Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[VictoryinJesus]

This is a contradiction. Pick one:
A. A Bible verse can be both, figurative and Spiritual.
B. A Bible verse can NOT be both, figurative and Spiritual.

I don’t view it that way so I can’t answer your question. I view verses as either literal pertaining to the things of this world. Or Spiritual pertaining to things of the Spirit. You want me to fit it into your box. That is not how my mind works.

No. Such a proposal lacks discernment. The whole Bible is Spiritual. Some is literal. Some is figurative.

For example. Healing. Such a proposal that healing is Physical or Spiritual lacks discernment. Is this what you mean? If I understood you correctly you are saying all healing is Spiritual. But there is literal healing. And figurative healing. Again…why not call Spirit what it is Spiritual? To me this constant assertion of some literal. Some figurative. Yet you want me to pick one: A) a Bible verse can be both, figurative and literal.
Or B) a bible verse can Not be both figurative and literal. ….Some literal. Some figurative. All spiritual. Yet He said the carnal mind is enmity against God. Why did He tell them you speak of earthly things, but I speak to you of heavenly things. I’m not going to check your boxes @wranger. It sounds like manipulation of the terms, so much so that I have no idea what you’re presenting. I understand literal or Spiritual. I don’t understand your presentation…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There are no women in Numbers 5.

Before feminism, the English language embraced sex to speak generally. The feminine was a THING of value. The masculine is a call to ACTION.

The Bible does this in referrring to the capital of Jacob as a THING of value. I do it regarding dinner and my wife has embraced the language usage. I tell her, "Dinner, she's ready."


It's totally figurative language!

Of course, the genus of human being's is that they are alike. Feminist demands an abdication of discernment. We are not equal even if we have 90 out of 100 things the same. We are unequal because of 10 out of 100 things. It's really simple.


Totally wrong. The reason Numbers 5 demonstrates Biblical inequality is that there is not an analagous passage regarding husbands. (I've said this numerous times).

It's not about a woman who is innocent or a woman who is guilty. It's that such a scenario is not anywhere in Scripture where the husband is accused by his wife, must be tested and may receive divine punishsment if guilty.

I did my best to share why Numbers 5, Romans 7, and the Proverbs Woman is important to me. Out of all I shared you don’t see what Jesus Christ has done for Her to be called no more the adulterous woman. You didn’t even pay attention to that part. Any mention of Christ as the one who is why the woman is called no more an adulterous woman, being clean, she conceived and bears fruit. That part is of now interest…going back to the same “where does it speak of husbands”. It goes back to why there is inequality. It goes back to feminism because feminism dominates the mind. There is one thing and one thing on the mind. And it sees nothing else.

You asked me how I have overcome feminism. It’s in the mind. It is the thoughts. Important “be not conformed unto this world but be you transformed by the renewing of the Mind”. Here I was reading Numbers five for a long time. It didn’t happen over night. I’m sitting talking to God saying this is like some satanic ritual. It’s demeaning of women. Why are you a tyrant God. Why do you hate women so much. I was offended. I hated hearing men refer to women as the weaker vessel because I was also taught that was a vessel of dishonor until I paid attention to ‘we carry this treasure in an weak earthen vessel, that the power be of God and NOT men’. I had heard that weaker vessel so many times thrown at me as if it’s a shame to be the weaker vessel. Overcome feminism? I’m not afraid to be weak, for when I am weak I am strong. Imagine my cursing God calling Him this and that and then late one night I see Christ drinking of the bitter water in my place so I can be called no more an adulterous woman but clean. It’s not only to women. We all are of sin unto death until released from sin unto death, pronounced clean, free to bear fruit unto God. Being against God, or reconciled by the body of Christ. You asked how I’ve overcome feminism …I didn’t. God does it. I can tell you that when I saw Christ in Number 5 I knew all my accusations against God was false. I bawled like a baby. Now I’m here talking to you about Numbers 5, the very thing I hated.

You are not going to consider it though. Maybe someone else reading it will. I was genuine in what I shared with you above about what I see in the Law of Jealousies when a woman has gone astray …

 

[Wrangler]

That is not how my mind works.

Indeed.

I’ll withdraw from your struggle with literal and figurative language usage. I have it the old college try. Carry on with your false dichotomies and embrace of contradictions.

 

[Wrangler]

Of course, the genus of human being's is that they are alike. Feminist demands an abdication of discernment. We are not equal even if we have 90 out of 100 things the same. We are unequal because of 10 out of 100 things. It's really simple.

I was genius in what I shared with you above

Two words are not the same one word. They do not have equal meaning.

1. Genus
2. Genius

Look it up.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Two words are not the same one word. They do not have equal meaning.

1. Genus
2. Genius

Look it up.

