Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

I thought you said many men don't want to live up to society's expectations because it's too much.

Some don't. Please understand that this is coming from THEM, not ME.

It takes time, experience, and trial and error to delegate well for good results. Leadership is hard because when things go wrong, it's the leader who is to blame, not those following the lead. The leader has to put the outcome of those he leads ahead of his individual interests to be successful.

While I agree that leadership is hard, I don't agree that it's the leader who is to blame. After all, once Adam's eyes were opened, WHO was the first person he blamed? Women in general have often been blamed for men's failures.

Sorry, but if my 'leader' husband wants to put me and our family in harm's way, I'm GOING to not follow.

Often first to go without fun and treats, last to get what he wants if that's what it takes for the group being successful.

Not. My. And. Other. Women's. Experiences. Even my "man of interest" has said that so many men are pretty dang selfish. And he's not the ONLY man who has said that.

One day, a male friend of ours came home after being on tour (he's a musician) after several weeks. All he wanted to do, was to go to a certain beach and chill with his wife and kids. He invited us along. Me, my husband and two daughters. We were all for it...except for my husband. He didn't want to go. We didn't end up going. His reason? Because the beach our friend wanted to go to didn't have a boardwalk...and husband was afraid that HE would be called upon to 'entertain' the kids. Experienced time after time of situations like this where HE gets HIS needs met FIRST.
Yeah. Won't. Do. That. Again.

Just like I was unprepared to run a household and was terrible at it for a while, leadership is a skillset that my husband had to get better at through practice. It's not easy at all.

I wasn't prepared either. Terrible at cooking. First meal I made my husband was as a married woman was awful. Just AWFUL. Surprised he didn't get salmonela from undercooked chicken. My mother in law had given me the Joy of Cooking cookbook. After that first meal, I dug it out....and read it from cover to cover. Only took a few weeks before I was being complimented on my cooking.

But I'll tell ya. Boyfriends I had BEFORE that, used to fault me for not being a 'woman'...and having the "cooking 'gene'".

Meanwhile, I had a boyfriend who boasted about the most accomplished chefs being MEN. So, I ask you...

If MEN are so accomplishe at cooking, why are women regulated to that task?

 

[Wrangler]

This article surprised me. It lists 20 popular First Ladies. Regarding Barbara Bush, one of my all-time favorites;

As a devoted stay-at-home mother, Barbara raised five children while steadfastly supporting her husband’s multifaceted career. Their journey took them through 29 moves before they entered the White House in 1989. While her public persona exuded warmth and grandmotherly charm, some glimpsed a more reserved side to Barbara in private.​

I never knew she was a stay-at-home mother. 29 moves! Wow. What a lady. What a wife!

 

[amigo de christo]

from the root to the fruit there is two possible trees .
ONE is the planting of GOD
the other the planting of man and of the devil .
Ye shall not know the tree by its size , nor by its lovely green leaves
for BOTH TREES can appear , appear to be green and even both do bear fruit .
THE KEY IS
WHAT FRUIT .
IF THE SEED PLANTED , WHO IS CHRIST and from whence the root came and the tree grew
That fruit will always prove what is acceptable to GOD .
but the other tree , who though it grew massive and had many green leaves
and did spread itself like a green bray tree , and did produce much fruit , ITS FRUIT is ROTTED
ITS FRUIT will not prove that which is Acceptable to GOD , it will not .
It is the fruit of thewicked and the planting of the dark one and that dry tree cannot produce good fruit .
a tree either cometh OF GOD from whom HE did plant HIS SEED and by WHOM that seed
became a tree and by WHOM that tree produced good and lovey fruit in THE EYES OF GOD WHO PLANTED IT
OR its of the tree , the planting of the dark one
whose fruit is to sin , whose fruit is twice dead and ready to be plucked up and destroyed BY THE GOD and BY HIS CHRIST
whom it DENIED . from the root to the fruit . but beware for both trees can appear green
ONLY ONE is and that is the ONE WHOM GOD planted .
and though both do grow , the end of all who were of the dry tree is to be burnt up .
SO with that reminder we better BIBLE UP and see what GOD , WHAT CHRIST it is we been following all along .

 

[Marvelloustime]

from the root to the fruit there is two possible trees .
ONE is the planting of GOD
the other the planting of man and of the devil .
Ye shall not know the tree by its size , nor by its lovely green leaves
for BOTH TREES can appear , appear to be green and even both do bear fruit .
THE KEY IS
WHAT FRUIT .
IF THE SEED PLANTED , WHO IS CHRIST and from whence the root came and the tree grew
That fruit will always prove what is acceptable to GOD .
but the other tree , who though it grew massive and had many green leaves
and did spread itself like a green bray tree , and did produce much fruit , ITS FRUIT is ROTTED
ITS FRUIT will not prove that which is Acceptable to GOD , it will not .
It is the fruit of thewicked and the planting of the dark one and that dry tree cannot produce good fruit .
a tree either cometh OF GOD from whom HE did plant HIS SEED and by WHOM that seed
became a tree and by WHOM that tree produced good and lovey fruit in THE EYES OF GOD WHO PLANTED IT
OR its of the tree , the planting of the dark one
whose fruit is to sin , whose fruit is twice dead and ready to be plucked up and destroyed BY THE GOD and BY HIS CHRIST
whom it DENIED . from the root to the fruit . but beware for both trees can appear green
ONLY ONE is and that is the ONE WHOM GOD planted .
and though both do grow , the end of all who were of the dry tree is to be burnt up .
SO with that reminder we better BIBLE UP and see what GOD , WHAT CHRIST it is we been following all along .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

