Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Ritajanice]

You left this part out,this is how I was Born Of The Spirit.

By divine heart revelation ,just as his word says below .

“So it is with everyone born of the Spirit”

John 3:1-21​

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New International Version​

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Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit

 

[Scott Downey]

I refer you back to the multiple passages that you have ducked around above in order to sustain your viewpoint.

Same back at you bro. It is you view, I am being specific. You will not find 'spiritual resurrection' used together in scripture.
All you got is an interpretation of scripture that you are pushing.

 

[WPM]

Ah, I have noticed your bully behavior from the very first post in your thread.

Avoidance and insults do nothing to promote your argument.

 

[Ritajanice]

Regeneration, is a spiritual act of God, it comes by divine heart revelation .

Born Of Gods seed ,is a supernatural event...one you will never forget.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children/ Born Again...

That comes by divine heart revelation,direct,Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[Scott Downey]

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: spiritual resurrection

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Zero results when searching in scripture for 'spiritual resurrection'

Those words have to be contrived out of scripture to create a meaning.

 

[Scott Downey]

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: resurrection

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The word 'resurrection brings up 51 verses, and read all of them for context to see for yourself .

 

[WPM]

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: spiritual resurrection

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Zero results when searching in scripture for 'spiritual resurrection'

Those words have to be contrived out of scripture to create a meaning.

I give you the different passages that teach spiritual resurrection, and you avoided them all. You have to. They destroy your argument.

All you have now is avoidance and insults.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You obviously have nothing. Acts 2 does not support your thesis. I suspect you know that. Nothing you highlighted supports your claims.

The basis of my beliefs are not based on what I was taught in Church but what i was taught in Scripture.

A person is NOT a Christian unless they have been baptized by the Spirit. The Spirit lives in us and that all began at Pentecost!
Evidently, you went to the wrong church. I always hit this wall with Preterists ... and it is a futile conversation. I never expected to convince you, it is more for the benefit of others who just might be swayed by your false doctrines. And so with that, bye, see you in the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Scott Downey]

I give you the different passages that teach spiritual resurrection, and you avoided them all. You have to. They destroy your argument.

All you have now is avoidance and insults.

You're pushing a theme saying resurrection is spiritual, but that is modernizing the scripture.
I can't quite say you are adding on to scripture, but if you're sticking with how resurrection the word is scripturally used in the verses, it is always raising dead bodies,

otherwise your making it up.

 

[WPM]

You're pushing a theme saying resurrection is spiritual, but that is modernizing the scripture.
I can't quite say you are adding on to scripture, but if you're sticking with how resurrection the word is scripturally used in the verses, it is always raising dead bodies,

otherwise your making it up.

Were you spiritually dead before salvation?

 

[Scott Downey]

A person is NOT a Christian unless they have been baptized by the Spirit. The Spirit lives in us and that all began at Pentecost!
Evidently, you went to the wrong church. I always hit this wall with Preterists ... and it is a futile conversation. I never expected to convince you, it is more for the benefit of others who just might be swayed by your false doctrines. And so with that, bye, see you in the Millennial Kingdom.

I am definitely not preterist myself, preterist come in various strengths, like full and partial.
Full preterists believe Revelation has no future fulfillment, it is all over and done.
Believe we live in the New earth and New heavens.
So when they read prophesy there is nothing left to happen.
Sad.

 

[WPM]

A person is NOT a Christian unless they have been baptized by the Spirit. The Spirit lives in us and that all began at Pentecost!
Evidently, you went to the wrong church. I always hit this wall with Preterists ... and it is a futile conversation. I never expected to convince you, it is more for the benefit of others who just might be swayed by your false doctrines. And so with that, bye, see you in the Millennial Kingdom.

I am not Preterist. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is power for service. The disciples were born again of the Spirit before Pentecost. Check John 3. I have showed multiple proof that the "Church" has been ongoing for centuries even before the first Advent. You have no rebuttal for that. That is because it is a fact.

 

[Scott Downey]

Were you spiritually dead before salvation?

yes, but I was not resurrected, I was regenerated in the spirit by the Spirit of God, as in born again, through the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit. I still have my old body.

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary.

Is regeneration the same as resurrection?
In the Bible, the resurrection of the soul from spiritual deadness (being dead in sin and dead to God) is called, “regeneration.”Regeneration is a work of the Holy Spirit, in the soul (heart and mind) of a person to whom the Spirit is sent by God the Father and God the Son (Jn 14:17, 26; 15:26)

 

[Scott Downey]

A new creation is not a resurrection of any kind.
My old spirit is GONE, I got a new spirit, the old one is gone away, and all things are become new.
Resurrection implies something of the original being is still there. The only thing that matters is a new creation.

16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not [d]imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

 

[WPM]

yes, but I was not resurrected, I was regenerated in the spirit by the Spirit of God, as in born again, through the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit. I still have my old body.

How is a human brought from death to life?

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 6:1-11

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Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ​

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin;how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Scott Downey]

How is a human brought from death to life?

We have no part in the new creation. God does that for us according to His particular will
John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

We do however receive Him, but we must first be born of God to become spiritually minded and believe as He taught us to believe in Christ.
Even your belief God grants to you.

John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

2 Corinthians 4:16-18

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16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Scott Downey]

Example and there are many others
Philippians 1

27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.

29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.