The word I meant to use is genuine. Neither of the two above. I only meant it does mean something to me. And I genuinely tried my best to clarify to you what it means to me. Please don’t come back with objective whatever…

 

[MA2444]

You don't speak for ALL men. You don't even speak for all GODLY men. Thank Goodness. Some men, Godly or not, actually have higher standards for themselves than merely wanting a woman to be pleasant and make a good sandwich.

Ok I was speaking for me, a man. So what? Am I asking too much from the poor girl to be pleasant and can cook or make a nice sandwich? Lol!

Besides, in THIS day and age, so many men want a woman who WORKS outside the home. They DO share in household responsibilities.

Oh yeah, Oh yeah? Well back in mid 80's when I was married, I told her that she never had to work. Becaause I am the man and pay everything. If she chose to work outsdie the house later on at any point, that she could keep that money as hers. Her working doesnt relieve me from my own responsibility.

And she did eventually so I stuck to it. I'd catch her n payday and ask her if she had a good week? SHe'd answer slowly, yees. (because she thought I was going to ask for money!) and then I'd say, Good! Me too! Here have some cash, share the wealth, and hand her $1000 or $1500.

Now of course over time I wound up being short on making bill money at times. It happens. And I never did ask her to pitch in, since she still kept my books and payed the bills, she could see what the shortage was and she wouldnt bat an eye and just chip in and help with her money without me asking. When that girl was on my side, it was like that.

I cant speak for all these young guys who say hey go get a job. Things are a lot more expensive now. But that's how it was then, no matter what you think, lol.

You going to tell THOSE men that they're 'wrong'?

I could make a good case for them being wrong, but it's their life and their wife and none of my business. Besides, I aint in control of the market and you know that so you're just being snotty now, lol.

 

[Wynona]

The latest post on my blog describes the worst moment of my life---having to tell my husband I dated another guy--and what happened afterward.

I'm happy to share it here because it explains the event that caused my break from our feminist culture.

That Time I Dated Another Man... Then Everything Changed

All my things were packed in the backseat and trunk of a four-wheel sedan.

open.substack.com

 

[Wrangler]

The word I meant to use is genuine. Neither of the two above. I only meant it does mean something to me. And I genuinely tried my best to clarify to you what it means to me. Please don’t come back with objective whatever…

OK. I'll come back with subjective whatever (to me). Although we speak the same words, we speak different languages. I speak English. You speak womanese. See vids below for a better understanding of womanese culture and for English translation regarding spicy time, banana, the primary purpose of dating is to create content for social media, etc.

 

[Wrangler]

The latest post on my blog describes the worst moment of my life---having to tell my husband I dated another guy--and what happened afterward.

I'm happy to share it here because it explains the event that caused my break from our feminist culture.

That Time I Dated Another Man... Then Everything Changed

All my things were packed in the backseat and trunk of a four-wheel sedan.

open.substack.com

Excerpt from your blog
Had I simply acted entitled and demanded my husband let things go and forgive me at any point, that deep well of shame would not have been able to transform me as it did. ... Only by humbly admitting how much I needed to change and no longer pointing any more fingers at my husband, was I able to receive God's Word and truly live to reap the blessings of following it.

Humility and Camp Take Responsibility are at odds with feminism.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

OK. I'll come back with subjective whatever (to me). Although we speak the same words, we speak different languages. I speak English. You speak womanese. See vids below for a better understanding of womanese culture and for English translation regarding spicy time, banana, the primary purpose of dating is to create content for social media, etc.

Thankfully it’s not letting me watch the YouTube videos without signing in. I could go through the trouble but I no longer want to be your friend.

 

[Wrangler]

Thankfully it’s not letting me watch the YouTube videos without signing in. I could go through the trouble but I no longer want to be your friend.

Understood. Feminism 101: it’s all about what YOU and what YOU want.

Not sure you ever answered the question of how you triumphed over feminism. I won’t hold my breath.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Understood. Feminism 101: it’s all about what YOU and what YOU want.

Not sure you ever answered the question of how you triumphed over feminism. I won’t hold my breath.

Don’t hold your breath.

 

[Wrangler]

Devotional reading of Numbers 15 today revealed more Biblical inequality. v 11 & 24 specifify male lamb and goat to be sacrificed. V27 specifies a female goat. I don't really understand the difference between a burnt offering, grain offering from an unintentional sin offering but there it is.

I know the @VictoryinJesus's of the world want to disregard the literal word of God in applying these specifications to the opposite of what they specify. At some point, that's a little silly.

 

[Wrangler]

Great vid on inequality feminists want. They claim "prison is not working for women" to rationalize putting women in prison less. How come the focus is on women and not men? Preferred sexism.