From today's devotional reading, in Numbers 31:
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Boys are not spared, only the sex that has always enjoyed special privileges, starting with preferential treatment to live. Odd that feminists hate the natural reason for this. They seem to want unnatural reasons why women should get special treatment - in the name of equality. LOL

 

[MA2444]

Thankfully it’s not letting me watch the YouTube videos without signing in. I could go through the trouble but I no longer want to be your friend.

It was the video about speaking womanese wasnt it?! Lol, it was good.

 

[MA2444]

If MEN are so accomplishe at cooking, why are women regulated to that task?

Because when we come home from working to make the money to buy the food we are tired and dont feel like cooking. So it's a blessing when the wife does it, and can!

 

[Mink57]

From today's devotional reading, in Numbers 31:
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Boys are not spared, only the sex that has always enjoyed special privileges, starting with preferential treatment to live. Odd that feminists hate the natural reason for this. They seem to want unnatural reasons why women should get special treatment - in the name of equality. LOL

The army in Numbers 31 did not receive any direct instruction from Yahweh to take the virgin girls captive. Neither did Moses. Therefore what they did cannot be justified as obedience of a divine order. The Israelites enslaved the virgin women on their own initiative.

Enslaving people does not mean they're enjoying "special privileges."

 

[Wrangler]

The army in Numbers 31 did not receive any direct instruction from Yahweh to take the virgin girls captive.

Wrong. Chapter 31 begins 'The LORD commanded Moses.' Beyond that, your gynocentrism blinds you to the preferential treatment the girls got to live. The boys had no such fortune. No sympathy for those not allowed to live? Only sympathy for the survivors of a tragedy?

 

[Wrangler]

Inequality from today's devotional reading
Numbers 31:25-30
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Disposition of Captives and Plunder

25 The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the ancestral houses of the congregation make an inventory of the plunder captured, both human and animal. 27 Divide the plunder into two parts, between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation. 28 From the share of the warriors who went out to battle, set aside as tribute for the LORD one item out of every five hundred, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, or sheep. 29 Take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the LORD. 30 But from the Israelites’ half you shall take one out of every fifty, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, or sheep—all the animals—and give them to the Levites, who perform the duties of the tabernacle of the LORD.”

One group sacrifices 1/500. The other group is required by God to sacrifice 10x, 1/50. And the reason? The 1st group sacrificed already in establishing the society.

 

[Wynona]

Glad to see more posts. Had my son yesterday. He's rather small at 7lbs 4oz. I love holding and looking at him.

 

[Wrangler]

More inequality from today's devotional reading; A lord takes command from a greater lord.

Numbers 36:2
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
2 they said, “The LORD commanded my lord to give the land for inheritance by lot to the Israelites, and my lord was commanded by the LORD to give the inheritance of our brother Zelophehad to his daughters.

My lord was commanded by the LORD. Profound. Note again how special consideration was given to the daughters of Zelophehad? This is akin to my grandfather, who practiced primogenitor; He left everything to the eldest son. The eldest son was then expected to divide the inheritance among the 8 children, 4 sons and 4 daughters equally, along with their mother. The first born was a daughter. Yet, my grandfather left his entire estate to the 2nd born, the eldest son.

In Numbers 36:2, the daughters were not automatically given the inheritance from their father in keeping with the custom. Yet, they were given the inheritance. This parallels the New Testament, that simultaneously says in Christ, there is no male and female AND a wife must submit to her husband.

As my grandfather's complicated estate and inheritance was processed, I recall 3 brother's making all the decisions: my father, who was the 3rd born; his younger brother who was 5th born, and the primogenitor. The baby boy was excluded, their mother and all the sisters. In my view, the first born, oldest sister should have also been included in the decision-making as I considered her to be of sound mind. The same possibly of the 2nd oldest daughter. The others? Faaaaaaghetabout!

I recall the primogenitor having family meeting at my house with the trustees and at times, with all the siblings. The meetings with the trustees were calm, quiet and orderly. The family meetings with all the beneficiaries was contentious, loud and bitter. (Perhaps that is why my uncle excluded the 2 sisters who otherwise, were of sound mind; they were contentious troublemakers.)

My grandmother, the baby of the family and the 4th born were provided for via trustees. My father was the trustee for their mother. The 5th born for the baby boy of the family. The primogenitor was the trustee for the sister who had several mental breakdowns and was frequently institutionalized.

