b4 the world began ?
Taken
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Gods “Order and Way”….
Many called…Few chosen.
* Some “justified” B-4 “they were created” (manifested, revealed, seen).
(They discover after their natural birth and during their natural birth.)
* Some “justified” AFTER “they were created”.
(They discover after their natural birth and during their natural birth.)
It’s an EGNIMA…BETWEEN…
The “ALL KNOWING” Lord God Almighty…
And the “continually” discovering created and made ManKIND terrestrial being…
What God DOES “and” ACCOUNTS as “accomplish-ED”….”before” men “are” Aware
Of “Gods accounting”….(His “books”/“records).
Once (regardless of historical ERA of Time) a “manKIND” terrestrial being… IS establish-ed / account-ed “justified”…
Gods SEAL (mark)… (Visible, manifested or not)…”IS” accounted “IN” Gods Books / Records / Evidence … is revealed and necessary FOR “JUST” Judgement Pronouncement and Sentencing and carrying out thereafter.
Glory to God,
Taken
That's an excellent question. I assume (emphasis added) although God can see the future and how everything plays out, it still needs to happen.
Stumpmaster
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Spot on.
I am intrigued with verse 6 and what it means.
Efez 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Efez 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved—
Efez 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Efez 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
So according Paul, if I understand him well, the moment we are born again Jesus raised us [*] up and we [*] are with Jesus in the heavenly places to experience what is described in the next verse, [7].
[*] Is one part of us already with Christ in heaven ?
Stumpmaster
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
We are seated with God in the heavenly realm , no longer are we Of the world, we are in Gods will and no other.under the authority and will of the Father, the biggest Honour and Privilege you will ever know.
We come before God in spirit and know him/ honour him/ Glorify him/ Praise him from within our spirit as that is where we know him, we are his spirit children...just like we were born to an earthly father whose seed penetrated our mothers egg.= Flesh gives birth to flesh.
So too the Living seed of God penetrated our heart/spirit and we became his spirit children.
Spirit gives birth to spirit= spirit children of the most high.
We come before God in spirit and know him/ honour him/ Glorify him/ Praise him from within our spirit as that is where we know him, we are his spirit children...just like we were born to an earthly father whose seed penetrated our mothers egg.= Flesh gives birth to flesh.
So too the Living seed of God penetrated our heart/spirit and we became his spirit children.
Spirit gives birth to spirit= spirit children of the most high.
(Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory. |
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Ritajanice
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Christ our Surety from Everlasting, so Justified the same ! 2
As Our Covenant Surety, it was agreed upon from Everlasting in the Eternal Counsel/Purpose of the Godhead Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Notice that this purpose was in the Mediator Surety Christ Jesus ! Christ Jesus is His Mediator designation like here 1 Tim 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
And also here 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus The Mediator Surety before the world began,
It was agreed upon from everlasting that when Gods Chosen People would become guilty debtors to His Law by their sin and disobedience, that instead of them having to pay that sin debt, Christ would in their place pay the debt they incurred against God.
This Suretyship agreement went something like along the lines of that which Paul had with Philemon, who had a runaway slave, that Paul had met, which he became a believer through Paul's Ministry of the Gospel, and upon the slave returning to his master, Paul said these words Philemon 1:18-19
18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;
19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.
You see that ? To put any wrong doing he had done against him, to put it on Pauls account, so Paul could repay it ! Thats the Principle of Suretyship that Christ was made for them He died for !
Christ unto the Father was made Surety for the sins of God's Elect, the Sheep, when they would sin in Adam initially and then in themselves as they are born physically into the world dead in trespasses and sins, even as others.
In the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11 Christ was their Surety before the foundation, their sin in Adam and all their own sins had already been realized beforehand in God's Purpose and Charged to His Account, and so they for all intents and purposes were already in the Purpose of God Justified from them before they ever happened, by Suretyship agreement, which equates to Eternal Justification ! 9
As Our Covenant Surety, it was agreed upon from Everlasting in the Eternal Counsel/Purpose of the Godhead Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Notice that this purpose was in the Mediator Surety Christ Jesus ! Christ Jesus is His Mediator designation like here 1 Tim 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
And also here 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus The Mediator Surety before the world began,
It was agreed upon from everlasting that when Gods Chosen People would become guilty debtors to His Law by their sin and disobedience, that instead of them having to pay that sin debt, Christ would in their place pay the debt they incurred against God.
This Suretyship agreement went something like along the lines of that which Paul had with Philemon, who had a runaway slave, that Paul had met, which he became a believer through Paul's Ministry of the Gospel, and upon the slave returning to his master, Paul said these words Philemon 1:18-19
18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;
19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.
You see that ? To put any wrong doing he had done against him, to put it on Pauls account, so Paul could repay it ! Thats the Principle of Suretyship that Christ was made for them He died for !