A female guard slept with a prisoner, became pregnant and smuggled drugs into prison. But because she "is a mother of 2," nothing criminally happened to her (besides getting fired). Can you imagine a man doing this and getting away with it, i.e., not being put in prison himself? She was deemed by the court psychologist that she was "emotionally vulnerable." Not a member of Camp Take Responsibility.

 

[Wynona]

The women in my family are strong and beautiful. I care about them a great deal but I noticed that the married ones who took on the burden of leadership in their marriages suffered for it, including my Mom. Those unmarried pursued independence but seemed unhappy with that as well.

My Mom didn't head the family just to be some boss babe. She felt she must have a career and lead us in order to give us a great start in life. But I saw the physical and mental strain this put on her. I saw that she honestly resented it at times.

We are tempted as women to envy the respect that men get. But are we willing to put up with as much crap as they do without putting the burden of leadership down? And if we are, is it worth the toll it takes on our minds and bodies?

The burden of leading the family wasn't always this great thing for my Mom and I saw this. Nor did financial independence or success salvage the lonely childlessness of many other women in my family.

The reality is that sometimes you want things not to be all on you all the time. But often, women can't. This is not how God wanted us to live. While it may be necessary at times, God's best will always be that women are sacrificially lead and are protected by a man they can trust.

 

[Mink57]

The women in my family are strong and beautiful. I care about them a great deal but I noticed that the married ones who took on the burden of leadership in their marriages suffered for it, including my Mom. Those unmarried pursued independence but seemed unhappy with that as well.

Seeming to be unhappy isn't the same thing as BEING unhappy. Plus, there could be a myriad of reasons why they were unhappy that had nothing to do with independence or leading in their marriages.

My Mom didn't head the family just to be some boss babe. She felt she must have a career and lead us in order to give us a great start in life. But I saw the physical and mental strain this put on her. I saw that she honestly resented it at times.

Did she actually TELL you this or are you making your own conclusions based on your own convictions?

We are tempted as women to envy the respect that men get.

As a woman, are you envying the respect that men get?

You have complained about how women who choose to be homemakers aren't getting the respect that you think they deserve, for making that choice. While women now have the legal choice to be a homemaker, there's no guarantee that they'll be respected for doing so. And it's like that with every other job a woman takes on. Even if she works in the typical female dominated professions, it doesn't necessarily mean she'll be respected for being there.

Yes, Wynona. YOU want respect for your profession. For your choice of profession. Maybe not the same respect as your husband would get, but respect, nonetheless. The respect you deserve is not lesser than the respect your husband would get, or that a female CEO should get.

But are we willing to put up with as much crap as they do without putting the burden of leadership down? And if we are, is it worth the toll it takes on our minds and bodies?

Who says 'we' don't put up with as much crap as 'they' do?

The burden of leading the family wasn't always this great thing for my Mom and I saw this. Nor did financial independence or success salvage the lonely childlessness of many other women in my family.

The reality is that sometimes you want things not to be all on you all the time.

Many men feel the same way. Many don't want ALL the financial burden put on them or ALL of the leadership responsibility to be put on them or even ALL of the 'asking a woman out' to be put on them. I've heard from men in relationship forums for the past 25 years, and believe me...many men feel OVERWHELMED by the perceived expectations of 'society'. Some men simply aren't equipped to be leaders, even in their own homes.

But often, women can't. This is not how God wanted us to live. While it may be necessary at times, God's best will always be that women are sacrificially lead and are protected by a man they can trust.

Well, if it's "necessary" sometimes, isn't THAT God's will? Plenty of women out there can't find a man, even though they may want one. That may be God's will, too. And even if they DO find a man, it doesn't mean that the man they find WANTS to be the leader, a provider or a protector. Is that God's will too?

 

[Wynona]

As a woman, are you envying the respect that men get?

You have complained about how women who choose to be homemakers aren't getting the respect that you think they deserve, for making that choice. While women now have the legal choice to be a homemaker, there's no guarantee that they'll be respected for doing so. And it's like that with every other job a woman takes on. Even if she works in the typical female dominated professions, it doesn't necessarily mean she'll be respected for being there.

Just thinking through, I don't think desiring homemakers to be respected is the same as envying the respect men get. As much as I see running a household as respectable I don't agree with Oprah"s sentiment that motherhood is the hardest job there is. What my husband does as a trucker or the men who fix power lines is tougher than homemaking. They deserve the respect in accordance to that risk and sacrifice for their families and the common good.

To respect a man is not to disrespect myself or my own contribution. It is just an acknowledgement of credit and the proper order of things.

By the way, know I appreciate you posting cause you would not beLIEVE how hard it is to hit the quote button on a smartphone.

Who says 'we' don't put up with as much crap as 'they' do?

Me. Since when do women put up with as much hardship as men?