This was a very wise move on the oldest uncle's part. The brother's were able to divide the burden of caring for their respective beneficiary. The trustees got ample grief from the irresponsible, not quite mentally sound beneficiaries over the years, who just wanted to blow it all on one harebrained scheme after another. Clearly, the daughters of Zelophehad were deemed competent and justice was done for them.

When it came time for me to establish my Living Will, I set up a board of trustees. My wife was the only one who was both, a trustee and a beneficiary. The other trustees were 4 close friends: one was good with money; another was very spiritual; 2 were good peacemakers and had a lot of common sense. In meeting with these 4, the one good with money anticipated my wife being angry if they did not agree to spending money they way she wanted, who would be caring for the other beneficiaries, my daughter and stepdaughter.

I explained that is why I gave each trustee 1 vote and they could over-rule her. While she was generally good with money, she had a history of blowing any windfall she got. I doubt my family experience is unique as the OT text affirms women are the protected sex.

 

[Wrangler]

Glad to see more posts. Had my son yesterday. He's rather small at 7lbs 4oz. I love holding and looking at him.

Pics??!! Congrats. Glad to see you posting.

 

[Wynona]

Adding a newborn son to our family has taught me so much.

Ive felt so tired, weak, and helpless from pregnancy and labor. Ive never been so grateful to have support and the strength of others in my entire life.

We were made to need help and depend on each other. Life is too hard and too cruel to do everything alone.

 

[Skovand]

"Strength and Honor are her clothing
she shall rejoice in time to come..."

The woman of Proverbs 31 is being praised. But her way of life is insulted today. In the United States and other western nations, feminism's mission to get women focused away from homes has been a big success.

From the late 1800s first wave of the movement till now, feminism was never simply about equal rights for men and women. Many leading feminists say that the option for women to be homemakers ought not to be an option at all in order for progress to happen.

Getting women away from homes is the true goal along with getting rid of patriarchy. No father or husband rule.

This is now the air we breathe. Many dont question it anymore. With the options women have now, you might expect us to be happier and more fulfilled than ever before...are we?

This thread's goal is to discuss these things, to promote Scripture's values, and to share my story of leaving feminism behind completely to pursue a very old and often misunderstood way of living.

I want the men to share freely. A lot of you have your own experiences with feminism and Scripture. Please share them. Ill be sharing over time here and there.

Feminism is not about getting women away from the home, it’s about making sure women have equal opportunities to do so if they want. So you can choose to be a stay at home woman instead of it being the only choice you have.

 

[MA2444]

Feminism is not about getting women away from the home, it’s about making sure women have equal opportunities to do so if they want. So you can choose to be a stay at home woman instead of it being the only choice you have.

You a Feminist too Huh?! That doesnt surprise me. Suffice it to say you are way off base with feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism is ... about making sure women have equal opportunities to do so if they want.

Do men have equal opportunities to choose to stay home and have their wife make enough money for him to live the life style he wants? Clearly, equality feminist style is one way equality, which is no kind of equality at all.

 

[amigo de christo]

Glad to see more posts. Had my son yesterday. He's rather small at 7lbs 4oz. I love holding and looking at him.

i was only three pounds and ten ounces sister at a mere fifteen inches long at birth . a premie dear sister .
March onwards in the glorious LORD sister .

 

[Wynona]

i was only three pounds and ten ounces sister at a mere fifteen inches long at birth . a premie dear sister .
March onwards in the glorious LORD sister .

I can only imagine how nervous your mother wouldve been!

 

[Wynona]

Feminism is not about getting women away from the home, it’s about making sure women have equal opportunities to do so if they want. So you can choose to be a stay at home woman instead of it being the only choice you have.

Many front runner feminists (Betty Friedan, Simone de Beauvoir) worked very hard to persuade women that they ought to compete with men in the workforce in order to avoid giving men too much power and control over them.

The feminist movement is not about giving equal opportunities for women. It is about dismantling patriarchy aka father-rule. The major problem with feminism is that it empowers neither men or women. It just increases people's reliance on the government.

Relying on the government for food, housing, education, and divorce rulings all increased in the 1960's as feminism gained more influence. It is not a pro-woman movement. It's a pro-state movement.

Women have always contributed value outside their homes before feminism. They volunteered, organized events for their communities, were in clubs, and all kinds of organized work on top of raising healthy families.

It is feminism that denies this is worth as much as competing with men in work, preaching, and combat. In order to beat patriarchy, traditional masculine roles have to be filled by women. That's why the honest ones don't pretend they respect homemaking as a valid choice for women. Most feminists actively disdain that choice openly and loudly.

In contrast, the Bible says married women are to be keepers at home, focused on loving their husbands and children so the Word of God is not blasphemed (Titus 2:3-5).

Feminism can't go with Christianity because the Bible supports husbands and fathers being in charge of their homes and leading their wives. Feminism is about overthrowing this.