In this long thread, we are discussing the Biblical evidence for inequality, generally, and specifically, inequality between husbands and wives. @VictoryinJesus is asserting that the terms "wife" is interchangeable with "husband" so any statement about one ought to be interpretted as applying to both.
You misunderstood or I haven’t been clear if your take away is that I’m asserting that the terms wife is interchangeable with husband.
Ephesians 4:13-14
until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, [14] so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.
To clarify …I’ve asked before if that includes women also as growing up unto a mature man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
My husband asked this question at work and some men said “no, it only includes the men.” I can’t remember if I’ve asked you
@Wrangler. I think maybe I did and you said yes, of course it includes women.” Correct me if I’m wrong. Whoever I asked though said
it does include women in the fullness of Christ. Their reasoning was to the full measure of Christ is
singular where the Proverbs 31 woman is not singular. But the Proverbs 31
woman is singular …it’s not the proverbs 31
women.
To clarify. In numbers I see two women. One brings forth sin unto death. As Eve with Adam. She (the woman) thought to have gone aside from the Lord and had lain with another man. If she is guilty, she drinks of the bitter water and her thigh rots and her belly swells. If she is guilty she is called the adulterous Woman. Paul connects this to Romans 7. Speaking straightforward about the adulterous Woman, married to the World of sin unto death. Bringing forth sin unto death. Where if she fails in any part of the Law, she fails in the whole law. Being called “Guilty”! From a site where others talk about why they think God is sexist:
TRIGGER WARNING
God disses Jerusalem..
Of course Jerusalem is a woman …(see they say the same thing as you do wrangler, missing that under the bold header “whorish woman” is all (men and women)who go after idols, after another bearing sin unto death. Ezekiel 16:30 How weak is your heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing you do all these things,
the work of an imperious whorish woman; (<is this the Proverbs 31 woman?)
Don’t touch menstruating women, thats in the torah too, but here it is some more Ezekiel 18:6 And has not eaten upon the mountains,
neither has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither has defiled his neighbour's wife, neither has come near to a menstruous woman
God disses again by comparing with a menstruating woman Ezekiel 36:17-18 “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions.
Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because
they had defiled it with their idols.
^no disputing men and women alike are in Jerusalem, don’t downplay as figurative language to soften the comparison of men and women alike …who “all” have gone astray after another —-We All are like sheep who have gone astray. That is not simplified as I’m suggesting husband and wives are interchangeable. It’s what it is. In fact considering most of the focus of Jerusalem at the time of comparing
Her unto an adulterous wife were men, yes including men who were most likely accusing their own wives of adultery or as being whoreish…the primary audience of Jerusalem were men in what they accused the wives of, they are guilty of before God
in going astray after another. Again, for we all are like sheep gone astray.
Bearing fruit of sin unto death.
If you want to call it interchanging the terms husband and wife, I’m not the one who wrote the Bible.
But the good news is returning to the bishop of our souls. The good Shepherd, who doesn’t abandon His sheep but cares for His sheep(His body). He is no hireling. For the hireling flees.
Second part of Numbers 5. Strangely the part
you never focus on @wranger. It’s telling to me that you go immediately to the woman who is guilty and bears fruit of sin unto death…in your version( translation used) her uterus drops. She is your reason for inequality. You don’t point out the woman who is clean, not called an adulterous woman, bearing fruit …I mean she overcomes the law of jealousies pronounced “clean” “not guilty” of going after another (which Paul includes in Romans) but if her husband be dead—she is free to marry another, even him who raised from the dead, to (be saved though) childbearing unto God. (By the body of Christ). You don’t point this woman out for your reason for inequality but instead you point out the adulterous woman.
What I saw in Numbers five late one night is Jesus Christ sweating blood in the garden asking to not drink of the cup of bitterness, let it (the cup) pass from Me, Father. We would all be the adulterous woman who went astray if not for Jesus Christ stepping into the place to drink of the cup of bitterness. I saw Him take of the cup that was mine to drink(for I have gone astray after another), otherwise I would not be pronounced clean. Instead I would be sweating drinking of the cup. Him who knew no sin, being made an “earthen vessel” became weak so we could be made strong. Made like unto the likeness of sinful flesh, yet without sin. Not disputing He drank of the cup of the law of Jealousies when a wife has gone astray after another and since He begged not to drink but “submitted” unto the Father “Not My Will, but your Will be done Father” now a way is opened back unto the bishop of our souls through “obedience unto Righteousness” which Fruit (childbearing) is of and by Christ. Who unlike all the husbands before him of the Woman by the Well, who all
were not her husbands, He said unto the Woman by the Well, if you would ask of Me, “I would give unto you LIVING water”
Second part of Numbers 5, if the Woman has not gone astray after another but be called no adulterous Woman —-see she is called
Clean —-she conceives and bears Fruit unto God. It is through the Fruit Bourne of God the Woman is saved through childbearing. It is through childbearing unto God. Paul included, who Bourne Fruit—children unto God, raising the dead up in Christ unto Life …without any mention of glorifying God through sexual relations towards childbearing. in fact God
gives the increase (one sows, another plants, God gives the increase) (this sowing, this planting is not sexual, to bear increase of “childbearing” whereby the woman is saved, where many were added and God increased. Galatians 1:20-24 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. [21] Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia; [22] And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ: [23] But they had heard only,
That he which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith which once he destroyed. [24] And they glorified God in me.
Romans 7 maps out the same as Numbers 5.
Married unto the world.
Or married, returned unto God, restored, reconciled called no more an adulterous Woman …no more “menstrual rags” for the Fruits of Christ are good…peace, love, forgiveness, long suffering, ….obedience unto Righteousness. Notice Eve was deceived …but the body joined to Christ is no longer deceived. Be you sober minded. For God has given unto you the Spirit of love, of power and of a sound mind. In Romans seven also…Paul speaks to “brethren” by the body of Christ you are free from the adulterous woman, from menstrual rags, you brothers are free to bring forth “childbearing” unto God. If I interchange wife and husband …then are you saying God interchanges them because Jerusalem going after idols, filled up of men also, not only the women …are referred to the adulterous “wife”. And there is only one way she is called no more the adulterous “wife” which is through Christ who drank of the bitter Water to overcome sin unto death of the deceived Woman.
Concerning Proverbs 31. No doubt every one will agree she bears good things. I mean
all women are told and instructed
to strive to be the Proverbs 31 Woman. her childbearing is good, correct? There is only one way that is so, the Proverbs Woman can’t be the adulterous woman whose rags are fifty menstrual rags. She has to be of God,
a work of God. No more called an adulterous Woman. There is only one way that is so. someone stepped into the the law of jealousies when a woman has gone aside after another, being accused of such she is given the bitter water to drink that contains the curse. Who overcomes the curse? Or is the Woman made clean, conceives, and bears fruit …only the women folk excluding the men? “brethren” Paul obviously directs this “figurative language”? in Romans 7 … and elsewhere to “brothers” “
you are of the Free Woman” and not of “the Bond Woman”
Corrected now. Sorry for all the typos.
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