Christ unto the Father was made Surety for the sins of God's Elect, the Sheep, when they would sin in Adam initially and then in themselves as they are born physically into the world dead in trespasses and sins, even as others.
In the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11 Christ was their Surety before the foundation, their sin in Adam and all their own sins had already been realized beforehand in God's Purpose and Charged to His Account, and so they for all intents and purposes were already in the Purpose of God Justified from them before they ever happened, by Suretyship agreement, which equates to Eternal Justification ! 9
Yes. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile becoming saved.
But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
Romans 2:5-11
Key Phrases:
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
- but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
- but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
Eternal Justification before the world began !
Though its not specifically stated, it is strongly indicated and signified in 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
This Grace was given [True Believers] us in Christ Jesus [when] before the world began, and yes this is one of those deep things of God of the Gospel, that the natural man cannot receive, it must be revealed by the Spirit 1 Cor 2:10-14, this Grace was given believers in Christ Jesus their Covenant Head and Mediator, before the world began, in which Grace comprehended all spiritual blessings Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
That we enjoy in time, and so it comprehended our Eternal Justification, for its plainly stated that we were Justified by Grace Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
And again, This Grace was given us in Christ Jesus, when ? Before the world began ! 9
Though its not specifically stated, it is strongly indicated and signified in 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
This Grace was given [True Believers] us in Christ Jesus [when] before the world began, and yes this is one of those deep things of God of the Gospel, that the natural man cannot receive, it must be revealed by the Spirit 1 Cor 2:10-14, this Grace was given believers in Christ Jesus their Covenant Head and Mediator, before the world began, in which Grace comprehended all spiritual blessings Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
That we enjoy in time, and so it comprehended our Eternal Justification, for its plainly stated that we were Justified by Grace Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
And again, This Grace was given us in Christ Jesus, when ? Before the world began ! 9
Ronald Nolette
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Back from visiting three of my kids and 8 3/4 of my grandbabies!
Foreknow is the word -pro-ginosko where we get our word prognosis from. It does not mean that God looks into the future and see what people will do ahead of time. It means knowing in advance through pre planning.
Like in the old days when you took a trip with an AAA trip tik. You knew where you were going for you pre planned the trip on a series of map pages.
Behold
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What you posted is a Deceit.
You are deceiving this member, by SELLING HER......Your "5 Points" "Doctrine of Devils'... @Ronald Nolette .
See, The Calvin Mind Rot, is that God causes it all, pre-plans it all, and the Human Robots, just do their string puppet dance.
Demonic Calvin's Theology, that is OF THE DEVIL.. has God causing Adam to sin, so that sin can come to the world, into each of us.
So, Calvinism, is such a mind rotting denier of The Truth, and False Accuser of God..
Calvinism is spiritual Vomit.
Calvinism is a cancer on the Body of Christ that needs to be cut off and burned.
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Behold
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
To be honest I gave him a thumbs up, to welcome him back, I’ve taken it away..as in honesty I didn’t understand his post.
So welcome back Ronald, sorry about not understanding your post.
I’m so confused about this God only chooses so many, he has never revealed that to my spirit, therefore I can’t believe it..I don’t believe God would do that, he wants none to perish, that I do know...it’s biblical as well..in my heart I know he wants none to perish...sadly some will.
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Behold
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Its Calvinism (TULIP)>.. Hyper Calvinism... that teaches that The Cross is "Limited Atonement"... God only chooses some.
See that?
THat is not NT... That is Calvinism.
Its Calvinism that tries to Do this...
Jesus said...>>>"NO, i wont save you"... "i wont have you"... ...to some people.
See that?
That is SATANIC Teaching., as JESUS wants everyone to be saved. "For God so loved the WORLD.. (everyone) that He Gave Jesus to us ALL"..
So, the OFFER of Salvation.. the OFFER of JESUS.. is for "the World"... John 3:16.
Calvinism, teaches..."No Jesus... you are wrong... And God you are wrong.. as I SAID, I TEACH that Jesus is only for SOME people".
Imagine if you had some terminal illness, and Jesus said....>>"Sorry , can't help you, as you are not one i will choose"
What Jesus is that?
That is not JESUS.
And Calvinism, has God doing that to some ... "now i wont choose you."..... "too bad"... "Off to Hell".
Its crazy.
Calvinism says.>>"No !!..., The CROSS is not for some of your family... so, ... too bad". "you can think about them being in Hell, once you are up here in Heaven"...
Calvinism is so Satanic, but it sounds like its true....as that is How the Deceives... Calvinism.. "TULIP"... mixes up lies and truth.. and that sounds "good"...but its demonic.
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Ronald Nolette
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Sorry but that is the word from the Greek and how the word is defined in the original language oh, you who loves Jacob Arminius.
Calvin lives rent free in your mind. Yopu see him around every bush. Maybe you should go to a Calvinist church (if there is such a denomination) and charge them a rental fee.
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