Many men feel the same way. Many don't want ALL the financial burden put on them or ALL of the leadership responsibility to be put on them or even ALL of the 'asking a woman out' to be put on them. I've heard from men in relationship forums for the past 25 years, and believe me...many men feel OVERWHELMED by the perceived expectations of 'society'. Some men simply aren't equipped to be leaders, even in their own homes.

It ain't easy. Its respected because of how hard it is yet still often needs to be done regardless of how anyone feels.

Well, if it's "necessary" sometimes, isn't THAT God's will? Plenty of women out there can't find a man, even though they may want one. That may be God's will, too. And even if they DO find a man, it doesn't mean that the man they find WANTS to be the leader, a provider or a protector. Is that God's will too?

A deep question but I don't think everything that happens is what God wants. I believe God allows us to make choices that He doesn't want because He wants us to voluntarily serve Him, not control us like little robots. His will prevails but what He allows and what He desires can be very different.

 

[Mink57]

Just thinking through, I don't think desiring homemakers to be respected is the same as envying the respect men get. As much as I see running a household as respectable I don't agree with Oprah"s sentiment that motherhood is the hardest job there is. What my husband does as a trucker or the men who fix power lines is tougher than homemaking. They deserve the respect in accordance to that risk and sacrifice for their families and the common good.

To respect a man is not to disrespect myself or my own contribution. It is just an acknowledgement of credit and the proper order of things.

No, they don't.

Respect comes in various types: Self-respect, respect for others, respect for social norms, nature, the environment, culture, values, laws, and family. Just because a man works at a dangerous job doesn't mean he deserves OVERALL respect. A man who works on an oil rig doesn't necessarily deserve more respect than a man who pushes papers across a desk for a living.

A man may work at a dangerous job all day, but if on his way home, he runs through traffic lights, hits a dog and doesn't care, throws trash out the car window, gets home and screams at his kids and beats on his wife...are you still going to respect him because of his job?

Some men DO tie up their identity with their job. And, they believe they deserve automatic OVERALL respect because of what they do for a living.

By the way, know I appreciate you posting cause you would not beLIEVE how hard it is to hit the quote button on a smartphone.

I don't have a smart phone, but I know what you mean! I avoid posting on it like the plague. Tried it once. Nope, nope...just nope!

Me. Since when do women put up with as much hardship as men?

Has nothing to do with women's hardships vs. men's hardships. Hardship, like respect, comes in various forms. What may be a hardship for a man might be a piece of cake for a different man, or even a woman. So, it depends on the individual.

It ain't easy. Its respected because of how hard it is yet still often needs to be done regardless of how anyone feels.

Not buying that. A leader has the ability to delegate. Ain't that hard.

A deep question but I don't think everything that happens is what God wants.

I agree. Otherwise, there would be no such thing as sin.

I believe God allows us to make choices that He doesn't want because He wants us to voluntarily serve Him, not control us like little robots. His will prevails but what He allows and what He desires can be very different.

Yes, absolutely agree on these points.

 

[Wynona]

Not buying that. A leader has the ability to delegate. Ain't that hard.

I thought you said many men don't want to live up to society's expectations because it's too much.

It takes time, experience, and trial and error to delegate well for good results. Leadership is hard because when things go wrong, it's the leader who is to blame, not those following the lead. The leader has to put the outcome of those he leads ahead of his individual interests to be successful. Often first to go without fun and treats, last to get what he wants if that's what it takes for the group being successful.

Just like I was unprepared to run a household and was terrible at it for a while, leadership is a skillset that my husband had to get better at through practice. It's not easy at all.

 

[Wrangler]

Many men feel the same way. Many don't want ALL the financial burden put on them or ALL of the leadership responsibility to be put on them or even ALL of the 'asking a woman out' to be put on them. I've heard from men in relationship forums for the past 25 years, and believe me...many men feel OVERWHELMED by the perceived expectations of 'society'.

It's amazing that you are still sticking to the SOME -v ALL mentality. It limits your world view.

Some men simply aren't equipped to be leaders, even in their own homes.

While that is your opinion, it is an assessment that goes against God's Will.

I doubt you have much experience being a leader. It's not about how "equiped" one is. Rather it is DMC, decision-making control and recognizing who on the team is best able to carry out a mission. It's about judgment and you, the follower, must humbly accept that "the call" may not always work out as intended. Let me give an example.

Suppose there are 2 wars that need to be fought. On a scale of 1-5; 5 being best, here is the rating of the team:

• Me: 3, 3
• Wife: 1, 5

NOTE: Our capabiltiies both add up to 6. For both wars, I'm middle of the road. However, in fighting the 2nd war, my wife is top notch but cannot handle the 1st war at all. The best scenario is she handles what she handles best and I go after what's left. Funny how feminists claim to want equality but also point out how the women are better (where they are).